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Post#1021 » by Yallbecrazy » Mon Apr 22, 2024 12:08 pm

They just post their own big board and put it in draft order. Honestly mocks are useless, I just want to stay informed so like last year I can see who gets a steal (like Podz) and whose front office is inept and drafts someone like Hood Schifino.
Also, I want to know how to feel about our draft pick.
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Post#1022 » by Psubs » Mon Apr 22, 2024 12:37 pm

Yallbecrazy wrote:They just post their own big board and put it in draft order. Honestly mocks are useless, I just want to stay informed so like last year I can see who gets a steal (like Podz) and whose front office is inept and drafts someone like Hood Schifino.
Also, I want to know how to feel about our draft pick.


GS got Podz, but they picked Wiseman, when they should've drafted Lamelo. With drafting Lamelo, might've finsished better and still drafted Moody but now also draft Sengun. Both those drafts, I was hoping that they wouldn't draft either and they passed on both. Kind of like hoping the Knicks didn't draft Demar Derozan and they took Jordan Hill. :D

PG LaMelo - Curry
SG Curry - Moody
SF Klay - Wiggins
PF Draymond - Sengun
C Sengun - Looney - TJD
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Post#1023 » by Psubs » Mon Apr 22, 2024 12:43 pm

Mark_83 wrote:My monthly Hunter Sallis plug. One of the better off the dribble scorers in this draft, and he projects to be an excellent guard defender. I do wanna see how he measures out at the combine, to determine whether he's switchable up to the 3.



I saw him mocked top 5 before he went to Gonzaga. I would be cool with him with #31.

I might go Reed/Castle, Chomche, Sallis.

PG IQ - Castle - JFL
SG Dick - Castle/Sallis
SF Barrett - Dick - Ochai
PF Barnes - Olynyk/Barrett
C Poeltl - Olynyk - Chomche

Though I do like Carlton Carrington more since he is a PG/SG and younger.
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Post#1024 » by grant101 » Mon Apr 22, 2024 1:00 pm

Mark_83 wrote:My monthly Hunter Sallis plug. One of the better off the dribble scorers in this draft, and he projects to be an excellent guard defender. I do wanna see how he measures out at the combine, to determine whether he's switchable up to the 3.

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I'm a fan, and think he's got the potential to be better than a lot of the other options people are kicking around @ 17 in the event that Collier, Carter and McCain are off the board.
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Post#1026 » by OAKLEY_2 » Mon Apr 22, 2024 1:49 pm

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DG88 wrote:BR new mock draft

The 2024 NBA draft lottery odds are set* with the Detroit Pistons and Washington Wizards favorites to win the first pick. Both franchises will have a 14.0 percent chance at No. 1 overall.

The Portland Trail Blazers are a spot behind them at 13.3 percent, then the Charlotte Hornets at 13.2 percent, and the San Antonio Spurs have a 10.5 percent chance of adding anyone they want to pair with Victor Wembanyama.

The most interesting ping pong balls to watch will be the Toronto Raptors—they'll give their pick to the Spurs if it lands outside the top six.

With no consensus top prospect, rankings or tiers, that means fit will play a bigger role than usual when predicting the draft.

The NBA combine in May will be the next big opportunity for prospects to move the needle, which is something we see many do year after year in Chicago.


6. Toronto Raptors: Stephon Castle
Previous Mock Draft Spot: No. 5

Team: Connecticut

Position: SG

Size: 6'6", 215 lbs

Age/Year: 19, Freshman

Nationality: American

Pro Comparison: Anthony Black

The Toronto Raptors are in the No. 6 spot pre-lottery, and they'll need to remain in the top six to avoid having to send their pick to the San Antonio Spurs.

Keeping it could lead them to looking hard at Stephon Castle after a strong national title run, where he was able to showcase his scoring versatility, comfortable playmaking and defense.

His shooting will remain a hot topic and a likely weakness early in his career. But aside from it being improvable, he has shown he can impact games in a variety of other ways, and he has the mentality and unselfishness to thrive to prioritize winning plays over scoring stats.

Between Amen Thompson, Anthony Black, Dyson Daniels, Jeremy Sochan and Scottie Barnes, we continue to see lottery teams willing to look past shooting struggles for two-way versatility.


17. Toronto Raptors (via Pacers): Terrence Shannon Jr.
Previous Mock Draft Spot: No. 17

Team: Illinois

Position: SG/SF

Size: 6'6", 225 lbs

Age/Year: 23, Senior

Nationality: American

Pro Comparison: Kelly Oubre Jr.

Front offices will debate Terrence Shannon Jr.'s speed, slashing, shotmaking improvement and defensive tools versus age, streaky shooting and a reliance on high usage and athleticism. Their investigation into rape allegations will be the most important part of predraft homework.

Illinois recently decided to drop its investigation, citing insufficient evidence. However, a criminal case in Kansas remains open, and Shannon will have an important hearing on May 10.

The results will obviously be critical for his draft stock, as will each team's own findings. Otherwise, his on-court development, which resulted in 23.0 points and 2.4 threes per game, has earned him lottery grades.


31. Toronto Raptors (via Pistons): Jaylon Tyson
Previous mock draft spot: No. 31

Team: California

Nationality: American

Position: SF/PF

Size: 6'7", 215 lbs

Age/Year: 21, Junior

Pro comparison: Caleb Martin

Jaylon Tyson figures to get looks from teams starting in the mid-to-late first round after a breakout season averaging 19.6 points and 3.5 assists.

A 30.1 percent usage on a 13-19 California team does cast a cloud over his statistical production. But the eye test clearly shows a scorer with NBA traits and skills, including 6'7" size, ball-handling for creation/playmaking and tough shotmaking.

Tyson should be able to help himself by standing out during NBA combine scrimmages.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10116891-2024-nba-mock-draft-2-round-predictions-with-lottery-odds-set


We are not drafting three sg-sized wings, especially if one of them is Terrence Shannon. I'm not sure why they bother labelling this a mock draft if they don't take team needs seriously.

That said, Castle and Tyson are fine picks


Castle should be number two or three in this class. Would be a BPA pick for us. Yeah Terrence Shannon will not get a cursory glance from us. Not a real position of need, not a high upside freshman at 23 y/o and the killer is his off court issues, namely sexual assault charges. The lens on offcourt issues will be more acute now after Jalen Harris, Terrence Davis and Jontay Porter. Raps still have not cut Porter.
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Post#1027 » by Raptorfan2012 » Mon Apr 22, 2024 1:49 pm

grant101 wrote:
Mark_83 wrote:My monthly Hunter Sallis plug. One of the better off the dribble scorers in this draft, and he projects to be an excellent guard defender. I do wanna see how he measures out at the combine, to determine whether he's switchable up to the 3.

;pp=ygUYaHVudGVyIHNhbGxpcyBoaWdobGlnaHRz


I'm a fan, and think he's got the potential to be better than a lot of the other options people are kicking around @ 17 in the event that Collier, Carter and McCain are off the board.


I see Sallis mocked in the 2nd round usually - would be a fantastic get if he lasts until our 31st pick.
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Post#1028 » by Psubs » Mon Apr 22, 2024 1:53 pm

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He does look like Tatum/Brandon Ingram with KD's height.

Even if Sarr turns out like Tyson Chandler, I wouldn't be surprised if Risacher goes #1.

Washington taking Risacher #1 to join fellow frenchman Coulibaly. Then Spurs take Sarr to pair with fellow frenchman Wemby.
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Post#1029 » by ArthurVandelay » Mon Apr 22, 2024 1:55 pm

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Risacher, like Sarr, is another player who's offensive game is going to look better with NBA spacing.
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Post#1030 » by Raptorfan2012 » Mon Apr 22, 2024 1:55 pm

DG88 wrote:BR new mock draft

The 2024 NBA draft lottery odds are set* with the Detroit Pistons and Washington Wizards favorites to win the first pick. Both franchises will have a 14.0 percent chance at No. 1 overall.

The Portland Trail Blazers are a spot behind them at 13.3 percent, then the Charlotte Hornets at 13.2 percent, and the San Antonio Spurs have a 10.5 percent chance of adding anyone they want to pair with Victor Wembanyama.

The most interesting ping pong balls to watch will be the Toronto Raptors—they'll give their pick to the Spurs if it lands outside the top six.

With no consensus top prospect, rankings or tiers, that means fit will play a bigger role than usual when predicting the draft.

The NBA combine in May will be the next big opportunity for prospects to move the needle, which is something we see many do year after year in Chicago.


6. Toronto Raptors: Stephon Castle
Previous Mock Draft Spot: No. 5

Team: Connecticut

Position: SG

Size: 6'6", 215 lbs

Age/Year: 19, Freshman

Nationality: American

Pro Comparison: Anthony Black

The Toronto Raptors are in the No. 6 spot pre-lottery, and they'll need to remain in the top six to avoid having to send their pick to the San Antonio Spurs.

Keeping it could lead them to looking hard at Stephon Castle after a strong national title run, where he was able to showcase his scoring versatility, comfortable playmaking and defense.

His shooting will remain a hot topic and a likely weakness early in his career. But aside from it being improvable, he has shown he can impact games in a variety of other ways, and he has the mentality and unselfishness to thrive to prioritize winning plays over scoring stats.

Between Amen Thompson, Anthony Black, Dyson Daniels, Jeremy Sochan and Scottie Barnes, we continue to see lottery teams willing to look past shooting struggles for two-way versatility.


17. Toronto Raptors (via Pacers): Terrence Shannon Jr.
Previous Mock Draft Spot: No. 17

Team: Illinois

Position: SG/SF

Size: 6'6", 225 lbs

Age/Year: 23, Senior

Nationality: American

Pro Comparison: Kelly Oubre Jr.

Front offices will debate Terrence Shannon Jr.'s speed, slashing, shotmaking improvement and defensive tools versus age, streaky shooting and a reliance on high usage and athleticism. Their investigation into rape allegations will be the most important part of predraft homework.

Illinois recently decided to drop its investigation, citing insufficient evidence. However, a criminal case in Kansas remains open, and Shannon will have an important hearing on May 10.

The results will obviously be critical for his draft stock, as will each team's own findings. Otherwise, his on-court development, which resulted in 23.0 points and 2.4 threes per game, has earned him lottery grades.


31. Toronto Raptors (via Pistons): Jaylon Tyson
Previous mock draft spot: No. 31

Team: California

Nationality: American

Position: SF/PF

Size: 6'7", 215 lbs

Age/Year: 21, Junior

Pro comparison: Caleb Martin

Jaylon Tyson figures to get looks from teams starting in the mid-to-late first round after a breakout season averaging 19.6 points and 3.5 assists.

A 30.1 percent usage on a 13-19 California team does cast a cloud over his statistical production. But the eye test clearly shows a scorer with NBA traits and skills, including 6'7" size, ball-handling for creation/playmaking and tough shotmaking.

Tyson should be able to help himself by standing out during NBA combine scrimmages.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10116891-2024-nba-mock-draft-2-round-predictions-with-lottery-odds-set


I am not entirely sold on Castle though I am okay if we select him at 6. I have a feeling he is a bit shorter than 6'6... I actually prefer Holland over Castle.

For the Pacers pick, I rather have Kel'Ware, Walter, and Salaun over TSJ

For the 31st pick, I rather have Chomche, Sallis, and Carrington over Tyson.
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Post#1031 » by WuTang_CMB » Mon Apr 22, 2024 2:16 pm

Both Donovan Mitchell and Castle both shot 25-26% from 3 in their freshman years
Donovan went back for soph year and increased it to 35% which was a nice jump. Different offensive games but Castle is going to have to shoot 35% in the NBA from 3 in order to really make an impact. Castle is a touch taller and a better defender so that bodes well for him. But the NBA is so hyper focused on shooting for the current game that he's going to have to improve on it
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Post#1034 » by Yallbecrazy » Mon Apr 22, 2024 2:47 pm

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Yallbecrazy wrote:They just post their own big board and put it in draft order. Honestly mocks are useless, I just want to stay informed so like last year I can see who gets a steal (like Podz) and whose front office is inept and drafts someone like Hood Schifino.
Also, I want to know how to feel about our draft pick.


GS got Podz, but they picked Wiseman, when they should've drafted Lamelo. With drafting Lamelo, might've finsished better and still drafted Moody but now also draft Sengun. Both those drafts, I was hoping that they wouldn't draft either and they passed on both. Kind of like hoping the Knicks didn't draft Demar Derozan and they took Jordan Hill. :D

PG LaMelo - Curry
SG Curry - Moody
SF Klay - Wiggins
PF Draymond - Sengun
C Sengun - Looney - TJD


Since I wanted Sengun at #4 I was praying he would keep falling and the Raptors would make a trade up to get him.
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Post#1036 » by grant101 » Mon Apr 22, 2024 3:31 pm

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This was a super impressive game against a really good player in Devin Carter. Castle is a stud. The shot needs work, but his touch is great. I think it comes around eventually. It's between him and Holland at #2 for me. The fit beside Quickley is perfect.
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Post#1037 » by WuTang_CMB » Mon Apr 22, 2024 3:45 pm

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This was a super impressive game against a really good player in Devin Carter. Castle is a stud. The shot needs work, but his touch is great. I think it comes around eventually. It's between him and Holland at #2 for me. The fit beside Quickley is perfect.


You think he's got some Jimmy Butler in him?
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This was a super impressive game against a really good player in Devin Carter. Castle is a stud. The shot needs work, but his touch is great. I think it comes around eventually. It's between him and Holland at #2 for me. The fit beside Quickley is perfect.


You think he's got some Jimmy Butler in him?


Definitely some early jimmy vibes, no? Strong, good passer, never seems rattled and seems to see the game a few steps ahead of everyone else. He also willingly deferred and simply did what the team needed of him to win - just like Jimmy his first few years.

Would love to see him eventually develop a mid-post iso-game like Jimmy did where he can take advantage of his strength, poise, passing and touch. There's a star path there for him if things break right.
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Post#1039 » by PhilBlackson » Mon Apr 22, 2024 4:04 pm

Raptorfan2012 wrote:
DG88 wrote:BR new mock draft

Spoiler:
The 2024 NBA draft lottery odds are set* with the Detroit Pistons and Washington Wizards favorites to win the first pick. Both franchises will have a 14.0 percent chance at No. 1 overall.

The Portland Trail Blazers are a spot behind them at 13.3 percent, then the Charlotte Hornets at 13.2 percent, and the San Antonio Spurs have a 10.5 percent chance of adding anyone they want to pair with Victor Wembanyama
.


Spoiler:
With no consensus top prospect, rankings or tiers, that means fit will play a bigger role than usual when predicting the draft.

The NBA combine in May will be the next big opportunity for prospects to move the needle, which is something we see many do year after year in Chicago
.


Spoiler:
6. Toronto Raptors: Stephon Castle
Previous Mock Draft Spot: No. 5

Team: Connecticut

Position: SG

Size: 6'6", 215 lbs

Age/Year: 19, Freshman

Nationality: American

Pro Comparison: Anthony Black

The Toronto Raptors are in the No. 6 spot pre-lottery, and they'll need to remain in the top six to avoid having to send their pick to the San Antonio Spurs.

Keeping it could lead them to looking hard at Stephon Castle after a strong national title run, where he was able to showcase his scoring versatility, comfortable playmaking and defense.

His shooting will remain a hot topic and a likely weakness early in his career. But aside from it being improvable, he has shown he can impact games in a variety of other ways, and he has the mentality and unselfishness to thrive to prioritize winning plays over scoring stats.

Between Amen Thompson, Anthony Black, Dyson Daniels, Jeremy Sochan and Scottie Barnes, we continue to see lottery teams willing to look past shooting struggles for two-way versatility.


Spoiler:
17. Toronto Raptors (via Pacers): Terrence Shannon Jr.
Previous Mock Draft Spot: No. 17

Team: Illinois

Position: SG/SF

Size: 6'6", 225 lbs

Age/Year: 23, Senior

Nationality: American

Pro Comparison: Kelly Oubre Jr.

Front offices will debate Terrence Shannon Jr.'s speed, slashing, shotmaking improvement and defensive tools versus age, streaky shooting and a reliance on high usage and athleticism. Their investigation into rape allegations will be the most important part of predraft homework.

Illinois recently decided to drop its investigation, citing insufficient evidence. However, a criminal case in Kansas remains open, and Shannon will have an important hearing on May 10.

The results will obviously be critical for his draft stock, as will each team's own findings. Otherwise, his on-court development, which resulted in 23.0 points and 2.4 threes per game, has earned him lottery grades.


Spoiler:
31. Toronto Raptors (via Pistons): Jaylon Tyson
Previous mock draft spot: No. 31

Team: California

Nationality: American

Position: SF/PF

Size: 6'7", 215 lbs

Age/Year: 21, Junior

Pro comparison: Caleb Martin

Jaylon Tyson figures to get looks from teams starting in the mid-to-late first round after a breakout season averaging 19.6 points and 3.5 assists.

A 30.1 percent usage on a 13-19 California team does cast a cloud over his statistical production. But the eye test clearly shows a scorer with NBA traits and skills, including 6'7" size, ball-handling for creation/playmaking and tough shotmaking.

Tyson should be able to help himself by standing out during NBA combine scrimmages.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10116891-2024-nba-mock-draft-2-round-predictions-with-lottery-odds-set


I am not entirely sold on Castle though I am okay if we select him at 6. I have a feeling he is a bit shorter than 6'6... I actually prefer Holland over Castle.

For the Pacers pick, I rather have Kel'Ware, Walter, and Salaun over TSJ

For the 31st pick, I rather have Chomche, Sallis, and Carrington over Tyson.


I agree with you on pretty much every one of these picks lol the only difference is I would include both of McCain & Carter at IND pick (doubtful IC falls that far). But especially if we were fortunate enough to keep our pick and draft a wing, I think it's almost an obvious pick when it's been repeated that they want a backup PG that they'd use the IND pick to get what could be one of the best potential backup PGs long term in the league imo -- and absolutely no chance we draft Shannon with how woke our media is (ie/ they were already rumblings when we looked at Ime, now Jontay), it's not the Raps' style at all to take on questionable character guys.

But I think Holland has a lot of the same strengths (maybe not as good of a passer) but is faster/more athletic, shows a bit more promise off the bounce both going to the basket & pull up jumpers. Both aren't good shooters but I like the look of Holland's mechanics more and most important thing is that both are supposed to be very good defenders BUT with Holland's height/length advantage it will make him more versatile. Castle to looks like a great defender against guards & I'm sure he'll do what he can to hold his own against forwards but Holland will obv be able to handle them better and he's quick enough to go at guards as well. Darko & Masai both mentioned needing more length for perimeter defence, I think Holland should/would get the edge if both are available.

Also as an aside I don't think they'd favour Castle when in reality RJ should be at SG (he's not long enough to defend SF really or is it effective to have him be defended by them) and we're trying to work Gradey with more and more minutes at the position as well. Holland will quite easily replace Brown's minutes (and Nwora) when clearly they're not a part of our future.
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Post#1040 » by WuTang_CMB » Mon Apr 22, 2024 5:15 pm

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This was a super impressive game against a really good player in Devin Carter. Castle is a stud. The shot needs work, but his touch is great. I think it comes around eventually. It's between him and Holland at #2 for me. The fit beside Quickley is perfect.


You think he's got some Jimmy Butler in him?


Definitely some early jimmy vibes, no? Strong, good passer, never seems rattled and seems to see the game a few steps ahead of everyone else. He also willingly deferred and simply did what the team needed of him to win - just like Jimmy his first few years.

Would love to see him eventually develop a mid-post iso-game like Jimmy did where he can take advantage of his strength, poise, passing and touch. There's a star path there for him if things break right.


I see it for sure. Tough hard nosed wing thats not afraid to get into the lane and get after it. High IQ. The mid range is definitely an avenue for him to become that type of player. I thought Whitmore last year had Jimmy too. I think at the end of the day these guys are gamers and that elevates the team especially when things are tough in playoffs

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