Political Roundtable Part XXVI

[Ruzious]

Hey guys !!!!
This is my first post and probably my last as it will probably get me banned,I read a lot of the posts in this thread so I know anyone who has different thoughts or ideas are quickly banished
!. Why do you talk so much about children in cages but you didn't have a problem with it when Obama was doing it?
2.You talk about Trump not being faithful to his wife but it was no problem when it was Clinton?
HRC had Benghazi Uranium one and the Hillary victory fund
I'm not saying Trump is great,honest or a perfect guy but good lord open your eyes
Also instead of blaming Trump you need to be mad at the democrat nitwits in DC for not putting anybody decent against him
But at least it's good to see that most of the people here see what an idiot Biden is so the next election should be a better choice

Let me give you a quick answer to this random diarrhea you just spread all over the place. Everything you’ve posted is a lie or has been debunked and you’re a complete idiot. Don’t bother coming back.

Everything I posted is a lie ??? Do some fact checking there kiddo but you're a typical democrat so the ignorance is understandable

Lol, you have all of 2 posts in RealGM, and both are here in the Wizards forum - and you started off by saying you'll probably be banned. This is a place where it's been almost impossible to get banned - even though you are giving it a good shot. We had one guy who literally posted thousand of times here without getting banned and was a rabid psychotic Trump supporter. So exactly who else is it that got banished from here?

[doclinkin]

Hey guys !!!!
This is my first post and probably my last as it will probably get me banned,I read a lot of the posts in this thread so I know anyone who has different thoughts or ideas are quickly banished
!. Why do you talk so much about children in cages but you didn't have a problem with it when Obama was doing it?
2.You talk about Trump not being faithful to his wife but it was no problem when it was Clinton?
HRC had Benghazi Uranium one and the Hillary victory fund
I'm not saying Trump is great,honest or a perfect guy but good lord open your eyes
Also instead of blaming Trump you need to be mad at the democrat nitwits in DC for not putting anybody decent against him
But at least it's good to see that most of the people here see what an idiot Biden is so the next election should be a better choice

1. Under Obama there was a directive to keep families together. Under Trump, the zero tolerance policy means that anyone caught is immediately prosecuted in criminal court and therefore families are routinely separated. A few seconds search on google will show you that. Under Obama there were more deportations, but they were overwhelmingly of undocumented immigrants with criminal behavior. Check the APNews or Snopes.com or the Pulitzer Prize winning site Politifact which has links to sources.

2. Nobody on this site has mentioned that. You're trolling. If you want to argue about it, the largest knock on Trump in this case has been that he lied about hush money payments to porn stars and directed campaign funds to be paid to cover it up. This is a violation of law. Then he obstructed justice multiple times and suborned perjury from his lawyer to cover this up and other matters. His former lawyer is now serving a sentence for this admitted and proven activity. Under DOJ directive Trump cannot be indicted for this while he is in office. For now.

3. Hillary. Even years later with all the septic bilge that Trump spews out every day, the Trump supporters run back to throw rocks at the corpse of Hillary. Is that the last win you have? Who on here do you read is pumping up HIllary? She was a centrist moderate democrat and as such she was taking big money from big money donors. Probably some of that money comes from dirty sources. Same old same. I would have had more problems with her than I did with Obama. But: She has nothing to do with Trump. She is only ever mentioned by Trump supporters. Anyone questioning the rise of big money in politics over small d democracy had issues with Hillary. Still. She released her taxes. Her campaign has opened the books.

In short, repeat: you're trolling. Every thing you are mentioning is easily debunked and irrelevant. And for what. So you can try to scrape kitty litter over your mistakes?

You admit Trump is not good and dishonest. Yeah. He's a bad guy. Are you just making an excuse for yourself by blaming the Democrats and wishing they had given you a better option. Because otherwise it comes off as: "Well she did it toooooo....."

Okay, even without arguing that point (snopes.com and politifact both cite their sources): did you not pay attention in kindergarten when teachers said "two wrongs don't make a right"? That is not an argument for keeping this guy in office. Or even continuing to support him publicly. He's an embarrassment. An international laughingstock. And dangerous, possibly with deteriorating mental capabilities. It's time to admit the mistake and not double down on it. How, by blaming the Democrats that we elected Trump> (With Russian interference, and despite losing the popular vote)?

Don't follow the example of a dishonest and dirty guy by hiding your mistakes behind someone else. Hillary isn't giving trillion dollar tax cuts to billionaires and destroying family farms and american small businesses with disastrous trade wars etc. Stop it. He's a bad guy.

And yeah I don't like Biden either. Happy you expect the next election will be a better choice than Trump. Who do you like on the Democrat side?

[daoneandonly]

Donald Trump was pro choice and has definitely paid for an abortion or hundred. Ergo you support a baby killer. I don’t know how the a rapist is the most ethical person who was running for President. Just stop with the act like you support Trump because of some moral or religious values. Just admit that you’re a partisan and right wing judges we’re all that matter to you because you hate women. You’ve demonstrated that you’ve abandoned your Christian values long ago by supporting and continuing to support a man who’s the perfect example of a false prophet who’s act goes against all the teachings of Christ.

Definitely paid for an abortion or a hundred? Show proof of that, otherwise its just foolish, hateful hearsay.

So your only answer is show proof that Trump has paid for an abortion? The guy couldn’t answer a simple question when asked! I mean it must be hard to admit that all the bull you tell yourself about morals and religious values went out the door when you voted for Trump but even you know that the guy has paid for abortions. We already know he likes to raw dog pornstars. So you’re just fine with supporting an admitted rapist. Gotcha

An admitted rapist, who exactly is the rape victim? He's an admitted adulterer, and for that I think he's trash, but its a joke that in one post you talk about someone lying about the left, yet you call someone a rapist and said he's paid for abortions without any semblance of valid proof. Oh look at the interview, yeah because we know Trump's vernacular is among the best, he must be hiding something if he doesnt conduct the perfect interview.

You guys have 2020 locked up, what you needed those 2 seats in the Supreme Court too to make abortion as easily accessible as a traffic light? That's all it is. Not to mention tax the upper middle class more so YOU guys can pay less and reap more benefits, that's what all this noise is about, at least admit as much.

[Ruzious]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/take-the-land-president-trump-wants-a-border-wall-he-wants-it-black-and-he-wants-it-by-election-day/ar-AAGq7eS?li=BBnb7Kz

President Trump is so eager to complete hundreds of miles of border fence ahead of the 2020 presidential election that he has directed aides to fast-track billions of dollars’ worth of construction contracts, aggressively seize private land and disregard environmental rules, according to current and former officials involved with the project.

[bold]He also has told worried subordinates that he will pardon them of any potential wrongdoing should they have to break laws to get the barriers built quickly, those officials said.[/bold]

If this is true, his disrespect of the law is - at best - disgusting.

“Don’t worry, I’ll pardon you,” he has told officials in meetings about the wall.

And to people saying he's just joking... that's bs, and you should know that by know.

But it's not just the promise of pardons; it's also the disregard of environmental laws; it's also the mis-directment of federal funds; it's also the probable illegal seizure of private lands; and it's also instructing federal employees to break the law. These are all... crimes.

Guys, it's an understatement to say - things are out of control, and it's just gonna get worse - if we're stupid enough to let it. Are we really that stupid?

[Zonkerbl]

yeah it's a fantasy that a baby in a womb becomes one of those innocent babies in a cage, I guess they just magically appeared from thin air

Trump put the innocent babies in cages. Republican propagandists put the fantasy of innocent babies in the womb in your head. As we can see from your "well the ends justifies the means" defense of Trump, it makes you very easy to manipulate.

Trump HATES you. And he thinks your little delusion about defenseless womb babies makes you an easy mark. And he took you and your fellow sleepwalkers for $1.5 TRILLION.

Enjoy treating women like property though. It's *your* fault, and people like you, that one in four women in this country get raped. Don't come whining to me when it's your daughters turn. I pity her. Although I imagine what will happen when some prick like you who thinks women should be treated like property rapes her and gets her pregnant, you'll make an exception to your strongly held beliefs and *force* her to get an abortion, make her pay for it, and tell her it's her fault for dressing like a slut, even though it was a friend of hers who she thought was safe. Because these rules you scream for don't apply to you but to women who are poorer and browner than you.

You're full of hate, the best day in RealGM history was the day you retired as a mod. Protecting the life of a child isn't treating women like property, what a mindless argument. And your mention of a family member of mine getting raped or me raping someone just shows how classless you and a good chunk of the give me my freebies left really are

But you'll be happy in 2020, you can stay in your 12% tax bracket while some of us fork over 28%, because its the moral, selfless thing to do, yet allowing a baby to have a chance at life, not so much.

You should be THANKING me. You're new here, so I'll repeat what I've said before: I'm not going to hide my opinions behind emotionally manipulative fake civility. If I think an opinion you hold is vile despicable crap I'm going to tell you to your face, giving you an opportunity to learn from my wisdom and become a better man. You're welcome.

Not only that but I will explain to you WHY your opinion is vile and despicable crap. I grew up in a town of 4000 people in south west Ohio screwing daughters of fathers like you. Your lousy parenting affects me. Instead of spending time having a loving and emotionally healthy relationship, and screwing like bunnies, I have to spend time with your daughter cleaning up the emotional sewage you vomited all over her, because you won't admit your delusion about murdering babies directly and pretty obviously implies you think she's not a person but just property, just a baby cannon, reinforcing the same sense of worthlessness that all of current US society dumps on her, for being too fat/too slutty/too bitchy, and if she gets raped by some guy she knew and thought was safe, it's her fault because she's just a plaything, not a person. THERE'S some constructive criticism your daughter's boyfriend probably doesn't feel comfortable saying to your face. *You're welcome.*

And when your simple minded Handmaid's Tale horsecrap drives your daughter to move three time zones away from you the first opportunity she gets and you're wondering why she hasn't talked to you for five years, well now you know. You're welcome!

[daoneandonly]

Trump put the innocent babies in cages. Republican propagandists put the fantasy of innocent babies in the womb in your head. As we can see from your "well the ends justifies the means" defense of Trump, it makes you very easy to manipulate.

Trump HATES you. And he thinks your little delusion about defenseless womb babies makes you an easy mark. And he took you and your fellow sleepwalkers for $1.5 TRILLION.

Enjoy treating women like property though. It's *your* fault, and people like you, that one in four women in this country get raped. Don't come whining to me when it's your daughters turn. I pity her. Although I imagine what will happen when some prick like you who thinks women should be treated like property rapes her and gets her pregnant, you'll make an exception to your strongly held beliefs and *force* her to get an abortion, make her pay for it, and tell her it's her fault for dressing like a slut, even though it was a friend of hers who she thought was safe. Because these rules you scream for don't apply to you but to women who are poorer and browner than you.

You're full of hate, the best day in RealGM history was the day you retired as a mod. Protecting the life of a child isn't treating women like property, what a mindless argument. And your mention of a family member of mine getting raped or me raping someone just shows how classless you and a good chunk of the give me my freebies left really are

But you'll be happy in 2020, you can stay in your 12% tax bracket while some of us fork over 28%, because its the moral, selfless thing to do, yet allowing a baby to have a chance at life, not so much.

You should be THANKING me. You're new here, so I'll repeat what I've said before: I'm not going to hide my opinions behind emotionally manipulative fake civility. If I think an opinion you hold is vile despicable crap I'm going to tell you to your face, giving you an opportunity to learn from my wisdom and become a better man. You're welcome.

Not only that but I will explain to you WHY your opinion is vile and despicable crap. I grew up in a town of 4000 people in south west Ohio screwing daughters of fathers like you. Your lousy parenting affects me. Instead of spending time having a loving and emotionally healthy relationship, and screwing like bunnies, I have to spend time with your daughter cleaning up the emotional sewage you vomited all over her, because you won't admit your delusion about murdering babies directly and pretty obviously implies you think she's not a person but just property, just a baby cannon, reinforcing the same sense of worthlessness that all of current US society dumps on her, for being too fat/too slutty/too bitchy, and if she gets raped by some guy she knew and thought was safe, it's her fault because she's just a plaything, not a person. THERE'S some constructive criticism your daughter's boyfriend probably doesn't feel comfortable saying to your face. *You're welcome.*

And when your simple minded Handmaid's Tale horsecrap drives your daughter to move three time zones away from you the first opportunity she gets and you're wondering why she hasn't talked to you for five years, well now you know. You're welcome!

And You're Welcome for paying 6x as much in taxes than you do to make your life easier. But yeah you have your poster girl AOC fighting for you to make the same as people who actually work jobs that require specific skillsets and education. You're welcome for using a fraction of the services that you do, while doing the heavy lifting in paying for it.

There's only one argument for abortion in the case of an accidental pregnancy, YOU, you being aborted would have likely been a positive. For your parents, coworkers, society as a whole, for your wife, and for the kids who you think are yours, but I'll place a bet are not.

[Zonkerbl]

You're full of hate, the best day in RealGM history was the day you retired as a mod. Protecting the life of a child isn't treating women like property, what a mindless argument. And your mention of a family member of mine getting raped or me raping someone just shows how classless you and a good chunk of the give me my freebies left really are

But you'll be happy in 2020, you can stay in your 12% tax bracket while some of us fork over 28%, because its the moral, selfless thing to do, yet allowing a baby to have a chance at life, not so much.

You should be THANKING me. You're new here, so I'll repeat what I've said before: I'm not going to hide my opinions behind emotionally manipulative fake civility. If I think an opinion you hold is vile despicable crap I'm going to tell you to your face, giving you an opportunity to learn from my wisdom and become a better man. You're welcome.

Not only that but I will explain to you WHY your opinion is vile and despicable crap. I grew up in a town of 4000 people in south west Ohio screwing daughters of fathers like you. Your lousy parenting affects me. Instead of spending time having a loving and emotionally healthy relationship, and screwing like bunnies, I have to spend time with your daughter cleaning up the emotional sewage you vomited all over her, because you won't admit your delusion about murdering babies directly and pretty obviously implies you think she's not a person but just property, just a baby cannon, reinforcing the same sense of worthlessness that all of current US society dumps on her, for being too fat/too slutty/too bitchy, and if she gets raped by some guy she knew and thought was safe, it's her fault because she's just a plaything, not a person. THERE'S some constructive criticism your daughter's boyfriend probably doesn't feel comfortable saying to your face. *You're welcome.*

And when your simple minded Handmaid's Tale horsecrap drives your daughter to move three time zones away from you the first opportunity she gets and you're wondering why she hasn't talked to you for five years, well now you know. You're welcome!

And You're Welcome for paying 6x as much in taxes than you do to make your life easier. But yeah you have your poster girl AOC fighting for you to make the same as people who actually work jobs that require specific skillsets and education. You're welcome for using a fraction of the services that you do, while doing the heavy lifting in paying for it.

There's only one argument for abortion in the case of an accidental pregnancy, YOU, you being aborted would have likely been a positive. For your parents, coworkers, society as a whole, for your wife, and for the kids who you think are yours, but I'll place a bet are not.

OH I'M SO SHOCKED THIS INTELLECTUAL GIANT'S COMEBACK IS "I WISH YOU WERE ABORTED"

So I couldn't humiliate you on the interboobs I'm guessing.

You'll be sad to know that I was a mistake but it was 1970 and my Mom couldn't get an abortion legally. Sucks for you I guess!

I love winning arguments on the internet. It makes it almost feel like all this crap we're going through is worth it. Except it doesn't.

[daoneandonly]

You should be THANKING me. You're new here, so I'll repeat what I've said before: I'm not going to hide my opinions behind emotionally manipulative fake civility. If I think an opinion you hold is vile despicable crap I'm going to tell you to your face, giving you an opportunity to learn from my wisdom and become a better man. You're welcome.

Not only that but I will explain to you WHY your opinion is vile and despicable crap. I grew up in a town of 4000 people in south west Ohio screwing daughters of fathers like you. Your lousy parenting affects me. Instead of spending time having a loving and emotionally healthy relationship, and screwing like bunnies, I have to spend time with your daughter cleaning up the emotional sewage you vomited all over her, because you won't admit your delusion about murdering babies directly and pretty obviously implies you think she's not a person but just property, just a baby cannon, reinforcing the same sense of worthlessness that all of current US society dumps on her, for being too fat/too slutty/too bitchy, and if she gets raped by some guy she knew and thought was safe, it's her fault because she's just a plaything, not a person. THERE'S some constructive criticism your daughter's boyfriend probably doesn't feel comfortable saying to your face. *You're welcome.*

And when your simple minded Handmaid's Tale horsecrap drives your daughter to move three time zones away from you the first opportunity she gets and you're wondering why she hasn't talked to you for five years, well now you know. You're welcome!

And You're Welcome for paying 6x as much in taxes than you do to make your life easier. But yeah you have your poster girl AOC fighting for you to make the same as people who actually work jobs that require specific skillsets and education. You're welcome for using a fraction of the services that you do, while doing the heavy lifting in paying for it.

There's only one argument for abortion in the case of an accidental pregnancy, YOU, you being aborted would have likely been a positive. For your parents, coworkers, society as a whole, for your wife, and for the kids who you think are yours, but I'll place a bet are not.

OH I'M SO SHOCKED THIS INTELLECTUAL GIANT'S COMEBACK IS "I WISH YOU WERE ABORTED"

So I couldn't humiliate you on the interboobs I'm guessing.

I love winning arguments on the internet. It makes it almost feel like all this crap we're going through is worth it. Except it doesn't.

Cause your rhetoric and diatribe on people's family is some type of winning argument, I guess in liberal DMV and this board it is. The board that cries at Trump's racism, but supports a football team with a racist name.

There's a reason why Liberal left and Lazy all start with the same letter, because it's the perfect fit. The couples that have abortions because they don't want to own up to their responsibility, are lazy, and 97.5% of the time, liberals.

[Ruzious]

There's only one argument for abortion in the case of an accidental pregnancy, YOU, you being aborted would have likely been a positive. For your parents, coworkers, society as a whole, for your wife, and for the kids who you think are yours, but I'll place a bet are not.

C'mon man. Sheesh. Cool it.

Though Zonk's kids do kinda look like the mailman.

[montestewart]

Da1 is keeping the offseason interesting at least.

To the best of my knowledge, none of the women in my family (sisters, cousins, mother, stepmother, aunts) has ever gotten an abortion, or welfare, or...I forget all of the qualifiers. All pro-choice, All in upper tax brackets. All pretty well educated.

The issue is emotional, an actual/potential life weighed against control of a woman’s body and life. Any argument that summarily dismisses one of these two factors is too too for me.

[daoneandonly]

Da1 is keeping the offseason interesting at least.

To the best of my knowledge, none of the women in my family (sisters, cousins, mother, stepmother, aunts) has ever gotten an abortion, or welfare, or...I forget all of the qualifiers. All pro-choice, All in upper tax brackets. All pretty well educated.

The issue is emotional, an actual/potential life weighed against control of a woman’s body and life. Any argument that summarily dismisses one of these two factors is too too for me.

I went overboard with some things there, I'd take it back if i could. But Zonk's attacks on my family were unwarranted and just made my blood pressure rise, such an ignorant, indignant human being. Alas, he is in fact a human being and still deserved to have a chance at life, glad his mom gave it to him.

And didn't mean to say all who fall in those categories have abortions, but the majority of couples having them do in fact vote Democrat, I don't think that's hard to fathom given how divisive the issue is.

[dckingsfan]

The issue is emotional, an actual/potential life weighed against control of a woman’s body and life. Any argument that summarily dismisses one of these two factors is too too for me.

Interesting that the last Gallup poll had only 18% against abortion in the case of rape.

And since ~25% of women will be raped in their lifetime... well, unless there is a protected carveout -- it is too too for me as well.

[I_Like_Dirt]

What you went through Dirt, no person ever should have to. We disagree on a lot and you have every reason to doubt my sincerity, but I am sorry for that your son and your fa had to endure what you did.

There's a massive difference between those who have to make that decision because the mother or the baby's life is in danger, and those that simply had an accidental pregnancy and can't own up their actions. The former is a circumstance through no fault of their own, the latter is not.

There's no punishing women syndrome here, thats what libs like Zonk, Point, and pancake like to go to because its a nice sound clip and gets some women out to vote.

Anyways I made an incorrect assumption about you, so I'll apologize for that.

Not to come across as intentionally disagreeing with absolutely everything you say but I actually don't think "no person should ever have to" go through what I did. What I did was a learning experience and allowed me to grow as a person. It made me seriously re-evaluate some of my own beliefs. I felt sorry for myself when I found out about my son's conditions. After he was born that all went away. Yeah, he's been more of a challenge than my daughter in terms of medical appointments and such but I'm thankfully in a position where it won't break me financially to go through all that stuff. There are a disturbingly high amount of people out there who would be broken by that.

I also would suggest you're trying to force a separation in terms of choices and not choices. I am absolutely burdened by my own choices. Had I decided not to get married and have kids, I wouldn't have ever been in the position I'm in today. And I don't regret it. What I do want is to support people who might be in my situation or another situation unlike my but also in need of supports so that they have an easier go of it than I have. This idea that it's a simple "your choice, your consequence" argument is basically only an argument in theory because whenever presented with basically any case ever, there is always the backdown for circumstances. There are circumstances basically every time. Raped by positions of authority or friends or family members or whatever. It's disturbing to hear and eye-opening to understand. My situation is honestly one of the lesser situations insofar as arguments for abortions go in my view, though I'm definitely not going to try to force others to share that view.

There really aren't cases out there where women are just going out there and having a bunch of abortions because it's easier basically don't exist. The closest thing I've encountered to something like that are women who were sexually abused as children and wind up with a whole host of mental health issues surrounding sexual activity later in life because of it and then decide to have abortions. I'm of two minds on those cases but really can't necessarily find it in me to suggest that banning abortion is a better idea than continuing the cycle of bringing in more children who will be sexually abused by their fathers or the partners of those women. Really, that's an argument for other kinds of supports - crackdowns on sexual assaults, parental responsibilities and such. Abortions aren't something that people do for fun and they aren't the cause. They're the symptom. Banning them isn't going to solve any more problems than banning persistent lumps and swollen glands will in cancer patients. Handle the other stuff and watch abortion rates decline. There are always far too many people who aren't willing to handle that other stuff, though, because it's hard and involves owning their own **** (again, not necessarily directed at you) and it's much easier to point fingers at someone else and suggest they need to deal with their **** without even understanding what that **** actually is.

[Zonkerbl]

I'm fired up now! Gonna go listen to some Dead Kennedy's. Or do a victory lap around the office. "I won an argument on the internet! Worship me!!!"

[pancakes3]

kind of incredible how this thread is able to destroy and restore my faith in humanity on a dime

[dobrojim]

Definitely paid for an abortion or a hundred? Show proof of that, otherwise its just foolish, hateful hearsay.

So your only answer is show proof that Trump has paid for an abortion? The guy couldn’t answer a simple question when asked! I mean it must be hard to admit that all the bull you tell yourself about morals and religious values went out the door when you voted for Trump but even you know that the guy has paid for abortions. We already know he likes to raw dog pornstars. So you’re just fine with supporting an admitted rapist. Gotcha

An admitted rapist, who exactly is the rape victim? He's an admitted adulterer, and for that I think he's trash, but its a joke that in one post you talk about someone lying about the left, yet you call someone a rapist and said he's paid for abortions without any semblance of valid proof. Oh look at the interview, yeah because we know Trump's vernacular is among the best, he must be hiding something if he doesnt conduct the perfect interview.

You guys have 2020 locked up, what you needed those 2 seats in the Supreme Court too to make abortion as easily accessible as a traffic light? That's all it is. Not to mention tax the upper middle class more so YOU guys can pay less and reap more benefits, that's what all this noise is about, at least admit as much.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/a-running-list-of-the-women-whove-accused-donald-trump-of-sexual-misconduct_n_57ffae1fe4b0162c043a7212

I don't think all these TWENTY-THREE women are making accusations of rape. At least one is.

Now I'm sure you're going to say these are unsubstantiated accusations and
therefore choose not to believe any of them. One of the hardest things
for humans to do is admit that a key part of their world view is wrong.
I include myself in this.

But just remember this is the same guy being accused that bragged about
being a serial predator (when you're a celebrity, they let you get away with it)
and talked with Howard Stern about how his personal 'vietnam' PTSD was the anxiety
he suffered as a result of all the unprotected sex he had. I mean a guy could catch
AIDS that way, you know. Poor guy. But he's definitely the "most ethical of the 4".

Edit to add - there is also his predilection of NDAs. I wonder how many times
he paid off a woman to keep her mouth shut after some boorish, or much worse, behavior.

[Ruzious]

kind of incredible how this thread is able to destroy and restore my faith in humanity on a dime

At some point, I'm likely gonna "borrow" that for my tagline. I think it's observations like that that save this thread from imploding upon itself.

[Pointgod]

You're full of hate, the best day in RealGM history was the day you retired as a mod. Protecting the life of a child isn't treating women like property, what a mindless argument. And your mention of a family member of mine getting raped or me raping someone just shows how classless you and a good chunk of the give me my freebies left really are

But you'll be happy in 2020, you can stay in your 12% tax bracket while some of us fork over 28%, because its the moral, selfless thing to do, yet allowing a baby to have a chance at life, not so much.

You should be THANKING me. You're new here, so I'll repeat what I've said before: I'm not going to hide my opinions behind emotionally manipulative fake civility. If I think an opinion you hold is vile despicable crap I'm going to tell you to your face, giving you an opportunity to learn from my wisdom and become a better man. You're welcome.

Not only that but I will explain to you WHY your opinion is vile and despicable crap. I grew up in a town of 4000 people in south west Ohio screwing daughters of fathers like you. Your lousy parenting affects me. Instead of spending time having a loving and emotionally healthy relationship, and screwing like bunnies, I have to spend time with your daughter cleaning up the emotional sewage you vomited all over her, because you won't admit your delusion about murdering babies directly and pretty obviously implies you think she's not a person but just property, just a baby cannon, reinforcing the same sense of worthlessness that all of current US society dumps on her, for being too fat/too slutty/too bitchy, and if she gets raped by some guy she knew and thought was safe, it's her fault because she's just a plaything, not a person. THERE'S some constructive criticism your daughter's boyfriend probably doesn't feel comfortable saying to your face. *You're welcome.*

And when your simple minded Handmaid's Tale horsecrap drives your daughter to move three time zones away from you the first opportunity she gets and you're wondering why she hasn't talked to you for five years, well now you know. You're welcome!

And You're Welcome for paying 6x as much in taxes than you do to make your life easier. But yeah you have your poster girl AOC fighting for you to make the same as people who actually work jobs that require specific skillsets and education. You're welcome for using a fraction of the services that you do, while doing the heavy lifting in paying for it.

There's only one argument for abortion in the case of an accidental pregnancy, YOU, you being aborted would have likely been a positive. For your parents, coworkers, society as a whole, for your wife, and for the kids who you think are yours, but I'll place a bet are not.

There we go live up to those Christian values that you profess. I think I vaguely remember Jesus saying something about someone that disagreed with him should have been aborted. That was in the gospel of Matthew right?

[Pointgod]

kind of incredible how this thread is able to destroy and restore my faith in humanity on a dime

I’ve lost faith in humanity because even after Trump people all over the world keep electing right wing governments. We are doomed and to be honest we’ve done this to ourselves.

[Zonkerbl]

So, not exaggerating, the Trump administration is trying to murder immigrant children who have cancer (and other rare, deadly diseases) now:

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2019/08/26/immigrant-families-with-severely-ill-children-face-deportation-advocates-say/EMXZQURTzE0U25L6xQlYBN/story.html