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[wallus]

*overreaction trade szn

MKE: McCollum, Hood, Trent Jr, Giles
PDX: Middleton, Lopez

I'd do that right. They have to take dja tho.

Hard pass for POR.

The difference between KM and CJ is not Trent, Hood and eating the Blowpez contract.

What took you so long?

[EugeneBucksFan]

Can a returning Jrue right the ship? Since Jrue went out, we're 1-5 and 26th in point differential. It seems like a distant memory but when Jrue went out, we had the #1 SRS and point differential in the league.

I hope he does but I am not that confident. Jrue is a great player and character and he is definitely important for the team but let's be honest. What can he do to fix Brook's bad defending behavior? What he can do to help Khris be a better ball handler and fix his confidence? What can he do when there are so many coaching things wrong...

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[BroncoBuck]

Can a returning Jrue right the ship? Since Jrue went out, we're 1-5 and 26th in point differential. It seems like a distant memory but when Jrue went out, we had the #1 SRS and point differential in the league.

I hope he does but I am not that confident. Jrue is a great player and character and he is definitely important for the team but let's be honest. What can he do to fix Brook's bad defending behavior? What he can do to help Khris be a better ball handler and fix his confidence? What can he do when there are so many coaching things wrong...

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You can’t double Khris when Jrue is on the floor with him. Nurse doubled Khris giving Giannis room at the top of the arc knowing that Giannis isn’t a shooter. If you double Khris with Jrue on the floor you’re giving Jrue points either on his own shooting/driving or a free passing lane.

Nurse saw that Khris has been the Bucks only shot creator without Jrue and took that away. It’s that simple. The Bucks don’t have the stud bench players they used to. They can’t overcome one of their big 3 missing games, they don’t have the depth anymore.

[EugeneBucksFan]

Can a returning Jrue right the ship? Since Jrue went out, we're 1-5 and 26th in point differential. It seems like a distant memory but when Jrue went out, we had the #1 SRS and point differential in the league.

I hope he does but I am not that confident. Jrue is a great player and character and he is definitely important for the team but let's be honest. What can he do to fix Brook's bad defending behavior? What he can do to help Khris be a better ball handler and fix his confidence? What can he do when there are so many coaching things wrong...

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You can’t double Khris when Jrue is on the floor with him. Nurse doubled Khris giving Giannis room at the top of the arc knowing that Giannis isn’t a shooter. If you double Khris with Jrue on the floor you’re giving Jrue points either on his own shooting/driving or a free passing lane.

Nurse saw that Khris has been the Bucks only shot creator without Jrue and took that away. It’s that simple. The Bucks don’t have the stud bench players they used to. They can’t overcome one of their big 3 missing games, they don’t have the depth anymore.

Let's hope they will find a way to turn this around. I've said it before, no one guarantees that jrue will be in good condition after dealing with the virus. Which means that they might have to play more games without him or games where he struggles like other players that contracted Covid. So they have to find solutions quickly. Jrue's influence in the game is undeniable but they have to find ways to overcome his absence. DJ is not the answer, nor anyone else from our bench so they either have to work on different plays or try something out before the deadline.

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[Ron Swanson]

Go back to November. The deal for CP3 would've/should've been Bledsoe, Ersan, DJ, the 24th pick, and a future 1st (literally any one of the 4 that we sent out for Holiday). Even if you still give Pat the contract, you keep Hill and retain depth while not handing out the garbage contract to Augustin and still having the flexibility to sign Portis and Forbes. Hell maybe even not botching the BB trade convinces Matthews to re-sign on a 1-year knowing he'd have a bigger role instead of having his butt planted on the bench in LA. You have all your future picks outside of 2022 as trade-able assets to upgrade the roster in future deals. You're in the luxury tax but who cares? You still buy the 2nd for Nwora and the cheap contract slot.

Paul/Hill/*insert vet minimum guard*
Donte/Wes(maybe)/Forbes/Pat
Middleton/Craig/Nwora
Giannis/Portis/Diakite
Brook/*insert veteran buyout big*

+ your picks intact

Who doesn't like both the immediate returns of this roster as well as the better long term outlook given the flexibility it gives you ($60+ million coming off the books after the 2022 season)? This (was) the way.

[tydett]

Go back to November. The deal for CP3 would've/should've been Bledsoe, Ersan, DJ, the 24th pick, and a future 1st (literally any one of the 4 that we sent out for Holiday). Even if you still give Pat the contract, you keep Hill and retain depth while not handing out the garbage contract to Augustin and still having the flexibility to sign Portis and Forbes. Hell maybe even not botching the BB trade convinces Matthews to re-sign on a 1-year knowing he'd have a bigger role instead of having his butt planted on the bench in LA. You have all your future picks outside of 2022 as trade-able assets to upgrade the roster in future deals. You're in the luxury tax but who cares? You still buy the 2nd for Nwora and the cheap contract slot.

Paul/Hill/*insert vet minimum guard*
Donte/Wes(maybe)/Forbes/Pat
Middleton/Craig/Nwora
Giannis/Portis/Diakite
Brook/*insert veteran buyout big*

+ your picks intact

Who doesn't like both the immediate returns of this roster as well as the better long term outlook given the flexibility it gives you ($60+ million coming off the books after the 2022 season)? This (was) the way.

But I heard talk around here that Paul was probably cooked and would be an albatross.

[EugeneBucksFan]

Paul would be the most obvious case to improve this team without having to sacrifice our future plus he is a pick n roll god (which could prove lethal with Giannis) . But I guess that's not how the bucks organization works... and the fact that they didn't even consider it is even scarier.

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[ShootingtheJ]

Bucks in: Delon Wright
Bucks out: DJA, DJW, 2023 2nd rounder

Magic in: DJA, DJW
Magic out: Amino, 2022 2nd rounder

Pistons in: Amino, 2- 2nd rounders
Pistons out Delon Wright

Wright fits our offense, can play and defend either guard position, and has positive playoff experience.

[jute2003]

Go back to November. The deal for CP3 would've/should've been Bledsoe, Ersan, DJ, the 24th pick, and a future 1st (literally any one of the 4 that we sent out for Holiday). Even if you still give Pat the contract, you keep Hill and retain depth while not handing out the garbage contract to Augustin and still having the flexibility to sign Portis and Forbes. Hell maybe even not botching the BB trade convinces Matthews to re-sign on a 1-year knowing he'd have a bigger role instead of having his butt planted on the bench in LA. You have all your future picks outside of 2022 as trade-able assets to upgrade the roster in future deals. You're in the luxury tax but who cares? You still buy the 2nd for Nwora and the cheap contract slot.

Paul/Hill/*insert vet minimum guard*
Donte/Wes(maybe)/Forbes/Pat
Middleton/Craig/Nwora
Giannis/Portis/Diakite
Brook/*insert veteran buyout big*

+ your picks intact

Who doesn't like both the immediate returns of this roster as well as the better long term outlook given the flexibility it gives you ($60+ million coming off the books after the 2022 season)? This (was) the way.

But I heard talk around here that Paul was probably cooked and would be an albatross.

The bigger concern was that Giannis didn't want anything to do with him and that he is a prick.

[emunney]

I think the Thunder got better value than that for Paul, and the trade wouldn't have worked salary wise.

[StickeeFingaz]

A lot of folks here, including myself, identified Paul as the guy to address many of our weaknesses, but did everybody here forget it was reported Giannis didn’t want to play with Paul?

Once that was reported, several posters (including myself) made comments to the effect of “disappointing Giannis doesn’t want to bring Paul in because of his strong personality, gotta get over yourself.”

[Ron Swanson]

I don't care about the rumor that Giannis didn't like Paul. Unless he flat out told me that he wouldn't sign the extension unless we make moves X,Y,Z, then we need to stop using that as an excuse to justify why we mortgaged everything in the Holiday trade. Everyone thought for weeks that Bogdan was "his guy" that would get him to accept the super-max and he signed anyways despite the fiasco that ensued.

[German Athens]

[quote="Ron Swanson"]Go back to November. The deal for CP3 would've/should've been Bledsoe, Ersan, DJ, the 24th pick, and a future 1st (literally any one of the 4 that we sent out for Holiday). Even if you still give Pat the contract, you keep Hill and retain depth while not handing out the garbage contract to Augustin and still having the flexibility to sign Portis and Forbes. Hell maybe even not botching the BB trade convinces Matthews to re-sign on a 1-year knowing he'd have a bigger role instead of having his butt planted on the bench in LA. You have all your future picks outside of 2022 as trade-able assets to upgrade the roster in future deals. You're in the luxury tax but who cares? You still buy the 2nd for Nwora and the cheap contract slot.

Paul/Hill/*insert vet minimum guard*
Donte/Wes(maybe)/Forbes/Pat
Middleton/Craig/Nwora
Giannis/Portis/Diakite
Brook/*insert veteran buyout big*

+ your picks intact

Who doesn't like both the immediate returns of this roster as well as the better long term outlook given the flexibility it gives you ($60+ million coming off the books after the 2022 season)? This (was) the way.[/quote

We gave up 3 firsts for Jrue not 4, and then 2 pick swaps. Unless you’re saying after the 2020 draft pick, we gave up 2 firsts and then 2 pick swaps, and that’s how you’re coming to 4.

[ShootingtheJ]

Go back to November. The deal for CP3 would've/should've been Bledsoe, Ersan, DJ, the 24th pick, and a future 1st (literally any one of the 4 that we sent out for Holiday). Even if you still give Pat the contract, you keep Hill and retain depth while not handing out the garbage contract to Augustin and still having the flexibility to sign Portis and Forbes. Hell maybe even not botching the BB trade convinces Matthews to re-sign on a 1-year knowing he'd have a bigger role instead of having his butt planted on the bench in LA. You have all your future picks outside of 2022 as trade-able assets to upgrade the roster in future deals. You're in the luxury tax but who cares? You still buy the 2nd for Nwora and the cheap contract slot.

Paul/Hill/*insert vet minimum guard*
Donte/Wes(maybe)/Forbes/Pat
Middleton/Craig/Nwora
Giannis/Portis/Diakite
Brook/*insert veteran buyout big*

+ your picks intact

Who doesn't like both the immediate returns of this roster as well as the better long term outlook given the flexibility it gives you ($60+ million coming off the books after the 2022 season)? This (was) the way.

How do we have all our future firsts when we give up a future 1st in your proposal?

Also we didn't give up 4- 1sts in the Jrue trade.

The right move would have been to expand the Jrue trade, absorbing contracts into it, like Delon Wright.

Then we could have skipped signing DJA and avoided being hard capped.

However, I think Lasry wanted to be hardcapped, to limit how much luxury tax we'd pay. We've operated as a cheapskate organization with him in charge.

[mcfromage]

Bucks in: Delon Wright
Bucks out: DJA, DJW, 2023 2nd rounder

Magic in: DJA, DJW
Magic out: Amino, 2022 2nd rounder

Pistons in: Amino, 2- 2nd rounders
Pistons out Delon Wright

Wright fits our offense, can play and defend either guard position, and has positive playoff experience.

Wright would be a great pickup, strongly support this idea.

[StickeeFingaz]

I don't care about the rumor that Giannis didn't like Paul. Unless he flat out told me that he wouldn't sign the extension unless we make moves X,Y,Z, then we need to stop using that as an excuse to justify why we mortgaged everything in the Holiday trade. Everyone thought for weeks that Bogdan was "his guy" that would get him to accept the super-max and he signed anyways despite the fiasco that ensued.

It’s not an excuse to justify the Holiday deal. It’s a legitimate reason for why the FO didn’t pursue CP3.

The number one priority was to get Giannis to sign the super max. It was reported by Nehm (national reporters were the ones sharing the Bogdan info) that Giannis had no interest in playing with Paul. I think that’s significant information that the FO needed to take into account. If they ignored it, they were taking a crazy risk.

[tski1972]

I’m good with Delon Wright.

[DingleJerry]

Well if that's true on Giannis the question is why or what is his motivation? If it's because CP is heavy ballhandling and running the PnR and Giannis wants to do that stuff himself, well then we have a problem here imo. He needs to be coached away from that and/or at least we need to stop listening to him on roster building. If it's just personalities stuff well then it is what it is. I've certainly been one that's heard all the CP is a prick stuff and generally believe it, but OKC seemed to go pretty well and so has PHX so far.

Pretty much no one here including me would've wanted to take him on in the 2019 offseason after the rough Houston finish and 3 years left on the deal. I'm sure us finding salary to add up would've been tough, but just think if they could've got him while getting paid in 1sts to take him on. Assuming he stayed healthy like he has, they'd be sitting pretty right now.

[LuessiT]

I’m good with Delon Wright.

I'm really not. I guess he's better than DJA but that would mean that the FO hasn't learned what's wrong with the team. What we need from role players is high energy, defensive responsibility and a decent 3 ball off the catch. Wright only triggers one of those boxes.

I'm not exactly sure how low DJA's value is but I'm somewhat confident that you can only trade him versus some other teams trash. Maybe I'm wrong but his contact looks baaaaad.

[emunney]

Brook, DJA, Donte for Rubio, Nowell, Vanderbilt

We forget about bulk in favor of the ability to hard double the post that comes with the improved footspeed. Jrue gets to move off ball in favor of a true point. Nowell has some defensive upside and scoring chops that Donte does not. We cede shooting, but Nowell will explode with the shot quality he finds here.