Magic(22-12) @ Hawks(19-14)

[The Real Dalic]

K well, still disagree with him.

Colin Cowherd has been on a weekly tirade against "fair chances" and says they are ridiculous. People that are bit time players are that way because when their turn came they were ready and brought it. He brought up a different story each day of the week but it basically spawned from the whole Linsanity thing. Lin got his opportunity and he nailed it. D'Antoni basically put Lin in as the starter after one game off the bench where he played 36 minutes. Lin before that game averaged 2.5MPG and 3PPG with a ton of DNPCD. Then he blew up in one game. I'm not even calling for Ish to replace our starter, who he could probably come in and at least challenge for mediocrity. I just want him in instead of Duhon. As in the Chris Duhon who started 7 games this season and averages 22MPG and has averages of 3.6PPG, 2.7AST, and 1.8REB. This isn't about fair chances. This is about Stan being blind! Ish comes in when he gets his opportunity and out performs Duhon every time.

I agree. if I was a head coach though, I would play everyone in the beginning of the season with different lineups for at most 15 games just to see which rotations worked. and, which players actually cared at all times, and who works with who, and it would light a fire under players like Hedo and Duhon's ass so they can't half ass it like they do cause they'll lose their spot.

[ORLMagicGirl15]

Anyone remember when the Magic went 0-3 in the regular season against the Pistons in '09?

Remember, that season when the Pistons started to become the broken down team it is now, and eventually got swept badly the Cavaliers, the same team that the Magic beat in the ECF.

What's the connection?

The Magic struggle for some reason against teams like the Pistons, Celtics, and now Hawks, no matter how broken down they are.

The Hawks are a recent thing and that happened after we traded away all our players, even though we lost the first game last season against them, we still won the second one before we traded away everyone. We can still turn that around. Same with the Celtics, since the lost in the ECF, we haven't been the same against them even though we have won a game against them after that.

[rcklsscognition]

This is probably out of line and I already feel bad for posting it, but does anyone think Ish could beat Nelson's averages if he started? 9.3PPG and 5.3AST. Can't be that hard. I guess the other teams would eventually game plan for you and it might alter Ish's numbers.

[Chris1]

The Hawks are a recent thing and that happened after we traded away all our players, even though we lost the first game last season against them, we still won the second one before we traded away everyone. We can still turn that around. Same with the Celtics, since the lost in the ECF, we haven't been the same against them even though we have won a game against them after that.

I agree that the players on the team now are part of the problem, but still, the fact that the Pistons still were still making the Magic look bad in '09 despite the fact that the Magic were better than they were in '08 while the Pistons got worse shows the Magic has had this problem before the trade happened.

The Pistons also beat the Magic by double digits earlier this season, so the Magic are still struggling against them even.

[The Real Dalic]

This is probably out of line and I already feel bad for posting it, but does anyone think Ish could beat Nelson's averages if he started? 9.3PPG and 5.3AST. Can't be that hard.

I personally do... but, people will probably jump on you for suggesting it just because he was a D-Leaguer... watch out, some of them would also say you're not a Magic fan....

[magicman123]

This is probably out of line and I already feel bad for posting it, but does anyone think Ish could beat Nelson's averages if he started? 9.3PPG and 5.3AST. Can't be that hard. I guess the other teams would eventually game plan for you and it might alter Ish's numbers.

lets get him to replace duhon first

[ORLMagicGirl15]

I agree that the players on the team now are part of the problem, but still, the fact that the Pistons still were still making the Magic look bad in '09 despite the fact that the Magic were better than they were in '08 while the Pistons got worse shows the Magic has had this problem before the trade happened.

The Pistons also beat the Magic by double digits earlier this season, so the Magic are still struggling against them even.

Oh, I agree with you there. The Piston curse is a mystery to me.

[Mule Tears]

Dwight is actually having a career year rebounding and his scoring numbers are good in general. Jameer, J-Rich and Hedo are having some of the worst years of their career because they are older and declining.

This roster isn't very deep and the core of our starting lineup is declining. I'm pleasently suprised with 3rd in the East, but I still think this is all a waste of time because Dwight is on his way out.

Dwight is having a career year in rebounding but everything else is down, scoring, defending, and ft%. Jameer sucks, J-Rich and Hedo, my goodness. I am not so sure if it has to do with being older for them--maybe for J-Rich, I can forgive him because his chest hurts.

We might not be that deep because we only play like 7 or 8 guys in the rotation.

Their is reason players are posting career lows, its because they are getting less minutes, taking less shots, and playing at a slower pace. Of course J-Rich is going to post a career low when hes playing 4-5 less minutes, and taking less shots AND not playing with Steve Nash in a top 3 pace offense in the league. Hedo I just don't know, I want to say that hes not playing to his potential, but hes about 5 years older when he was playing at his prime for us. He isn't the same player. Also he is playing 6 less minutes and taking nearly 4 less shots before the years he came to Orlando. Jameer has been the one that has been off. His jumper is so gone, idk what happened to it. He can't hit a open jumper to save his life. But right now we are tied for 3rd in the East record wise. 5th in the standings.

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[thelead]

I agree that the players on the team now are part of the problem, but still, the fact that the Pistons still were still making the Magic look bad in '09 despite the fact that the Magic were better than they were in '08 while the Pistons got worse shows the Magic has had this problem before the trade happened.

The Pistons also beat the Magic by double digits earlier this season, so the Magic are still struggling against them even.

Oh, I agree with you there. The Piston curse is a mystery to me.

It's no mystery. Stan make very little adjustments; so we continue to lose the same way once a team/coach figures out how to beat us.

[The Real Dalic]

Their is reason players are posting career lows, its because they are getting less minutes, taking less shots, and playing at a slower pace. Of course J-Rich is going to post a career low when hes playing 4-5 less minutes, and taking less shots AND not playing with Steve Nash in a top 3 pace offense in the league. Hedo I just don't know, I want to say that hes not playing to his potential, but hes about 5 years older when he was playing at his prime for us. He isn't the same player. Also he is playing 6 less minutes and taking nearly 4 less shots before the years he came to Orlando. Jameer has been the one that has been off. His jumper is so gone, idk what happened to it. He can't hit a open jumper to save his life. But right now we are tied for 3rd in the East record wise. 5th in the standings.

There*

[Def Swami]

John Denton ‏ @JohnDenton555
#Magic had a somewhat fiery team meeting after the game. Clearly, there were a lot of players and coaches upset about the sluggish 1st half.

John Denton ‏ @JohnDenton555
SVG: "We don’t play hard enough. We’re not going to be anywhere near contenders in the East unless we’re going to play hard all the time."

John Denton ‏ @JohnDenton555
Honesty from @JJRedick "We were bad. Our effort was bad. And our energy was bad. When we play like that, we’re just bad.’’

John Denton ‏ @JohnDenton555
Here's @ryananderson33 "We can use excuses like we played 4 in 5 nights. We didn’t start the game off hard and they killed us with energy."

John Denton ‏ @JohnDenton555
.@ryananderson33 "We had a team meeting just talking about everybody coming together. We have to hold one another accountable."

All good imo. At least they acknowledge they lost due to laziness and getting out hustled.

[The Real Dalic]

I agree that the players on the team now are part of the problem, but still, the fact that the Pistons still were still making the Magic look bad in '09 despite the fact that the Magic were better than they were in '08 while the Pistons got worse shows the Magic has had this problem before the trade happened.

The Pistons also beat the Magic by double digits earlier this season, so the Magic are still struggling against them even.

Oh, I agree with you there. The Piston curse is a mystery to me.

It's no mystery. Stan make very little adjustments; so we continue to lose the same way once a team/coach figures out how to beat us.

Everyone does know how to beat us. it's just they don't all have the length and athleticism to defend us.

[The Real Dalic]

John Denton ‏ @JohnDenton555
#Magic had a somewhat fiery team meeting after the game. Clearly, there were a lot of players and coaches upset about the sluggish 1st half.

John Denton ‏ @JohnDenton555
SVG: "We don’t play hard enough. We’re not going to be anywhere near contenders in the East unless we’re going to play hard all the time."

John Denton ‏ @JohnDenton555
Honesty from @JJRedick "We were bad. Our effort was bad. And our energy was bad. When we play like that, we’re just bad.’’

John Denton ‏ @JohnDenton555
Here's @ryananderson33 "We can use excuses like we played 4 in 5 nights. We didn’t start the game off hard and they killed us with energy."

John Denton ‏ @JohnDenton555
.@ryananderson33 "We had a team meeting just talking about everybody coming together. We have to hold one another accountable."

All good imo. At least they acknowledge they lost due to laziness and getting out hustled.

But how many times are we gonna do this to ourselves? we always say the same **** when we lose.... it's getting old.....

[Reverse_Angle]

Everyone does know how to beat us. it's just they don't all have the length and athleticism to defend us.

i agree. however, i think they beat us either athletically or mentally out-matching us.. smetimes at the same time. being relentless pays off when playing against the magic.

put pressure on our ball handlers, be physical with dwight, don't help when your man is one pass away.

[tjm384]

Orlando has one of the best records in the league and also has one of the best records in the league in their last 10 games. Yet some people climb out of windows and contemplate jumping after every loss.

[magicman123]

Orlando has one of the best records in the league and also has one of the best records in the league in their last 10 games. Yet some people climb out of windows and contemplate jumping after every loss.

for me its all about the playoffs, not the regular season..im not sure this team is good enough for a deep run

[Def Swami]

John Denton ‏ @JohnDenton555
#Magic had a somewhat fiery team meeting after the game. Clearly, there were a lot of players and coaches upset about the sluggish 1st half.

John Denton ‏ @JohnDenton555
SVG: "We don’t play hard enough. We’re not going to be anywhere near contenders in the East unless we’re going to play hard all the time."

John Denton ‏ @JohnDenton555
Honesty from @JJRedick "We were bad. Our effort was bad. And our energy was bad. When we play like that, we’re just bad.’’

John Denton ‏ @JohnDenton555
Here's @ryananderson33 "We can use excuses like we played 4 in 5 nights. We didn’t start the game off hard and they killed us with energy."

John Denton ‏ @JohnDenton555
.@ryananderson33 "We had a team meeting just talking about everybody coming together. We have to hold one another accountable."

All good imo. At least they acknowledge they lost due to laziness and getting out hustled.

But how many times are we gonna do this too ourselves? we always say the same **** when we lose.... it's getting old.....

Last time we had one of these "fiery meetings" was after a loss in Denver last season. And it led to the PHX and WAS trades. Hoping for the same.

[tjm384]

Orlando has one of the best records in the league and also has one of the best records in the league in their last 10 games. Yet some people climb out of windows and contemplate jumping after every loss.

for me its all about the playoffs, not the regular season..im not sure this team is good enough for a deep run

It's always about the playoffs.

[The Real Dalic]

Orlando has one of the best records in the league and also has one of the best records in the league in their last 10 games. Yet some people climb out of windows and contemplate jumping after every loss.

Because we don't lose a different way every time... we lose the exact same way every single time... Hedo usually sucks in losses, Ryno does too. Duhon should not be out there ever, but, he will unless we make a trade, because Stan's in love with him.... and, Stan usually sucks in losses too.

I know we WILL lose in the 1st or 2nd round of the playoffs, and, I don't want to be in mediocrity.... I'd rather be a lotto team than a in the middle of the pack kind of team.....

[The Real Dalic]

Orlando has one of the best records in the league and also has one of the best records in the league in their last 10 games. Yet some people climb out of windows and contemplate jumping after every loss.

for me its all about the playoffs, not the regular season..im not sure this team is good enough for a deep run

This.