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PrimeShaq wrote:

MagicMatic wrote:

PrimeShaq wrote:I think we played our way out of drafting Tatum. We had a chance at him but we couldn't commit to the tank. I think we end up falling back a couple spots. I'd draft Isaac and take either Rabb or Leaf with our second first to play backup PF for us this year.

We should have folded after the Ibaka trade and cut our losses. This is a 4 player draft and we will be picking 5-7.

Yeah we had every chance to do it. So many pointless wins against the nets, Toronto, Detroit, Philly, and the suns that we were in position to lose and came back and won.

I do believe that tier one of this draft is picks 1-4. Tier 2 prospects are still a lot better than most drafts but I would prefer us to be drafting in the top 3 come draft night. Which just isn't likely at this point.

I have been high on Isaac since before it was popular but the gap between him an the top 4 has widened in my eyes.

Still...

Unlike recent years where the drop off after say #3 was enourmous, I believe you are corect that we still have some great talent with high potential after the first group.

Tier 1a) Fultz, Jackson, Ball
Tier 1b) Tatum
Tier 2) Isaac, Fox, Monk, Smith

MagicFan101 wrote:I have been high on Isaac since before it was popular but the gap between him an the top 4 has widened in my eyes.

Still...

Unlike recent years where the drop off after say #3 was enourmous, I believe you are corect that we still have some great talent with high potential after the first group.

Tier 1a) Fultz, Jackson, Ball
Tier 1b) Tatum
Tier 2) Isaac, Fox, Monk, Smith

I don't think there is a big drop off from Tatum to Isaac, but I do think they are different kinds of prospects. Tatum is a lower ceiling, but safer pick. Whereas Isaac is a high ceiling, but more bust potential kind of pick.

Our chances of getting Isaac are very high. If he blows it up in the workouts it could get him into the top 5, but Fox could kill it as well. There is a lot of talent in this draft and they are all pretty even so this will be rather interesting.

PennytoShaq wrote:Our chances of getting Isaac are very high. If he blows it up in the workouts it could get him into the top 5, but Fox could kill it as well. There is a lot of talent in this draft and they are all pretty even so this will be rather interesting.

Truthfully, he's probably a better fit with Gordon and a more likely NBA first option than Tatum.

Cammo101 wrote:

PennytoShaq wrote:Our chances of getting Isaac are very high. If he blows it up in the workouts it could get him into the top 5, but Fox could kill it as well. There is a lot of talent in this draft and they are all pretty even so this will be rather interesting.

Truthfully, he's probably a better fit with Gordon and a more likely NBA first option than Tatum.

I think Isaac is an excellent fit next to Gordon as well.

PennytoShaq wrote:Our chances of getting Isaac are very high. If he blows it up in the workouts it could get him into the top 5, but Fox could kill it as well. There is a lot of talent in this draft and they are all pretty even so this will be rather interesting.

Fox's skill set is perfect for todays NBA imo. I think he will do well in work outs.

Zmill wrote:

Cammo101 wrote:

PennytoShaq wrote:Our chances of getting Isaac are very high. If he blows it up in the workouts it could get him into the top 5, but Fox could kill it as well. There is a lot of talent in this draft and they are all pretty even so this will be rather interesting.

Truthfully, he's probably a better fit with Gordon and a more likely NBA first option than Tatum.

I think Isaac is an excellent fit next to Gordon as well.

He's my favorite college player so I have no problem with it.

If the Bulls shop Butler and we can give up a future first plus the TOR pick and some players, and then draft Isaac and get Butler, I think that would be an incredible wing rebuild. A go to guy at SG, the next Rashard Lewis type at SF and AG at 4. That's fun stuff.

Blue_and_Whte wrote:

PennytoShaq wrote:Our chances of getting Isaac are very high. If he blows it up in the workouts it could get him into the top 5, but Fox could kill it as well. There is a lot of talent in this draft and they are all pretty even so this will be rather interesting.

Fox's skill set is perfect for todays NBA imo. I think he will do well in work outs.

I wouldn't say perfect just because an NBA Pg needs to be able to drain 3's and I'm not sure he is that guy. But he is a very good player.

Cammo101 wrote:

pepe1991 wrote:

OrlandoDream wrote:Bingo! The Ross/Fournier combo is not sustainable for 82 games. They are both bench players on a playoff team. Fournier needs to be going vs bench units. He can't guard NBA starting wings. We need to draft , sign or trade for a starting SF. That should be priority number one.

Literally ,every single Magic player is 6th to 7th man on contender at best. Even Josh Robbins, Magic beat writer said so in his article

That is nonsense. Golden State starts Zaza Pachulia, Cleveland starts JR Smith, Boston starts Amir Johnson...

It is probably exaggeration but it still valid take.

Zaza stars but Igoudala comes off bench and he is more complete, better overall player than any Magic player.
JR Smith last year was huge for Cavs. He played amazing defense ( yes i know JR Smith and defense in past didn't get along lol )
Amir is servicable. Lot of teams would start him over Vučević.

OrlandoDream wrote:

MagicFan101 wrote:

PrimeShaq wrote:I think we played our way out of drafting Tatum. We had a chance at him but we couldn't commit to the tank. I think we end up falling back a couple spots. I'd draft Isaac and take either Rabb or Leaf with our second first to play backup PF for us this year.

At times this season people here had Isaac as high at #4.

This would not be a horrible outcome. Grabbing one of those top 4 names would be ideal but this isn't a disaster.

Seriously. Isaac was ranked in mocks consistently above Tatum for most of the year until the last 2 months of the season. Keep in mind that Isaac player behind chucker Bacon while Tatum was the go-to guy for Duke along with Kennard.

I'd say wait until the workouts. I have a feeling Isaac is going to jump up a few slots while there is a chance Tatum might drop. Draft Combine is right around the corner.

Isaac is the more talented player (perhaps the most talented player in the draft). The questions about him regard his mental approach and desire to succeed. Conversely, the mental side is what people love about Tatum. He is supposedly high-character, hard-working, and determined to become a star. I have major concerns about Jackson's off-court issues. The incidents that have been made public demonstrate exceptionally poor judgement.

In case anyone is interested in reading a good write up and analysis of Josh Jackson, by our Suns resident college prospect expert, you can find it here... viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1551844

Yes I like the idea of isaac+ag combo



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Xatticus wrote:

OrlandoDream wrote:

MagicFan101 wrote:
At times this season people here had Isaac as high at #4.

This would not be a horrible outcome. Grabbing one of those top 4 names would be ideal but this isn't a disaster.

Seriously. Isaac was ranked in mocks consistently above Tatum for most of the year until the last 2 months of the season. Keep in mind that Isaac player behind chucker Bacon while Tatum was the go-to guy for Duke along with Kennard.

I'd say wait until the workouts. I have a feeling Isaac is going to jump up a few slots while there is a chance Tatum might drop. Draft Combine is right around the corner.

Isaac is the more talented player (perhaps the most talented player in the draft). The questions about him regard his mental approach and desire to succeed. Conversely, the mental side is what people love about Tatum. He is supposedly high-character, hard-working, and determined to become a star. I have major concerns about Jackson's off-court issues. The incidents that have been made public demonstrate exceptionally poor judgement.

I looked into Jackson's off court situation and didn't think it was that big of a deal. Just some young girl problems, The kid is 20yo, baby girl drama is gonna happen. It's not like he robbed something.

Jackson plays relentless though. His work ethic does not worry me. He has improved so much from his first K game. His shooting and passing improvement is what stands out. If by some benign miracle he is available with our pick, you take him without a moment's hesitation.

cedric76 wrote:Yes I like the idea of isaac+ag combo



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yup.... a 6'-11" player that can move like a guard.... has the length of a pf.... shoots like a guard.... plays both inside and out.... cant drive from the perimeter... shoots the three....mixes it up in the middle even with his currently slight frame.... yet is considered to be raw..... sounds like a great canvas to start painting a picture on. Yup.... i wouldn't be surprised if he's that guy that shoots up the boards during workouts.

Him with gordon will fit nicely into what people consider the future of the forward position as great "Hybrid Forward" and be interchangeable pieces!

the thing about issac i heard is that in high school he was a point guard then he had a crazy growth spurt, so he's still getting used to his body.....high ceiling

Immature Luigi wrote:the thing about issac i heard is that in high school he was a point guard then he had a crazy growth spurt, so he's still getting used to his body.....high ceiling

PG...... uhmmmmmmmm..... super high ceiling then. Whether he reaches that ceiling.... who knows. But i'll bet that he'll turn into a pretty damn good player with those skills as a foundation. 6'-11".... probably pushing 7 by the time he's done. I'm already sold. haha

Throw in a 6'-9" ish revamped hezonja at SG..... and we'll have the biggest athletic team EVER! And everyone will base their teams off of our model that no one can replicate

Blue_and_Whte wrote:

shadrock wrote:

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:Give me Jackson with a top 3
Give me Tatum with the #4
Give me Smith with the #5

Look to trade Payton to teams that fall short in drafting a PG for their pick and some (Sacramento, Dallas, New York).

Target shooters with LAC pick
- Luke Kennard (Duke)
- Terrence Ferguson (Aus)
- Bacon
- Rodions Kurucs

There is no circumstance in which we get the number 4 pick.

Exactly. I'm predicting we actually drop a couple of spots to 7th. We'll either trade it or pick yet another 2nd-3rd tier player. We've played ourselves out of a potential star again by winning meaningless games. Congrats.

Yep this is why i was making such a big song and dance when we won those meaningless games mid season vs Toronto and Miami. Now it doesnt seem so stupid. If we could be in the Suns position right now, on man, different ballgame.

Truth24 wrote:I think I'm leaning more towards Lauri Markkanen if we stay at the 5-7 range. I wouldn't mind a lot of the prospects but Lauri at that range with his potential is my favorite.

You mean potential to be the next Troy Murphy? That doesnt really excite me.

shadrock wrote:

Truth24 wrote:I think I'm leaning more towards Lauri Markkanen if we stay at the 5-7 range. I wouldn't mind a lot of the prospects but Lauri at that range with his potential is my favorite.

You mean potential to be the next Troy Murphy? That doesnt really excite me.

Terrible comparison and again superior player to what Troy was at that age. Yet I guess Markkanen will just get these lazy white guy who shoots comparisons.

Truth24 wrote:

shadrock wrote:

Truth24 wrote:I think I'm leaning more towards Lauri Markkanen if we stay at the 5-7 range. I wouldn't mind a lot of the prospects but Lauri at that range with his potential is my favorite.

You mean potential to be the next Troy Murphy? That doesnt really excite me.

Terrible comparison and again superior player to what Troy was at that age. Yet I guess Markkanen will just get these lazy white guy who shoots comparisons.

Because his skillset puts a serious cap on what he can become in this league. Hes a 7 footer who is an exceptional shooter, but will struggle to find rotation minutes because he is abysmal on defense and abysmal at rebounding. The days of having dual big men are well and truly over, and the idea of having him as your sole big is never ever going to work. He will be a shooting bigman off the bench and i think that is his ceiling. Let say Channing Frye just to shake things up a bit...