Political Roundtable Part XXII

[stilldropin20]

I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt.

But, sadly, I'm coming around to that same conclusion...




I honestly don't think even he believes what he's saying.

I'd just like to point out you didn't give those who suggested it wasn't worth it the benefit of the doubt.

That said, does it really matter if he believes what he's saying or not? Either he doesn't and he's a troll and it's entirely irrelevant, or he does and you've entered a black hole from which there is no return. Personally, I feel it's a little of both but don't really care to bother with which is which at any given point. I don't have him on ignore, and theoretically would still engage with him if I felt there was something presented in good faith to discuss. I also disagree about the notion that he's to be mocked or whatever. I don't feel that's particularly helpful in any respect.

He isn't alone, though close to it in this particular thread, but there is some representation there, too. If anything, he's an example of how we've progressed passed the ends justifying the means to basically completely ignoring the means altogether, and any other ends that don't have to specifically do with the one particular end you're chasing. And I don't actually think he's fully expressed what that end is, either, but he doesn't have to. Logic is irrelevant if there is something a person feels deeply, regardless of whether or not they can/do express it openly. It's why that whole Analytica thing that is long forgotten but still going on after the standard corporate name change needed to stick in people's memories a little more. They were well aware that politics and voting can very easily be pushed to the emotional spectrum, and once that happens, the game changes completely.

The liberals and anti-trumpers on this board are amongst the absolutely most intellectually dishonest people ive ever encountered in my entire life. Do and say anything to make trump look bad. including willing to harm our economy and harm our justice system. Take a dump on our bill of rights just to nail trump. <--not right. Someone must resist this resistance. may as well be me, your humble servant and truth teller, STD.

[Jamaaliver]

I don't have him on ignore, and theoretically would still engage with him if I felt there was something presented in good faith to discuss.

I also disagree about the notion that he's to be mocked or whatever. I don't feel that's particularly helpful in any respect.

Logic is irrelevant if there is something a person feels deeply, regardless of whether or not they can/do express it openly.

...They were well aware that politics and voting can very easily be pushed to the emotional spectrum, and once that happens, the game changes completely.

You got like a fan club I could sign up for or something?

Maybe a newsletter or blog?

At least a poster of yourself I could put up on my wall? Cause, dude...I am man-crushing -- hard.

[stilldropin20]

I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt.

But, sadly, I'm coming around to that same conclusion...




I honestly don't think even he believes what he's saying.

I'd just like to point out you didn't give those who suggested it wasn't worth it the benefit of the doubt.

That said, does it really matter if he believes what he's saying or not? Either he doesn't and he's a troll and it's entirely irrelevant, or he does and you've entered a black hole from which there is no return. Personally, I feel it's a little of both but don't really care to bother with which is which at any given point. I don't have him on ignore, and theoretically would still engage with him if I felt there was something presented in good faith to discuss. I also disagree about the notion that he's to be mocked or whatever. I don't feel that's particularly helpful in any respect.

He isn't alone, though close to it in this particular thread, but there is some representation there, too. If anything, he's an example of how we've progressed passed the ends justifying the means to basically completely ignoring the means altogether, and any other ends that don't have to specifically do with the one particular end you're chasing. And I don't actually think he's fully expressed what that end is, either, but he doesn't have to. Logic is irrelevant if there is something a person feels deeply, regardless of whether or not they can/do express it openly. It's why that whole Analytica thing that is long forgotten but still going on after the standard corporate name change needed to stick in people's memories a little more. They were well aware that politics and voting can very easily be pushed to the emotional spectrum, and once that happens, the game changes completely.

He goes by the idea that any attention is good attention. He's like the Nike of this thread.

Except Nike generally makes money when it gets attention. SD gets ______ from the attention he gets here.

ok...question for the board...and i value your guys' opinion. Gotta decide this week. Both are used and good deals. Which one should I get?

First one is $70K and 50 foot. does 55 knots and a bing tank with range so i can travel to cuba in an hour and a half. and even cancun. bahamas and caymen in hours. and its a sunseeker!! more space above. Sun beds. state room with door.

Watch on YouTube

or

this one for 135K 40 foot. 25 knots. heavy. but more space below comfy. Curtains for state room.

Watch on YouTube

[Ruzious]

[
I'm sorry but... blablabla bladabladablada booblybooblyboo..

But this is bull crap. I refuse to live in a society where anyone: man or woman can have their lives upended on the national stage because of extremely non-credible accusations. He was 17. She was 15. It was 1982. She waited 36 years to bring this up?? He was already a powerful judge. She cant even remember the house. She cant remember who threw the party. She doesn't remember if there was a swimming pool at the house. I have no idea how she remembers this other guy being there be that other guy says it never happened. That nothing like that ever happened and the kavanaugh is a good guy.

Yeah... it's like... ya know... how could she possibly remember being sexually molested when she didn't even remember if there was a swimming pool in that house? I doubt she even remembers the style of wallpaper or the brand of paper cups!!! Did anyone even check if she ever googled Anita Hill??? There's your smoking gun. Proof positive that... well hey, uh... fake news!

[Jamaaliver]

The liberals and anti-trumpers on this board are amongst the absolutely most intellectually dishonest people I've ever encountered in my entire life.

5 minutes later...

ok...question for the board...and i value your guys' opinion.

It's like...he just says things?

[I_Like_Dirt]

@dirt - And we see it on the other side of the spectra - rights for all without the responsibility (both individual and as a society) it entails (your words I think).

I'm not sure what you're getting at with this, but there is probably some way I've rationalized it somehow into any of my arguments. If those weren't my exact words, they're pretty close. I don't believe you can have rights without responsibility, and I feel we spend far too much effort focusing on rights while completely ignoring responsibility. In the rare cases responsibility gets brought up, it's invariably to point fingers at why someone else should be taking responsibility.

[Jamaaliver]

I don't believe you can have rights without responsibility, and I feel we spend far too much effort focusing on rights while completely ignoring responsibility. In the rare cases responsibility gets brought up, it's invariably to point fingers at why someone else should be taking responsibility.

[I_Like_Dirt]

You got like a fan club I could sign up for or something?

Maybe a newsletter or blog?

At least a poster of yourself I could put up on my wall? Cause, dude...I am man-crushing -- hard.

I have plenty of posters!



Or if you want one from younger times:



I may or may not be in either of those posters.

[pancakes3]

disavowing rape allegations based on political allegiances seems like a new low.

[dckingsfan]

Fat lady isn't singing yet:
https://www.texastribune.org/2018/09/19/beto-orourke-leads-cruz-new-poll-texas-senate-race/

[closg00]

Fat lady isn't singing yet:
https://www.texastribune.org/2018/09/19/beto-orourke-leads-cruz-new-poll-texas-senate-race/

Republicans will deploy every voter suppression dirty trick that they have, they control the machinery

Edit: It appears that this poll is an outlier
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2018/senate/tx/texas_senate_cruz_vs_orourke-6310.html

[dckingsfan]

Fat lady isn't singing yet:
https://www.texastribune.org/2018/09/19/beto-orourke-leads-cruz-new-poll-texas-senate-race/

Republicans will deploy every voter suppression dirty trick that they have, they control the machinery

Edit: It appears that this poll is an outlier
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2018/senate/tx/texas_senate_cruz_vs_orourke-6310.html

You are right on both points.

What is interesting is that Beto is floating the other D ships for congress. So, although he will probably not win - he is definitely affecting politics in Texas.

[montestewart]

stilldropin20 believes in QAnon.

STD brings more original content to this thread than the entire posting community combined. He's single handedly keeping this place alive!!!! Alive, I say!!!!

every word uttered incoherently
it's all high usage, low efficiency
montestewart is the toxic cavity
that you tried to bribe with a bucket of brie

[popper]

I'd just like to point out you didn't give those who suggested it wasn't worth it the benefit of the doubt.

That said, does it really matter if he believes what he's saying or not? Either he doesn't and he's a troll and it's entirely irrelevant, or he does and you've entered a black hole from which there is no return. Personally, I feel it's a little of both but don't really care to bother with which is which at any given point. I don't have him on ignore, and theoretically would still engage with him if I felt there was something presented in good faith to discuss. I also disagree about the notion that he's to be mocked or whatever. I don't feel that's particularly helpful in any respect.

He isn't alone, though close to it in this particular thread, but there is some representation there, too. If anything, he's an example of how we've progressed passed the ends justifying the means to basically completely ignoring the means altogether, and any other ends that don't have to specifically do with the one particular end you're chasing. And I don't actually think he's fully expressed what that end is, either, but he doesn't have to. Logic is irrelevant if there is something a person feels deeply, regardless of whether or not they can/do express it openly. It's why that whole Analytica thing that is long forgotten but still going on after the standard corporate name change needed to stick in people's memories a little more. They were well aware that politics and voting can very easily be pushed to the emotional spectrum, and once that happens, the game changes completely.

He goes by the idea that any attention is good attention. He's like the Nike of this thread.

Except Nike generally makes money when it gets attention. SD gets ______ from the attention he gets here.

ok...question for the board...and i value your guys' opinion. Gotta decide this week. Both are used and good deals. Which one should I get?

First one is $70K and 50 foot. does 55 knots and a bing tank with range so i can travel to cuba in an hour and a half. and even cancun. bahamas and caymen in hours. and its a sunseeker!! more space above. Sun beds. state room with door.

Watch on YouTube

or

this one for 135K 40 foot. 25 knots. heavy. but more space below comfy. Curtains for state room.

Watch on YouTube

A couple of things to consider. If you're going to be doing a lot of blue water trips I'd look at diesel options. You sacrifice speed for safety (less fire hazard), fuel efficiency and reliability. If you're wed to gas then outboards are much less expensive to maintain than inboards and are more reliable. A twin outboard setup would be ideal.

[dckingsfan]

I can't tell if the tone of this article is to tip their hat to this administration:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/18/business/china-trade-war-retaliate.html

I don't think the "trade wars" have played out very well with NAFTA and Europe - but this one seems to be doing surprisingly well.

[stilldropin20]

He goes by the idea that any attention is good attention. He's like the Nike of this thread.

Except Nike generally makes money when it gets attention. SD gets ______ from the attention he gets here.

ok...question for the board...and i value your guys' opinion. Gotta decide this week. Both are used and good deals. Which one should I get?

First one is $70K and 50 foot. does 55 knots and a bing tank with range so i can travel to cuba in an hour and a half. and even cancun. bahamas and caymen in hours. and its a sunseeker!! more space above. Sun beds. state room with door.

Watch on YouTube

or

this one for 135K 40 foot. 25 knots. heavy. but more space below comfy. Curtains for state room.

Watch on YouTube

A couple of things to consider. If you're going to be doing a lot of blue water trips I'd look at diesel options. You sacrifice speed for safety (less fire hazard), fuel efficiency and reliability. If you're wed to gas then outboards are much less expensive to maintain than inboards and are more reliable. A twin outboard setup would be ideal.

thank you popper!! Good to hear from you!

I'm kinda set on the 2001 sunseeker superhawk 50. It's 52 feet long but only weighs 20K pounds. Tons of space! I want a boat that i can take from chicago to Upper michingan or green bay or sturgeon bay in a couple hours. And fart around in chicago for the water show. In the winter I am going to bring it down to florida and do carribean trips. This boat has the range to hit cuba stat a few days.


it has triple (3) merc cruisers 502 bulldogs.1400 HP. Does 70 mph. Cruises at 55 mph. Inboard engines with stern drives on hydraulic lifts that raise a foot higher than the keel so the boat can be beached easily without damage. a new 2017 12Kw kowler generator. a new 2017 AC and heater. only 500 hours on engines. Everything works. I'm having a complete survey done next week.

Cosmetics look good only slightly worn cushions. missing teak in half of cockpit.

Carpet is below is ugly and dated. 5 of 10 So I am going to repalce with full wood (teak) floors.

Teak cabs and counters are pristine. cushions below are pristine. 9.8 of 10

Instrument panel is a 9 of 10.

cockpit Cushions 7-8 of 10. not bad but slightly worn.

This boat was over $900,000 brand new. I can get it for $70K. So i dont think i can miss unless something major comes up at the survey.

check this out:

Watch on YouTube

[montestewart]

I think we need to move this discussion to the Washington Wizards official McYacht thread, Pt. IV

[gtn130]

popper earnestly responding to SD20's pathetic boat brag is just *chefs kiss* perfect

[Wizardspride]

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[Ruzious]

popper earnestly responding to SD20's pathetic boat brag is just *chefs kiss* perfect

I'm reminded of the special boat ride Tony Soprano and the gang gave to Big Pussy.