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Re: Trae Young 

Post#1021 » by clyde21 » Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:05 pm

BadWolf wrote:I haven't seen him play, just reading. How is he different then Jimmer?


How is he the same? :-?
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Post#1022 » by wassuphomeboy » Mon Mar 19, 2018 5:00 am

Lots of players from this draft could be good.

He's the only one I know for sure will be.

And, probably the only one that can save the Clippers at this point.
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Post#1023 » by doordoor123 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:04 pm

wassuphomeboy wrote:Lots of players from this draft could be good.

He's the only one I know for sure will be.

And, probably the only one that can save the Clippers at this point.


What are you talking about? The Clippers are good and are in a good position. They don’t need to be “saved.” Clippers are my team from the womb. They have plenty of cap space two draft picks, some really good young players. Jawun Evans is a beast defensively will be great when hes given the opportunity to be and grows into a point guard. I know he’s a free agent, but I think Clippers re-sign him, Harrell has been a beast. Austin Rivers has become a two-way player (but he needs to be more consistent). And we just signed Lou Williams and he’s a baller. Next season I expect him to be an all-star. This team also barely knows each other yet, half the team was hauled off mid-season. We also have Patrick Beverly who will return, Teodosic (who is a better passer than Young and most players in the league), Harris has gotten better every year and will likely take another step next year, Gallinari kind of sucks but you know you can be good at times. “Save the Clippers.” Get that sheet out of here.
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Post#1024 » by SeattleJazzFan » Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:36 pm

BadWolf wrote:I haven't seen him play, just reading. How is he different then Jimmer?

hate questions like this, but i'll play the game. also, i'm a huge BYU fan and love Jimmer.

Trae Young is quicker, has better change of pace, better ball handler and a lot better playmaker/passer. also, while young sucked defensively, when he really tries, he's actually really good at staying in front. jimmer couldn't or wouldn't stay in front of anybody - ever.
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Post#1025 » by OrangeBlueSkies » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:01 pm

What do we know about todays NBA?
1- The new Center is one that must have a 3pt shot in his arsenal. In fact, the traditional center is no longer a "game changer" in todays NBA. The new Center is an elite outside shooter, and athletic enough to play in the perimeter.
2- The NBA is rumored to be heavily considering adding a 4pt shot in the future.
3- Stephen Curry represents what is considered now an NBA Superstar. A PG with unlimited range, elite handling abilities, and unselfish passing. This type of PG creates problems for opposing Defenses. It also has equated to multiple championships and has caused teams to try to copy this blue print (I.e Damian Lillard).

That being said, Trae Young is the #1 pick in this draft.
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Post#1026 » by SeattleJazzFan » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:56 pm

OrangeBlueSkies wrote:What do we know about todays NBA?
1- The new Center is one that must have a 3pt shot in his arsenal. In fact, the traditional center is no longer a "game changer" in todays NBA. The new Center is an elite outside shooter, and athletic enough to play in the perimeter.


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Post#1027 » by RookieStar » Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:01 pm

OrangeBlueSkies wrote:What do we know about todays NBA?
1- The new Center is one that must have a 3pt shot in his arsenal. In fact, the traditional center is no longer a "game changer" in todays NBA. The new Center is an elite outside shooter, and athletic enough to play in the perimeter.
2- The NBA is rumored to be heavily considering adding a 4pt shot in the future.
3- Stephen Curry represents what is considered now an NBA Superstar. A PG with unlimited range, elite handling abilities, and unselfish passing. This type of PG creates problems for opposing Defenses. It also has equated to multiple championships and has caused teams to try to copy this blue print (I.e Damian Lillard).

That being said, Trae Young is the #1 pick in this draft.


WTF? Since when?
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Post#1028 » by doordoor123 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:23 pm

RookieStar wrote:
OrangeBlueSkies wrote:What do we know about todays NBA?
1- The new Center is one that must have a 3pt shot in his arsenal. In fact, the traditional center is no longer a "game changer" in todays NBA. The new Center is an elite outside shooter, and athletic enough to play in the perimeter.
2- The NBA is rumored to be heavily considering adding a 4pt shot in the future.
3- Stephen Curry represents what is considered now an NBA Superstar. A PG with unlimited range, elite handling abilities, and unselfish passing. This type of PG creates problems for opposing Defenses. It also has equated to multiple championships and has caused teams to try to copy this blue print (I.e Damian Lillard).

That being said, Trae Young is the #1 pick in this draft.


WTF? Since when?


If they did I would stop watching basketball.
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Post#1029 » by RookieStar » Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:50 pm

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RookieStar wrote:
OrangeBlueSkies wrote:What do we know about todays NBA?
1- The new Center is one that must have a 3pt shot in his arsenal. In fact, the traditional center is no longer a "game changer" in todays NBA. The new Center is an elite outside shooter, and athletic enough to play in the perimeter.
2- The NBA is rumored to be heavily considering adding a 4pt shot in the future.
3- Stephen Curry represents what is considered now an NBA Superstar. A PG with unlimited range, elite handling abilities, and unselfish passing. This type of PG creates problems for opposing Defenses. It also has equated to multiple championships and has caused teams to try to copy this blue print (I.e Damian Lillard).

That being said, Trae Young is the #1 pick in this draft.


WTF? Since when?


If they did I would stop watching basketball.


Agree.. what's next? a 5 point behind the middle court shot?

Also, the 3pt shooting C thing, even the new age NBA doesn't really need them. As long as you can score down low, rebound well and be a rim-protector, it's all good. If you end up guarding the perimeter, it's your teammates fault not yours.
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Post#1030 » by SBM » Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:38 pm

I agree with Bibby comparison as his basement. He along with Bagley were the two most impressive college players.
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Post#1032 » by JMac1 » Thu Mar 22, 2018 4:09 am

He is gonna make some team happy. Probably won’t be the Suns, that’s cool if we end up with Bags, Ayton or Doncic, however Whoever picks him 7-10 will be laughing at teams 4-6 and possible more. Just saying.
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Post#1033 » by laika » Sat Mar 24, 2018 9:32 am

OrangeBlueSkies wrote:What do we know about todays NBA?
1- The new Center is one that must have a 3pt shot in his arsenal. In fact, the traditional center is no longer a "game changer" in todays NBA. The new Center is an elite outside shooter, and athletic enough to play in the perimeter.
2- The NBA is rumored to be heavily considering adding a 4pt shot in the future.
3- Stephen Curry represents what is considered now an NBA Superstar. A PG with unlimited range, elite handling abilities, and unselfish passing. This type of PG creates problems for opposing Defenses. It also has equated to multiple championships and has caused teams to try to copy this blue print (I.e Damian Lillard).

That being said, Trae Young is the #1 pick in this draft.


Well, guess I'll go with the opposite extreme. Trae has the highest bust potential of any of the top players in the draft. His conference shooting numbers were terrible and he doesn't play defense.
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Post#1034 » by ATTL » Sat Mar 24, 2018 6:34 pm



Did you expect him to say he'd rather not play there?
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Post#1035 » by doordoor123 » Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:35 am

The reason I don’t think Trae Young will be a superstar and maybe not even an All-star is because of the way he draws fouls. It’s the same reason I think the Thunder just aren’t good. Players that give up on making a basket for a foul is bad. Players that finish with contact or actually try to make the three when they’re fouled on the three-point shot tend to have more success. I don’t think Young has the length or the body-type to do that at the next level. Step Curry, James Harden, Jimmy Butler, Kawhi Leonard, LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Klay Thompson, LaMarcus Aldridge, Anthony Davis, DeMarcus Cousins, John Wall. All of them finish with contact instead of trying to sell the ref with only contact. Blake Griffin, Draymond Green, Russell Westbrook, Carmelo Anthony, Paul George and Damian Lillard all try to sell fouls more than getting a basket and I think it actually hurts their chances or winning in a lot of cases.
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Post#1036 » by SeattleJazzFan » Wed May 2, 2018 9:06 pm

doordoor123 wrote:The reason I don’t think Trae Young will be a superstar and maybe not even an All-star is because of the way he draws fouls. It’s the same reason I think the Thunder just aren’t good. Players that give up on making a basket for a foul is bad. Players that finish with contact or actually try to make the three when they’re fouled on the three-point shot tend to have more success. I don’t think Young has the length or the body-type to do that at the next level. Step Curry, James Harden, Jimmy Butler, Kawhi Leonard, LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Klay Thompson, LaMarcus Aldridge, Anthony Davis, DeMarcus Cousins, John Wall. All of them finish with contact instead of trying to sell the ref with only contact. Blake Griffin, Draymond Green, Russell Westbrook, Carmelo Anthony, Paul George and Damian Lillard all try to sell fouls more than getting a basket and I think it actually hurts their chances or winning in a lot of cases.


okay, but just keep in mind you are judging a frosh in college against 10 year NBA vets. that is most definitely something he could develop.
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Post#1037 » by doordoor123 » Wed May 2, 2018 10:50 pm

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doordoor123 wrote:The reason I don’t think Trae Young will be a superstar and maybe not even an All-star is because of the way he draws fouls. It’s the same reason I think the Thunder just aren’t good. Players that give up on making a basket for a foul is bad. Players that finish with contact or actually try to make the three when they’re fouled on the three-point shot tend to have more success. I don’t think Young has the length or the body-type to do that at the next level. Step Curry, James Harden, Jimmy Butler, Kawhi Leonard, LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Klay Thompson, LaMarcus Aldridge, Anthony Davis, DeMarcus Cousins, John Wall. All of them finish with contact instead of trying to sell the ref with only contact. Blake Griffin, Draymond Green, Russell Westbrook, Carmelo Anthony, Paul George and Damian Lillard all try to sell fouls more than getting a basket and I think it actually hurts their chances or winning in a lot of cases.


okay, but just keep in mind you are judging a frosh in college against 10 year NBA vets. that is most definitely something he could develop.


Yeah, I know, I’m honestly not even judging. I was just really frustrated with the way the Thunder were playing and think it’s a huge hindrance. I still like Young, but I don’t think he’s the next Steve Nash.
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Post#1038 » by AshyLarrysDiaper » Thu May 3, 2018 6:05 am

doordoor123 wrote:The reason I don’t think Trae Young will be a superstar and maybe not even an All-star is because of the way he draws fouls. It’s the same reason I think the Thunder just aren’t good. Players that give up on making a basket for a foul is bad. Players that finish with contact or actually try to make the three when they’re fouled on the three-point shot tend to have more success. I don’t think Young has the length or the body-type to do that at the next level. Step Curry, James Harden, Jimmy Butler, Kawhi Leonard, LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Klay Thompson, LaMarcus Aldridge, Anthony Davis, DeMarcus Cousins, John Wall. All of them finish with contact instead of trying to sell the ref with only contact. Blake Griffin, Draymond Green, Russell Westbrook, Carmelo Anthony, Paul George and Damian Lillard all try to sell fouls more than getting a basket and I think it actually hurts their chances or winning in a lot of cases.


+1. Not because I agree necessarily -- it's just an observation about Young I haven't seen before. Interesting.
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Post#1039 » by nolang1 » Thu May 3, 2018 6:16 pm

AshyLarrysDiaper wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:The reason I don’t think Trae Young will be a superstar and maybe not even an All-star is because of the way he draws fouls. It’s the same reason I think the Thunder just aren’t good. Players that give up on making a basket for a foul is bad. Players that finish with contact or actually try to make the three when they’re fouled on the three-point shot tend to have more success. I don’t think Young has the length or the body-type to do that at the next level. Step Curry, James Harden, Jimmy Butler, Kawhi Leonard, LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Klay Thompson, LaMarcus Aldridge, Anthony Davis, DeMarcus Cousins, John Wall. All of them finish with contact instead of trying to sell the ref with only contact. Blake Griffin, Draymond Green, Russell Westbrook, Carmelo Anthony, Paul George and Damian Lillard all try to sell fouls more than getting a basket and I think it actually hurts their chances or winning in a lot of cases.


+1. Not because I agree necessarily -- it's just an observation about Young I haven't seen before. Interesting.


It's been talked about quite a bit. Players like Harden get fouled a lot because if you don't they'll just dunk on you, so Young definitely needs to prove he can finish over length before anyone's going to bail him out by fouling.

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Upperclass wrote:Steph is a top 3 passer(vision) in this league.. behind Lebron and Harden. You could EASILY see this back at Davidson.. his issue was if he would be able to penetrate due to his perceived lack of quickness.

No such issues with Young when it comes to penetrating. The guy penetrates as much as Harden, hence his ridiculous FTAs a game. If there's one worry, it is durability playing that style. Having said that, he seems to have an endless motor. He plays way better in the second halves of games in general despite the usage.


The worry would be that his foul selling game is pretty much maxed out already and that better defenders will be fine with letting him penetrate and daring him to make a low-percentage shot over them.
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Post#1040 » by TheSuzerain » Fri May 4, 2018 4:03 pm

doordoor123 wrote:The reason I don’t think Trae Young will be a superstar and maybe not even an All-star is because of the way he draws fouls. It’s the same reason I think the Thunder just aren’t good. Players that give up on making a basket for a foul is bad. Players that finish with contact or actually try to make the three when they’re fouled on the three-point shot tend to have more success. I don’t think Young has the length or the body-type to do that at the next level. Step Curry, James Harden, Jimmy Butler, Kawhi Leonard, LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Klay Thompson, LaMarcus Aldridge, Anthony Davis, DeMarcus Cousins, John Wall. All of them finish with contact instead of trying to sell the ref with only contact. Blake Griffin, Draymond Green, Russell Westbrook, Carmelo Anthony, Paul George and Damian Lillard all try to sell fouls more than getting a basket and I think it actually hurts their chances or winning in a lot of cases.

Westbrook had 19 more And-1's this year than in any season of John Wall's career. Westbrook also had way more than KD

You list Klay Thompson as someone who finishes through contact. Which is bizarre as he had 6 And-1's all season. Darren Collison had 13.

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