Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4

[Tomjas]

From Damian Lillard to Collin Sexton lol

It’s not necessarily that. It’s sexton, Rubio,+2 unprotected firsts and 2 swaps or Beasley and McDaniels and those picks. That’s it for me. I would rather take the shot on Sexton plus the picks than the wolves **** package. Everyone talks about how the cavs have no shooting and adding Ben would be rough for them and their offense, well sexton just averaged 24 a game at 21 years old with that same terrible spacing, and not on like monte Ellis 42 percent from the field, he shot 48 from the field and 38 from 3

There are reasons why the Cavs don’t want to pay him

Sexton plays zero defence and is a massive ball hog

A backcourt of he and Curry/Maxey is dumpster fire Blazers

[Sportfan73]

From Damian Lillard to Collin Sexton lol

It’s not necessarily that. It’s sexton, Rubio,+2 unprotected firsts and 2 swaps or Beasley and McDaniels and those picks. That’s it for me. I would rather take the shot on Sexton plus the picks than the wolves **** package. Everyone talks about how the cavs have no shooting and adding Ben would be rough for them and their offense, well sexton just averaged 24 a game at 21 years old with that same terrible spacing, and not on like monte Ellis 42 percent from the field, he shot 48 from the field and 38 from 3

There are reasons why the Cavs don’t want to pay him

Sexton plays zero defence and is a massive ball hog

A backcourt of he and Curry/Maxey is dumpster fire Blazers

Doesn’t mean he would be here, doesn’t mean that taking a lotto ticket on him couldn’t turn out to be great, Beasley lives in legal trouble and McDaniels would get zero playing time here

[Stanford]

From Damian Lillard to Collin Sexton lol

When did we have Lillard

[Tomjas]

It’s not necessarily that. It’s sexton, Rubio,+2 unprotected firsts and 2 swaps or Beasley and McDaniels and those picks. That’s it for me. I would rather take the shot on Sexton plus the picks than the wolves **** package. Everyone talks about how the cavs have no shooting and adding Ben would be rough for them and their offense, well sexton just averaged 24 a game at 21 years old with that same terrible spacing, and not on like monte Ellis 42 percent from the field, he shot 48 from the field and 38 from 3

There are reasons why the Cavs don’t want to pay him

Sexton plays zero defence and is a massive ball hog

A backcourt of he and Curry/Maxey is dumpster fire Blazers

Doesn’t mean he would be here, doesn’t mean that taking a lotto ticket on him couldn’t turn out to be great, Beasley lives in legal trouble and McDaniels would get zero playing time here

Don’t want any of them

Taking a massive punt when Joel has a limited window is totally irresponsible

[Sportfan73]

There are reasons why the Cavs don’t want to pay him

Sexton plays zero defence and is a massive ball hog

A backcourt of he and Curry/Maxey is dumpster fire Blazers

Doesn’t mean he would be here, doesn’t mean that taking a lotto ticket on him couldn’t turn out to be great, Beasley lives in legal trouble and McDaniels would get zero playing time here

Don’t want any of them

Fair enough. Sextons numbers compared to Mitchell’s at the same age and point in their careers are scary similar. I wouldn’t just write it off. He’s a value play that comes with picks and swaps that we wanted plus a guy who put up 24 a game at age 21. Like compare it to all of the other stuff that’s been thrown around. We’re not getting dame, we’re not getting fox, were not getting lavine, hell we’re not getting Haliburton. If it doesn’t work he’s a rfa we can do a sign and trade with.

[Sportfan73]

There are reasons why the Cavs don’t want to pay him

Sexton plays zero defence and is a massive ball hog

A backcourt of he and Curry/Maxey is dumpster fire Blazers

Doesn’t mean he would be here, doesn’t mean that taking a lotto ticket on him couldn’t turn out to be great, Beasley lives in legal trouble and McDaniels would get zero playing time here

Don’t want any of them

Taking a massive punt when Joel has a limited window is totally irresponsible

So do you want CJ? Brogdon?

[Tomjas]

Doesn’t mean he would be here, doesn’t mean that taking a lotto ticket on him couldn’t turn out to be great, Beasley lives in legal trouble and McDaniels would get zero playing time here

Don’t want any of them

Fair enough. Sextons numbers compared to Mitchell’s at the same age and point in their careers are scary similar. I wouldn’t just write it off. He’s a value play that comes with picks and swaps that we wanted plus a guy who put up 24 a game at age 21. Like compare it to all of the other stuff that’s been thrown around. We’re not getting dame, we’re not getting fox, were not getting lavine, hell we’re not getting Haliburton. If it doesn’t work he’s a rfa we can do a sign and trade with.

Utah has been dumped out of the playoffs in 2 consecutive seasons because their perimeter defence has been shredded and Gobert exposed by guards

You can write this season off if Sexton is the centrepiece of a Ben trade

Then Joel’s supermax kicks in 2 years from now and we will be hamstrung from that point so that narrows the window to a few months

[Tomjas]

Doesn’t mean he would be here, doesn’t mean that taking a lotto ticket on him couldn’t turn out to be great, Beasley lives in legal trouble and McDaniels would get zero playing time here

Don’t want any of them

Taking a massive punt when Joel has a limited window is totally irresponsible

So do you want CJ? Brogdon?

CJ + for Ben & try to get Murray from the Spurs to shore up the defence

Any Ben trade is likely to be multi team

[sixers4real]

Don’t want any of them

Fair enough. Sextons numbers compared to Mitchell’s at the same age and point in their careers are scary similar. I wouldn’t just write it off. He’s a value play that comes with picks and swaps that we wanted plus a guy who put up 24 a game at age 21. Like compare it to all of the other stuff that’s been thrown around. We’re not getting dame, we’re not getting fox, were not getting lavine, hell we’re not getting Haliburton. If it doesn’t work he’s a rfa we can do a sign and trade with.

Utah has been dumped out of the playoffs in 2 consecutive seasons because their perimeter defence has been shredded and Gobert exposed by guards

You can write this season off if Sexton is the centrepiece of a Ben trade

Then Joel’s supermax kicks in 2 years from now and we will be hamstrung from that point so that narrows the window to a few months

I already did unless we somehow get Lillard or Ingram for Simmons+

[Embiid P]

Don’t want any of them

Taking a massive punt when Joel has a limited window is totally irresponsible

So do you want CJ? Brogdon?

CJ + for Ben & try to get Murray from the Spurs to shore up the defence

Any Ben trade is likely to be multi team

This IMO is the worst thing Morey can do. Not only does it not put us closer to title contention, but we can pretty much kiss any chance of acquiring a star player down the road goodbye. That's why it's critical to obtain future assets and/or high end prospects in any deal involving Simmons in the event that a star player becomes available even if it ends up costing us seeding in the playoffs this year. We all witnessed how little getting the top seed in the east meant last year.

[MavCarter]

I havent been paying attention is ben still getting traded

[Sportfan73]

So do you want CJ? Brogdon?

CJ + for Ben & try to get Murray from the Spurs to shore up the defence

Any Ben trade is likely to be multi team

This IMO is the worst thing Morey can do. Not only does it not put us closer to title contention, but we can pretty much kiss any chance of acquiring a star player down the road goodbye. That's why it's critical to obtain future assets and/or high end prospects in any deal involving Simmons in the event that a star player becomes available even if it ends up costing us seeding in the playoffs this year. We all witnessed how little getting the top seed in the east meant last year.

And the best thing we can do is multiple tickets to stardom. Like enough picks and swaps from Cleveland to include in a dame trade with Maxey/Thybulle ect, and taking a chance on a 22 year old that’s coming off a pretty efficient 24 ppg season on a team that has no spacing. If it doesn’t work you just do a sign and trade to where ever next offseason? Or even move on at the deadline. If it does work then you just got a 22 year old lead guard to pair with jo for his entire prime. Like we’ve seen guys make WAY BIGGER drastic leaps into stardom when placed in the right situation.

[Tomjas]

So do you want CJ? Brogdon?

CJ + for Ben & try to get Murray from the Spurs to shore up the defence

Any Ben trade is likely to be multi team

This IMO is the worst thing Morey can do. Not only does it not put us closer to title contention, but we can pretty much kiss any chance of acquiring a star player down the road goodbye. That's why it's critical to obtain future assets and/or high end prospects in any deal involving Simmons in the event that a star player becomes available even if it ends up costing us seeding in the playoffs this year. We all witnessed how little getting the top seed in the east meant last year.

Then trade Ben for expirings, prospects and picks and sit Joel for extended periods

Reality is that we’re going to be worse anyway so might as well go for the Hail Mary

[GutUNC]

It’s not necessarily that. It’s sexton, Rubio,+2 unprotected firsts and 2 swaps or Beasley and McDaniels and those picks. That’s it for me. I would rather take the shot on Sexton plus the picks than the wolves **** package. Everyone talks about how the cavs have no shooting and adding Ben would be rough for them and their offense, well sexton just averaged 24 a game at 21 years old with that same terrible spacing, and not on like monte Ellis 42 percent from the field, he shot 48 from the field and 38 from 3

There are reasons why the Cavs don’t want to pay him

Sexton plays zero defence and is a massive ball hog

A backcourt of he and Curry/Maxey is dumpster fire Blazers

Doesn’t mean he would be here, doesn’t mean that taking a lotto ticket on him couldn’t turn out to be great, Beasley lives in legal trouble and McDaniels would get zero playing time here

If we're going to bank on a guy doing the complete opposite of what he's done up until this point in his career, let's just keep Simmons and make the locker next to his a gaming console or something.

[Mik317]

Ben Simmons will never play another game for the Sixers

All of this call his bluff. Let him sit out. And whatnot is not realistic IMO.

Doesn't mean trade him for dirt but Morey got got by not lowering his price a bit near the draft and prior to FA when teams are more willing to make moves. It was a valid tactic but it backfired and now w/ his camp making noise the time for those games are over.

Sexton is not perfect. Beasley is a bad day away from jail time. Derrick White is injury prone and Murray is another non shooting klutch guy. Hali and Fox aren't on the board. Dame isn't walking through that door. There is no magic move to make that makes everyone happy or even one that makes us obviously better. We have to bank on improvement for our youth and hope that Embiid can raise the floor of whatever flawed dude we get back and that and hopefully some picks can be used to attract talent down the line but the bottom line IMO is that Ben is done here and moving him before the season is needed if only to get the stink off the team and allow them to focus on the season. Walking on eggshells and awaiting the obvious move does not help anyone...I mean we saw it wreck Ben himself last year.

its time. Let it go. Move on.

[Sportfan73]

There are reasons why the Cavs don’t want to pay him

Sexton plays zero defence and is a massive ball hog

A backcourt of he and Curry/Maxey is dumpster fire Blazers

Doesn’t mean he would be here, doesn’t mean that taking a lotto ticket on him couldn’t turn out to be great, Beasley lives in legal trouble and McDaniels would get zero playing time here

If we're going to bank on a guy doing the complete opposite of what he's done up until this point in his career, let's just keep Simmons and make the locker next to his a gaming console or something.

One is 22 and has improved every year, one is 25 and at least on one end hasn’t at all. Man the negativity here lately

[GutUNC]

Doesn’t mean he would be here, doesn’t mean that taking a lotto ticket on him couldn’t turn out to be great, Beasley lives in legal trouble and McDaniels would get zero playing time here

If we're going to bank on a guy doing the complete opposite of what he's done up until this point in his career, let's just keep Simmons and make the locker next to his a gaming console or something.

One is 22 and has improved every year, one is 25 and at least on one end hasn’t at all. Man the negativity here lately

He didn't improve, he shot more. And he's a year away from having to be overpaid.

If you can get a pile of futures with him then great but I doubt that's the case. If the star isn't out there (and he isn't), get the pile of futures to turn in to one and have some optionality. If this is the last move, you've already failed.

[Sportfan73]

If we're going to bank on a guy doing the complete opposite of what he's done up until this point in his career, let's just keep Simmons and make the locker next to his a gaming console or something.

One is 22 and has improved every year, one is 25 and at least on one end hasn’t at all. Man the negativity here lately

He didn't improve, he shot more. And he's a year away from having to be overpaid.

If you can get a pile of futures with him then great but I doubt that's the case. If the star isn't out there (and he isn't), get the pile of futures to turn in to one and have some optionality. If this is the last move, you've already failed.

You are 100 percent getting the pile of futures with him, that’s the point. I’m not comparing him to a fox or Ingram package but to being better than the twolves package.

[FlyingArrow]

If we're going to bank on a guy doing the complete opposite of what he's done up until this point in his career, let's just keep Simmons and make the locker next to his a gaming console or something.

One is 22 and has improved every year, one is 25 and at least on one end hasn’t at all. Man the negativity here lately

He didn't improve, he shot more. And he's a year away from having to be overpaid.

If you can get a pile of futures with him then great but I doubt that's the case. If the star isn't out there (and he isn't), get the pile of futures to turn in to one and have some optionality. If this is the last move, you've already failed.

He did improve. I'd even say that he improved significantly. The problem is that he started out SOOOOO bad. Look at his advanced stats. PER: 12 -> 16.3 -> 18.0. TS%: .520 -> .560 -> .573. WS48: -0.011 -> .057 -> .080. NET RTG: -20 -> -10 -> -7.

Unfortunately, he's still not very good. He's barely a positive impact player, but he was downright horrible his rookie season and very mediocre his 2nd season. At this point, he's good enough to start and be a 4th or 5th option on a winning team. But not if his usage rate is as high as it has been. The high usage has to go to options #1 and #2 if the team is going to win. And he's not worth anywhere near a max contract.

On the other hand, he has been improving. If the trend continues, maybe he can be a star. Or maybe on a team with Tobias and Embiid he can dial down his usage and be even more efficient. His reputation does not indicate that will happen.

[GutUNC]

One is 22 and has improved every year, one is 25 and at least on one end hasn’t at all. Man the negativity here lately

He didn't improve, he shot more. And he's a year away from having to be overpaid.

If you can get a pile of futures with him then great but I doubt that's the case. If the star isn't out there (and he isn't), get the pile of futures to turn in to one and have some optionality. If this is the last move, you've already failed.

You are 100 percent getting the pile of futures with him, that’s the point. I’m not comparing him to a fox or Ingram package but to being better than the twolves package.

You're naming "packages" like we know what they are from anyone. I think we'd be way more likely to get a large draft pick package for the trash MIN is willing to move then for Sexton, for the very reasons you're listing here as to why he'd be such a good pickup.