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sc8581 · Post #1021 » by **sc8581** » Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:56 pm

I still would have traded the pick for MKG or Batum

mattao313 · Post #1022 » by **mattao313** » Sun Nov 29, 2015 3:12 pm

sc8581 wrote:I still would have traded the pick for MKG or Batum

MKG? he can't even play a full season.

mattao313 · Post #1023 » by **mattao313** » Sun Nov 29, 2015 3:55 pm

princeofpalace wrote:
Blkbrd671 wrote:
Phenomenonsense wrote:
It's a little hard to see. I mean, I don't watch as many Miami games as you do apparently, but their numbers are remarkably similar except for the fact that Johnson plays 8 less minutes per game.

The biggest different is Detroit ask SJ to be one of the sparks off the bench, we make it a point to put him in the PnR , whereas JW at this point can't effectively put the ball on the floor , post up, or score. They ask JW to defend and get hustle points with the occasional jumper because thats pretty much all he can do, where as SJ can run the point, post up, etc. Its very easy to make a case for JW without context which are pretty much everyone who ranks jw ahead of sj. Also all this talk about his premier defense, reminding me of MKG. You can be a great defender when your not asked to do anything offensively

Eh. SVG asked SJ to focus on defense and rebounding. Instead, SJ tries to force his offensive game and often takes bad shots that are outside the flow of the offense. When you stop being biased its easy to see why the guy putting on 7points/5 boards on 46% FG in 29mpg with elite defense is considered as having the better season than the guy putting up 7 points/4 boards on 37% FG in 20mpg.

One has a 22 USG% the other has 13 USG% doesn't seem fair to compare the two.

Phenomenonsense · Post #1024 » by **Phenomenonsense** » Sun Nov 29, 2015 5:24 pm

princeofpalace wrote:
Blkbrd671 wrote:
Phenomenonsense wrote:
It's a little hard to see. I mean, I don't watch as many Miami games as you do apparently, but their numbers are remarkably similar except for the fact that Johnson plays 8 less minutes per game.

The biggest different is Detroit ask SJ to be one of the sparks off the bench, we make it a point to put him in the PnR , whereas JW at this point can't effectively put the ball on the floor , post up, or score. They ask JW to defend and get hustle points with the occasional jumper because thats pretty much all he can do, where as SJ can run the point, post up, etc. Its very easy to make a case for JW without context which are pretty much everyone who ranks jw ahead of sj. Also all this talk about his premier defense, reminding me of MKG. You can be a great defender when your not asked to do anything offensively

Eh. SVG asked SJ to focus on defense and rebounding. Instead, SJ tries to force his offensive game and often takes bad shots that are outside the flow of the offense. When you stop being biased its easy to see why the guy putting on 7points/5 boards on 46% FG in 29mpg with elite defense is considered as having the better season than the guy putting up 7 points/4 boards on 37% FG in 20mpg.

Elite defense? Again, you'll have to excuse me for not watching nearly as many Miami games as you have (which I hope you've watched at least 10 to be able to say he has ELITE defense). You have to think about who Stanley has been playing with as well as who Winslow has been playing with. I mean, honestly, if you're playing 29 minutes a game then you're playing with some starters, presumably more often than a 20mpg person.

I will say that Stanley has played pretty poorly to start the season, he is a rookie after all, and if I were to judge Winslow's numbers I would say he's playing "better" by default. But easily is a stretch. And SJ has to try and force some offense. He's playing on a bench that cannot score to save it's life half the time, so he gets frustrated and tries to do too much at this point. But just watching what he can do, some of the easy misses near the basket, some of the PG responsibility passes that are just too quick or just off the mark, etc he looks to be VERY good in the future. And that's why I think people are going to defend him. He looks pretty rough around the edges, but we have seen what he can do and what he will do in the future once the speed of the game slows down for him and he sharpens his skills that are already there. He will be a monster.

Blkbrd671 · Post #1025 » by **Blkbrd671** » Sun Nov 29, 2015 10:21 pm

princeofpalace wrote:
Blkbrd671 wrote:
Phenomenonsense wrote:
It's a little hard to see. I mean, I don't watch as many Miami games as you do apparently, but their numbers are remarkably similar except for the fact that Johnson plays 8 less minutes per game.

The biggest different is Detroit ask SJ to be one of the sparks off the bench, we make it a point to put him in the PnR , whereas JW at this point can't effectively put the ball on the floor , post up, or score. They ask JW to defend and get hustle points with the occasional jumper because thats pretty much all he can do, where as SJ can run the point, post up, etc. Its very easy to make a case for JW without context which are pretty much everyone who ranks jw ahead of sj. Also all this talk about his premier defense, reminding me of MKG. You can be a great defender when your not asked to do anything offensively

Eh. SVG asked SJ to focus on defense and rebounding. Instead, SJ tries to force his offensive game and often takes bad shots that are outside the flow of the offense.

If you actually watch the games, you'll see SJ will try to get his once or twice intially and depending on its success or failure will try to get more. This idea that SJ tries to force is largely overblown through the course of the game. The fact that he's not pulled very often by SVG would indicate he's doing what coaches are asking him to do. Sh* even our vet players are getting him the ball. The encouraging part is that SJ shot selection i'd say 90% of the time is good. So forgive the rookie for occasionally looking like a rookie.

When you stop being biased its easy to see why the guy putting on 7points/5 boards on 46% FG in 29mpg with elite defense is considered as having the better season than the guy putting up 7 points/4 boards on 37% FG in 20mpg.

Idk why you even post stuff like this and leave out important stats like usage. Which is pretty much what i said. SVG ask way more of SJ than Miami asks of JW. Maybe instead of miami games, try watching a couple piston games.

ElectricMayhem · Post #1026 » by **ElectricMayhem** » Wed Dec 2, 2015 3:01 am

Anyone else breathe a sigh of relief that we won't be Philly's first win?

Blkbrd671 · Post #1027 » by **Blkbrd671** » Wed Dec 2, 2015 4:03 am

ElectricMayhem wrote:Anyone else breathe a sigh of relief that we won't be Philly's first win?

damn straight, i hope GS stays undefeated til our rematch

Post #1028 » by **dVs33** » Wed Dec 2, 2015 4:13 am

ElectricMayhem wrote:Anyone else breathe a sigh of relief that we won't be Philly's first win?

I wish Philly's first win came against the warriors for their first lost.
then the world would implode.

It is a little more comforting though. You don't wanna be the first.

El Chivo · Post #1029 » by **El Chivo** » Wed Dec 2, 2015 8:55 am

sc8581 wrote:I still would have traded the pick for MKG or Batum

MKG can't shoot and is broken ; Batum is a 1 year rental.

Waste a 8th pick for a injuried player or a rental looks awful.

DBC10 · Post #1030 » by **DBC10** » Wed Dec 2, 2015 5:16 pm

Golden State actually has a good chance to go undefeated for a long time.

They are the epitome of a perfect team right now. A historic one at that.

joedumars1 · Post #1031 » by **joedumars1** » Wed Dec 2, 2015 10:00 pm

DBC10 wrote:Golden State actually has a good chance to go undefeated for a long time.

They are the epitome of a perfect team right now. A historic one at that.

I bet my friend about GSW on Saturday that they would get to 25-0. I did have a dream last night to where on the TV it showed they lost 111-103 or something, I was like ****. It felt so real, lol

DBC10 · Post #1032 » by **DBC10** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 12:22 am

joedumars1 wrote:
DBC10 wrote:Golden State actually has a good chance to go undefeated for a long time.

They are the epitome of a perfect team right now. A historic one at that.

I bet my friend about GSW on Saturday that they would get to 25-0. I did have a dream last night to where on the TV it showed they lost 111-103 or something, I was like ****. It felt so real, lol

Crazy how some of us are dreaming that GSW might lose haha. Reality is so much more different.

Blkbrd671 · Post #1033 » by **Blkbrd671** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 1:51 am

DBC10 wrote:Golden State actually has a good chance to go undefeated for a long time.

They are the epitome of a perfect team right now. A historic one at that.

they legitimately have the depth and roster to go undefeated the whole season. If you look , i don't believe its like any of there players are playing out their mind. For curry that sh* normal.

they won't, but if there was a team that could. It would look very similar to there roster and chemistry.

ComboGuardCity · Post #1034 » by **ComboGuardCity** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 3:40 am

Woah. Reggie is averaging 34 and 16 in December.

GOAT

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Liqourish · Post #1035 » by **Liqourish** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 4:13 am

John Wall- 18.4 pts 3.8 rebs 7.9 asts 2.3 stls 4.4 to's 42.3% fg 32.9% 3pt 73.8% ft in 33.6 mpg. 7 wins in 16 games
Reggie Jackson- 19.9 pts 4.3 rebs 6.7 asts 1.1 stls 3.3 to's 43.1% fg 36.0% 3pt 84.5% ft in 31.5 mpg. 10 wins in 19 games

Can't believe we were stupid enough to pay Reggie John Wall type money. :wink:

DBC10 · Post #1036 » by **DBC10** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 4:45 am

I want to take the time and appreciate Curry once more.

He is the best shooter in history. Hands down.

detroitKG · Post #1037 » by **detroitKG** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 4:51 am

Fcking Chills watching this! Vintage!

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIFymhwOddY[/youtube]

Ghost · Post #1038 » by **Ghost** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 2:55 pm

ComboGuardCity wrote:Woah. Reggie is averaging 34 and 16 in December.

GOAT

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We have more then one growing superstar!

MrBigShot · Post #1039 » by **MrBigShot** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 4:44 pm

So happy seeing Kobe playing like Kobe.

Redeemed · Post #1040 » by **Redeemed** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 5:36 pm

DBC10 wrote:Golden State actually has a good chance to go undefeated for a long time.

They are the epitome of a perfect team right now. A historic one at that.

I think the streak will end against the Cavs on Christmas.