WOJ: Knicks president [Mills] angling for David Fizdale firing

[drekwins]

Knicks may go after Presti via Bondy. Thoughts?

Would be the best thing they can do. Has shown he can operate under a rebuild, competitive team, and also manage luxury tax concerns. Always drafted well at the top of the draft. Knicks would alleviate the luxury tax concerns he constantly has to worry about and he pretty much has a blank slate to work with. This is the right Sam to hire.

As opposed to L. Jackson?

Presti would make a lot of sense. That would be equivalent to the Red Sox making a huge offer to Billy Beane to run their organization after still being bound by the "Curse of the Bambino". Billy Beane refused.

Still, OKC is a small market and limited resources wise. The Knicks could be attractive with their unlimited personnel and facilities budget... as well as their ability to offer a massive contract.

I'm not sure how it works when hostily pursuing a current GM/President under contract. Ideally, the president, GM and coach would be a mix of the following pool:

President and GM Combo's - Don Nelson, RC Buford, Presti, Ujiri, Grffin, Ainge (No Riley)
President - Jerry West
GM - I still like Perry but the next hire will probably be GM and President
Coach - Stevens, Carlisle, Budenholzer, Spolestra, Gentry, Rivers, Malone, Snyder, Popovich (I am impressed with Clifford and Beilein but can't put them in this group)

[NYKat]

How about Ty Lue?

Not too sure about the guys X's and O's but the guy coached a team to a championship which counts for something no matter who is on the roster IMO

[BallSacBounce]

Mills is just trying to buy himself more time

For his next move, next ploy.

I thought about that. "How can he expect to stay if he hired Perry and Fizdale, and either with Perry, constructed the roster TOGETHER, or let Perry do it, and together they both hired the coach?"

Because if you fire Fizdale, he's out. He's cleared out of the way, a body under the bus, and he buys time. But for what?

Well, to assign blame to someone else and get some chances to get Dolan alone, so he can spin his usual buddy buddy stuff, and over a few sessions put the blame on Perry.

And it's interesting that someone posted that Griffith wanted Alan Houston fired as part of his hire. It's because he didn't want a back channel mole in the org. So now, Mills is fending off Alan Houston.

GoT style, Mills will use Miller to stay his execution, but Houston will use the fact that Miller was part of "his team of guys" in Westchester to undermine Mills. So Mills will have to counter attack that, while they both work on their common enemy, Perry.

Dolan encourages this stuff, always having back channel guys, like Mills, Herb, Houston.

Hell, John Starks is probably a free lance spy for Dolan. The charity stuff etc is just a cover.

This web of people is really the problem. Not Mills or Houston or anyone individually. It's that Dolan wants to influence the team while keeping up the public persona that he is detached. It would be hardly the first time an owner pulled such a ploy, but it'll be super interesting to see how this power dynamic is ultimately replicated (because it ain't going anywhere) if Fizdale, Mills and Perry all go. Most obvious answer would be the promotion of Houston, or another familiar name we have seen somewhere in the past because Dolan values trust and good-ol-boy networks over talent.

The other problem is that money talks, and they'll find no shortage of coaches and management who want to work here under any conditions to make that money. The players, the organization learned this past summer, don't need the money...especially when they know it'll likely come at the detriment of their reputations.

It's an ugly situation that I think is a lot more engrained in this organization that anyone here wants to believe. Basically we are hoping and praying that a new President and GM come in that are magically able to straddle making sound financial decisions, sell to the players they are a shield between them and Dolan, all while ultimately doing Dolan's bidding. Not sure who could do that job well.

Plus people that do come here know for a fact they'll be finishing less than half their contract so when they get bounced they can do some pretty sweet double dipping. I'd come to this dysfunctional honey pot for sure.

[BallSacBounce]

Maybe.

I think the decision has already been made on Pills as well. The evaluative talk is empty, just like the evaluation period for Fiz is empty.

If MSG is leaking that they plan to pursue Masai and Presti, then I don't think Dolan will allow Abby big moves. He needs to sell them on as clean of a slate as possible.

He was told that the current roster was good enough.

Then again, maybe I'm expecting too much competence.

You are. Which leads me to my next question: Is Dolan getting any advice from anyone? I mean, he has to be, right? Even if it's Irv Azoff. Who's in Jim's ear about this?

My guess would be Adam Silver.

God I hope so. With some winkie winks if Dolan does the right thing here he may get a nice lottery day surprise.

[god shammgod]

Washington has the same record we do. That won't make us better

I agree. But I think Dolan could be convinced it would make the Knicks better next season.

Maybe.

I think the decision has already been made on Pills as well. The evaluative talk is empty, just like the evaluation period for Fiz is empty.

If MSG is leaking that they plan to pursue Masai and Presti, then I don't think Dolan will allow Abby big moves. He needs to sell them on as clean of a slate as possible.

He was told that the current roster was good enough.

Then again, maybe I'm expecting too much competence.

nah, i see it the same way. they were probably fired the moment kyrie & kd didn't come. they made a fool of him. he went on tv and talked like free agents were coming and they didn't. then they sold him on them rebounding well from that but they didn't do that either. it's gonna take a miracle for anyone to keep their jobs in the long run.

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[Stannis]

Maybe.

I think the decision has already been made on Pills as well. The evaluative talk is empty, just like the evaluation period for Fiz is empty.

If MSG is leaking that they plan to pursue Masai and Presti, then I don't think Dolan will allow Abby big moves. He needs to sell them on as clean of a slate as possible.

He was told that the current roster was good enough.

Then again, maybe I'm expecting too much competence.

I just feel if it was going to happen, it would have happened by now. Dolan must have some emotional attachment to Mills. And will probably give him second chances, which will put us in a deeper hole.

You think Dolan is putting transactions on freeze to prevent future dumb moves by Mills?

Noob question, but who's Abby lol? The soon to be interim GM?

[god shammgod]

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[god shammgod]

ian says if knicks continue to suck this is likely perry/mills last year.

[GONYK]

How about Ty Lue?

Not too sure about the guys X's and O's but the guy coached a team to a championship which counts for something no matter who is on the roster IMO

You basically just described Fiz

[Jimmit79]

Knicks may go after Presti via Bondy. Thoughts?

Overated league handed three top 10 players and he got only one finals appearance at best. Get Hinkie or someone from Spurs organization here.

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[GONYK]

Maybe.

I think the decision has already been made on Pills as well. The evaluative talk is empty, just like the evaluation period for Fiz is empty.

If MSG is leaking that they plan to pursue Masai and Presti, then I don't think Dolan will allow Abby big moves. He needs to sell them on as clean of a slate as possible.

He was told that the current roster was good enough.

Then again, maybe I'm expecting too much competence.

I just feel if it was going to happen, it would have happened by now. Dolan must have some emotional attachment to Mills. And will probably give him second chances, which will put us in a deeper hole.

You think Dolan is putting transactions on freeze to prevent future dumb moves by Mills?

Noob question, but who's Abby lol? The soon to be interim GM?

Why would it have happened already? He was told that this team was going to be competitive, or at the very least, improved.

Games had to transpire for that to be laid out as false.

Now that it is very false, you can't clean house in the middle of the season. It has to happen in stages.

Coach first, then Front Office. That way, the new guy has no attachments.

[Gregory151]

Maybe.

I think the decision has already been made on Pills as well. The evaluative talk is empty, just like the evaluation period for Fiz is empty.

If MSG is leaking that they plan to pursue Masai and Presti, then I don't think Dolan will allow Abby big moves. He needs to sell them on as clean of a slate as possible.

He was told that the current roster was good enough.

Then again, maybe I'm expecting too much competence.

I just feel if it was going to happen, it would have happened by now. Dolan must have some emotional attachment to Mills. And will probably give him second chances, which will put us in a deeper hole.

You think Dolan is putting transactions on freeze to prevent future dumb moves by Mills?

Noob question, but who's Abby lol? The soon to be interim GM?

I think its because Mills knows where all the bodies are buried.

Hahn said that aside from the rape accusation with Kristaps, there were 2 other incidents that occurred with him that will never get out and that the Knicks protected him a lot. With the Anucha Browne Sanders lawsuit she said it was Mills that threatened her to keep her mouth shut. I think he knows all of the secrets and that is what Dolan is valuing more than anything.

[Jimmit79]

Knicks need a FO who maximize assets and don't feel attached to them sell high buy low continue this process till you have ammunition to trade for a all star and lure other one as FA the logo style.

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I said it last night the idiot is blind. When RJ went to the bench so should Knox. Then RJ came back with Mook instead of Kevin and it was already too late. Sad fans see it but he doesn't. He needs to actually watch film and not say he watches film.

[Stannis]

Maybe.

I think the decision has already been made on Pills as well. The evaluative talk is empty, just like the evaluation period for Fiz is empty.

If MSG is leaking that they plan to pursue Masai and Presti, then I don't think Dolan will allow Abby big moves. He needs to sell them on as clean of a slate as possible.

He was told that the current roster was good enough.

Then again, maybe I'm expecting too much competence.

I just feel if it was going to happen, it would have happened by now. Dolan must have some emotional attachment to Mills. And will probably give him second chances, which will put us in a deeper hole.

You think Dolan is putting transactions on freeze to prevent future dumb moves by Mills?

Noob question, but who's Abby lol? The soon to be interim GM?

I think its because Mills knows where all the bodies are buried.

Hahn said that aside from the rape accusation with Kristaps, there were 2 other incidents that occurred with him that will never get out and that the Knicks protected him a lot. With the Anucha Browne Sanders lawsuit she said it was Mills that threatened her to keep her mouth shut. I think he knows all of the secrets and that is what Dolan is valuing more than anything.

2 other incidents that occurred with KP, Mills, or Dolan?

[spree2kawhi]

An unknown younger coach with college success, please. No mark Jackson, no Tyronn Lue. A coach.

[dc]

nah, i see it the same way. they were probably fired the moment kyrie & kd didn't come. they made a fool of him. he went on tv and talked like free agents were coming and they didn't. then they sold him on them rebounding well from that but they didn't do that either. it's gonna take a miracle for anyone to keep their jobs in the long run.

Yeah, they traded away the 1 asset (KP) the organization had for the specific purpose of clearing cap space to sign the big FAs. That was the plan and they failed. Their main targets signing with the Nets added to the embarrassment.

Then they said, that's OK. Our contingency plan is good. We still signed good players, we had a good offseason. Thus the press conference out of nowhere and basically lining up Fiz to get fired. Notice that they submitted a press release DIRECTLY after Kyrie/KD signed with the Nets and held a press conference DIRECTLY after the loss to the Cavs. They knew they had to do that each time because they had to apologize in both cases for falling well short of the expectations they touted.

[god shammgod]

Maybe.

I think the decision has already been made on Pills as well. The evaluative talk is empty, just like the evaluation period for Fiz is empty.

If MSG is leaking that they plan to pursue Masai and Presti, then I don't think Dolan will allow Abby big moves. He needs to sell them on as clean of a slate as possible.

He was told that the current roster was good enough.

Then again, maybe I'm expecting too much competence.

I just feel if it was going to happen, it would have happened by now. Dolan must have some emotional attachment to Mills. And will probably give him second chances, which will put us in a deeper hole.

You think Dolan is putting transactions on freeze to prevent future dumb moves by Mills?

Noob question, but who's Abby lol? The soon to be interim GM?

Why would it have happened already? He was told that this team was going to be competitive, or at the very least, improved.

Games had to transpire for that to be laid out as false.

Now that it is very false, you can't clean house in the middle of the season. It has to happen in stages.

Coach first, then Front Office. That way, the new guy has no attachments.

this is quick actually to fire a coach and gm, they just got here last year. that's why this is likely mostly about mills.

probably told dolan he had nothing to do with phil's failures.
told dolan he could run things successfully after phil left.
signed timmy and then needed to trade him.
hired fiz and now wants to fire him.
said that and he perry would bring free agents. failed.
said they would sign guys to small deals instead and be competitive to attract future free agents. failed again.
and the record keeps getting worse.

that's a lot of failure

[Gregory151]

I just feel if it was going to happen, it would have happened by now. Dolan must have some emotional attachment to Mills. And will probably give him second chances, which will put us in a deeper hole.

You think Dolan is putting transactions on freeze to prevent future dumb moves by Mills?

Noob question, but who's Abby lol? The soon to be interim GM?

I think its because Mills knows where all the bodies are buried.

Hahn said that aside from the rape accusation with Kristaps, there were 2 other incidents that occurred with him that will never get out and that the Knicks protected him a lot. With the Anucha Browne Sanders lawsuit she said it was Mills that threatened her to keep her mouth shut. I think he knows all of the secrets and that is what Dolan is valuing more than anything.

2 other incidents that occurred with KP, Mills, or Dolan?

2 other incidents with KP.

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