2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3)

[robillionaire]

Mitch is still on the books for 2 years for 1.6 and 1.8 mil, I think we’ll know by summer 2022 if he’s worth a pay day or not

[HarthorneWingo]

i appreciate the creativity. but please explain why you disagree. I could be wrong but not sure. Rich Paul's gonna command well over 10 million a year. If we get Wiseman I'm pretty sure he can run block and alley oop on the same level as Mitch and we will have him locked up on a cheaper and longer contract

Bro, why on this virus infested Earth would you trade a talent on his rookie contract?
When are we going to stop recycling our draft picks? Players like Frank and Knox need to stick around at least until their contracts expire. Then we'll know.

Stop the recycling unknowns for top rated talent. Let these kids get their money here if they're good enough to earn it.

Agreed. At some point we have to stop chasing our tail.

[Chanel Bomber]

I am also starting to think we should consider trading Mitch Robinson. It pains me to say. But the hiring of Rich Paul as the agent scares me. I'm not ready to give 7 plus figures to a guy who hasn't shown he should start and can stay on the floor. Starting to think the move is trade him to GS for their draft pick and we pair Wiseman with a PG and RJ

i appreciate the creativity. but please explain why you disagree. I could be wrong but not sure. Rich Paul's gonna command well over 10 million a year. If we get Wiseman I'm pretty sure he can run block and alley oop on the same level as Mitch and we will have him locked up on a cheaper and longer contract

Mitch ended his first season in the league 2nd in blocked shots and 1st in blocked 3FGAs.

Finished his second season first in FG%.

Mitch is not your typical rim-runner. He has shown the ability to finish and protect the rim at a historically high level. He can be elite, if he’s not already. Now we need to develop him so that he can not only sustain that but also reach another level.

Wiseman’s scoring efficiency in high-school was quite mediocre for a top-prospect. There’s no reason to think he’ll magically improve at the next level against better competition and be as efficient as Mitch. I also highly doubt he’ll ever be as mobile and versatile as Mitch defensively.

This trade Mitch or trade RJ talk is blasphemy.

[knickstape21]

My one and only concern with Mitchell Robinson moving forward is when will he take the next step in becoming a pro. Less social media, less childish attitude/play. Show me that Pat Ewing intensity. There’s another level or two he can get to.

[3toheadmelo]

i appreciate the creativity. but please explain why you disagree. I could be wrong but not sure. Rich Paul's gonna command well over 10 million a year. If we get Wiseman I'm pretty sure he can run block and alley oop on the same level as Mitch and we will have him locked up on a cheaper and longer contract

Mitch ended his first season in the league 2nd in blocked shots and 1st in blocked 3FGAs.

Finished his second season first in FG%.

Mitch is not your typical rim-runner. He has shown the ability to finish and protect the rim at a historically high level. He can be elite, if he’s not already. Now we need to develop him so that he can not only sustain that but also reach another level.

Wiseman’s scoring efficiency in high-school was quite mediocre for a top-prospect. There’s no reason to think he’ll magically improve at the next level against better competition and be as efficient as Mitch. I also highly doubt he’ll ever be as mobile and versatile as Mitch defensively.

This trade Mitch or trade RJ talk is blasphemy.

Wiseman's TS in college was 76%. Yall need to stop putting so much stock into high school statistics. Coleslaw Anthony was very efficient in high school and it did not translate at all in college. Same for Kevin Knox

[HarthorneWingo]

i appreciate the creativity. but please explain why you disagree. I could be wrong but not sure. Rich Paul's gonna command well over 10 million a year. If we get Wiseman I'm pretty sure he can run block and alley oop on the same level as Mitch and we will have him locked up on a cheaper and longer contract

Mitch ended his first season in the league 2nd in blocked shots and 1st in blocked 3FGAs.

Finished his second season first in FG%.

Mitch is not your typical rim-runner. He has shown the ability to finish and protect the rim at a historically high level. He can be elite, if he’s not already. Now we need to develop him so that he can not only sustain that but also reach another level.

Wiseman’s scoring efficiency in high-school was quite mediocre for a top-prospect. There’s no reason to think he’ll magically improve at the next level against better competition and be as efficient as Mitch. I also highly doubt he’ll ever be as mobile and versatile as Mitch defensively.

This trade Mitch or trade RJ talk is blasphemy.

Would you trade Robinson, RJ and the two Dallas picks to Utah for Mitchell and Gobert?

[moocow007]

Mitch is still on the books for 2 years for 1.6 and 1.8 mil, I think we’ll know by summer 2022 if he’s worth a pay day or not

Hopefully now with Rich Paul being his agent (and defacto advisor) Mitch will take his game up another few notches. I'd rather pay him big bucks cause he becomes worth it in 2022 than not having to pay him cause he remains the same.

[moocow007]

i appreciate the creativity. but please explain why you disagree. I could be wrong but not sure. Rich Paul's gonna command well over 10 million a year. If we get Wiseman I'm pretty sure he can run block and alley oop on the same level as Mitch and we will have him locked up on a cheaper and longer contract

Mitch ended his first season in the league 2nd in blocked shots and 1st in blocked 3FGAs.

Finished his second season first in FG%.

Mitch is not your typical rim-runner. He has shown the ability to finish and protect the rim at a historically high level. He can be elite, if he’s not already. Now we need to develop him so that he can not only sustain that but also reach another level.

Wiseman’s scoring efficiency in high-school was quite mediocre for a top-prospect. There’s no reason to think he’ll magically improve at the next level against better competition and be as efficient as Mitch. I also highly doubt he’ll ever be as mobile and versatile as Mitch defensively.

This trade Mitch or trade RJ talk is blasphemy.

Would you trade Robinson, RJ and the two Dallas picks to Utah for Mitchell and Gobert?

I would. I would trade anyone on this team if it makes the Knicks better. My allegiance is to the team, not the players. Whatever it takes is whatever it takes.

[Clyde Frazier]

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Currently slotted as a mid second round pick. I like what i see here. Release is a little low, but he gets it off quickly and comfortably. Nice feel in the paint creating for others too. He could be your typical 4 yr PG at a big school taken in the second round that hits.

WE NEED SHOOTERS!

[moocow007]

I think you are underestimating the power of the NCAA. The concept of the 1 and done will be finished. These players will go to this new G league team or straight to the NBA. But college basketball is more than just the players. Its about the crowds, the kids, the fans, they will just market their players that spend. Multiple years in school and build them into collegiate legends. I'll still watch a great tournament game even if a Zion type player isn't in it.

It's not about all or nothing. College basketball will continue but TV revenue is driven by the Zion Williamson's of the world. That's what the masses watch and that's what gets college basketball and the NBA the revenue they get. It's no different than any other sport. It's the athletes that sell it. Otherwise there'd be no need for any team to be paying the best players, the showcase players all that money. So while what you said is a nice sentiment, it's really not true. What the NCAA will need to look at is this...is what they gain by not essentially "sharing" revenue with these elite college players better than seeing them bypassing college altogether.

[moocow007]

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Currently slotted as a mid second round pick. I like what i see here. Release is a little low, but he gets it off quickly and comfortably. Nice feel in the paint creating for others too. He could be your typical 4 yr PG at a big school taken in the second round that hits.

WE NEED SHOOTERS!

I've been talking about Winston since before he got to Michigan State. From a pure passing and feel for passing standpoint Winston is elite. Honestly, Winston probably has the best feel for passing and passing instincts in college basketball. IMHO from a passing standpoint, from a knowing where his teammates are and being able to read the floor, Winston is elite.

His "problem" and it's not necessarily a problem in the worst sense, is his overall athleticism. Without a doubt, Winston is crafty and he's smart. He's able to make up for his lack of athleticism by playing hard and making the right decisions. I think his shot is fine (definitely more fine than a guy like Haliburton). It's the rest of his game (besides the absolute top tier passing/execution and his shot) that is kinda really a major concern in terms of what can be expected of him in the NBA. He's not the quickest guy getting the ball up court so he'd have to play in more of a slower pace offense. He also will have problems creating separation and turning the corner (has problems now) so it's going to limit the type of attention he can draw away from his teammates which then likely creates less good shot opportunities. Things like that. So is he a starting PG or is he more of a backup PG and what type of system will he have to be placed in to be successful.

Winston IMO is kinda an old school PG. Heady, smart, makes the right passes, shoots. He's not someone that is going to be able to create space off the dribble or draw opposing defenses so...yeah. I don't know of any current NBA PG that Winston projects to be honestly. So it's really hard to get a good grasp of what type of player he can be. He'd probably be better on a veteran team that has a superstar or two where he can slide in and be able to play off those types of talents instead of being relied to be the true lead guard. Execute the plays, get the ball to guys that can score, go to the corner and shoot 3's. That type.

[HarthorneWingo]

Isaac Okoro at no. 6? Anybody?

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[moocow007]

Isaac Okoro at no. 6? Anybody?

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Not for me at 6. I have the following guys (in no particular order) as better options long term than Okoro:

Edwards
Wiseman
Ball
Okongwu
Hayes
Avdija

Okoro is strong and fluid physically and has terrific straight line speed. He's got relatively short arms though which may limit him in certain areas on offense and defense. He hasn't really displayed a consistent shot or ability to do anything consistently with the ball when he doesn't have a clear path to the basket. This limits him right now as more or less a finisher. Defensively he's extremely smart and mixed with his physicality and fluidity probably lends to him being a plus defender overall. I see him in the Justise Winslow type impact player in the NBA to be quite honest. A lot of the same things about his game Winslow had and I said leading up to that draft that folks were getting too carried away with Winslow as a potential elite NBA player. A very solid player? Sure. Can he become great? Possibly. But I just see more of a Winslow type, maybe an Otto Porter level player (though Porter has better physical tools for the NBA and a better shot).

I'm pretty dead set on the Knicks needing to focus on guys with high end talent and/or that project to be potential top tier players in the NBA regardless of position or defensive acumen (sorry). The 1st 6 guys I mentioned are the 6 guys in this draft that I see that has the potential of being what I call impact players (guys that can move the needle in the positive direction by themselves) in the NBA.

I also have Toppin and Cole Anthony ahead of Okoro in that regard.

I'd consider him at 9 if the 8 guys mentioned above are all gone. Him and Haliburton at 9 and 10 (no particular order).

After you get past the top 10 guys I think you have another drop. Okoro is top 10 IMO.

[moocow007]

Some other candid opinions?

I am not a fan of RJ Hampton or Tyrese Maxey and see both guys as way over hyped and lacking the type of games that will do anything significant in the NBA relative to where they're projected to go in the draft.

Jaden McDaniels has the foundation of being a guy that will just never get it in the NBA despite his talent. Another Anthony Randolph.

I think Paul Reed is one of the more underrated players in this draft. He's a super intense guy with nice length and is about as close to a 2 way front court guy as you'll find in this draft outside of Okongwu. He doesn't shoot the 3 right now but the form on his shot is excellent and when you factor in his length and great overall feel I think that can also develop into a part of his arsenal. Every time I watch Reed play I'm impressed with how consistently hard and productive he is on both ends of the floor. We're talking about a 6'9" guy that is among the NCAA leaders in steals per game AND blocks per game. Offensively he's got soft hands to go with great body control and a high energy motor that never stops. Great anticipation, great feel, great intensity. If he's around at 27 I'd be all over him. I'd honestly also try to trade up a bit if I feel he's within reach. I can see Reed as a potential John Collins level player in the NBA. Collins was drafted 19th overall and looks finally blossoming into one heck of a player worth much higher than he was drafted. Reed is projected in the same range and I think he too will become a player that we'll look back on and say he should have been drafted quite a bit higher.

[HarthorneWingo]

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[Chanel Bomber]

i appreciate the creativity. but please explain why you disagree. I could be wrong but not sure. Rich Paul's gonna command well over 10 million a year. If we get Wiseman I'm pretty sure he can run block and alley oop on the same level as Mitch and we will have him locked up on a cheaper and longer contract

Mitch ended his first season in the league 2nd in blocked shots and 1st in blocked 3FGAs.

Finished his second season first in FG%.

Mitch is not your typical rim-runner. He has shown the ability to finish and protect the rim at a historically high level. He can be elite, if he’s not already. Now we need to develop him so that he can not only sustain that but also reach another level.

Wiseman’s scoring efficiency in high-school was quite mediocre for a top-prospect. There’s no reason to think he’ll magically improve at the next level against better competition and be as efficient as Mitch. I also highly doubt he’ll ever be as mobile and versatile as Mitch defensively.

This trade Mitch or trade RJ talk is blasphemy.

Would you trade Robinson, RJ and the two Dallas picks to Utah for Mitchell and Gobert?

Hell no. And you?

Forget the picks, I wouldn’t trade RJ and Mitch for Mitchell and Gobert straight up. I wouldn’t even trade RJ for both.

I desperately want to see homegrown players drive the success of this franchise, not any mercenaries (I don’t really count Melo as one because he really wanted to come here but that’s another topic). I think the journey as a fan would be infinitely more rewarding and exciting.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Some other candid opinions?

I am not a fan of RJ Hampton or Tyrese Maxey and see both guys as way over hyped and lacking the type of games that will do anything significant in the NBA relative to where they're projected to go in the draft.

Jaden McDaniels has the foundation of being a guy that will just never get it in the NBA despite his talent. Another Anthony Randolph.

I think Paul Reed is one of the more underrated players in this draft. He's a super intense guy with nice length and is about as close to a 2 way front court guy as you'll find in this draft outside of Okongwu. He doesn't shoot the 3 right now but the form on his shot is excellent and when you factor in his length and great overall feel I think that can also develop into a part of his arsenal. Every time I watch Reed play I'm impressed with how consistently hard and productive he is on both ends of the floor. We're talking about a 6'9" guy that is among the NCAA leaders in steals per game AND blocks per game. Offensively he's got soft hands to go with great body control and a high energy motor that never stops. Great anticipation, great feel, great intensity. If he's around at 27 I'd be all over him. I'd honestly also try to trade up a bit if I feel he's within reach. I can see Reed as a potential John Collins level player in the NBA. Collins was drafted 19th overall and looks finally blossoming into one heck of a player worth much higher than he was drafted. Reed is projected in the same range and I think he too will become a player that we'll look back on and say he should have been drafted quite a bit higher.

I like Paul Reed a lot. Would love to grab him with one of our later picks.

[Chanel Bomber]

i appreciate the creativity. but please explain why you disagree. I could be wrong but not sure. Rich Paul's gonna command well over 10 million a year. If we get Wiseman I'm pretty sure he can run block and alley oop on the same level as Mitch and we will have him locked up on a cheaper and longer contract

Mitch ended his first season in the league 2nd in blocked shots and 1st in blocked 3FGAs.

Finished his second season first in FG%.

Mitch is not your typical rim-runner. He has shown the ability to finish and protect the rim at a historically high level. He can be elite, if he’s not already. Now we need to develop him so that he can not only sustain that but also reach another level.

Wiseman’s scoring efficiency in high-school was quite mediocre for a top-prospect. There’s no reason to think he’ll magically improve at the next level against better competition and be as efficient as Mitch. I also highly doubt he’ll ever be as mobile and versatile as Mitch defensively.

This trade Mitch or trade RJ talk is blasphemy.

Wiseman's TS in college was 76%. Yall need to stop putting so much stock into high school statistics. Coleslaw Anthony was very efficient in high school and it did not translate at all in college. Same for Kevin Knox

76%? For real?

[jvsimonetti0514]

Isaac Okoro at no. 6? Anybody?

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I think if we’re looking for a defensive wing, I think I’d rather take a shot at someone like Devin Vassell. He’s already got a jumper and is an elite defender.

[jvsimonetti0514]

Mitch ended his first season in the league 2nd in blocked shots and 1st in blocked 3FGAs.

Finished his second season first in FG%.

Mitch is not your typical rim-runner. He has shown the ability to finish and protect the rim at a historically high level. He can be elite, if he’s not already. Now we need to develop him so that he can not only sustain that but also reach another level.

Wiseman’s scoring efficiency in high-school was quite mediocre for a top-prospect. There’s no reason to think he’ll magically improve at the next level against better competition and be as efficient as Mitch. I also highly doubt he’ll ever be as mobile and versatile as Mitch defensively.

This trade Mitch or trade RJ talk is blasphemy.

Wiseman's TS in college was 76%. Yall need to stop putting so much stock into high school statistics. Coleslaw Anthony was very efficient in high school and it did not translate at all in college. Same for Kevin Knox

76%? For real?

Wiseman played 3 games and two of them against scrub teams. Not sure if that’s large enough of a sample size for that number to matter.