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Re: Miami Heat Speculation Thread - 2020 and beyond... 

Post#1041 » by heat4life » Tue Oct 27, 2020 4:28 pm

BIRDMAN BIRDMAN wrote:Replace Craig with GP or Fizdale maybe? But I have a feeling we'd hire someone else out of nowhere. Eric Glass too but not sure who replaces him then?


Fizdale is getting paid handsomely by the Knicks for as long as he doesn't get another coaching gig. I think Fiz waits until all coaching jobs - college and pro - are filled before he decides if he becomes an assistant now or later while he gets paid the remaining of his contract.

As for GP, I am not sure if he fits with Spo. He is a loud mouth but can he relate to the younger generation? Spo prefers his assistants to be hard workers and stay out of the spotlight. So far all his hand picked assistants have grown through Heat culture as either a player or staff. Only Fiz had a previous relationship with him from elsewhere. Did GP build a relationship with Spo while he was in Miami? I guess we'll see. One thing is for sure, GP put some honey on his name with regards to the Heat in that players tribune article. He wants in :lol:

Spo is loyal to his people and the one thing I see with a high probability of happening is Chris Quinn being promoted to lead assistant and getting a pay increase. Maybe Eric Glass gets moved to the bench too.
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Post#1042 » by eddieheatfan » Tue Oct 27, 2020 4:58 pm

dan craig is gone, interesting :o

spot for udonis?
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Post#1043 » by dolphinatik » Tue Oct 27, 2020 5:14 pm

sad to see Craig go he was really a key cog in changing our offensive philosophy and being less robotic. They must have given him a hell of a lotta money to make this lateral move.
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Post#1044 » by goodboy » Tue Oct 27, 2020 5:47 pm

eddieheatfan wrote:dan craig is gone, interesting :o

spot for udonis?

He had that perfect nice step dad look as well as coach.
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Post#1045 » by eddieheatfan » Tue Oct 27, 2020 6:55 pm

goodboy wrote:
eddieheatfan wrote:dan craig is gone, interesting :o

spot for udonis?

He had that perfect nice step dad look as well as coach.
i'd rather see him as coach of sorts than taking up one roster.btw,are there any news of his retirement yet?
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Post#1046 » by Rodrizzle » Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:19 pm

dolphinatik wrote:sad to see Craig go he was really a key cog in changing our offensive philosophy and being less robotic. They must have given him a hell of a lotta money to make this lateral move.


I think it was mentioned before but likely a good chance of him being head coach for the Clippers once they get rid of Lue which im sure will happen. Dont see much chance of him replacing Spo here anytime soon. It makes sense for him in that regards. Either that or he is a spy to get into Kawhis ear about how good the culture is here :)
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Post#1047 » by goodboy » Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:22 pm

eddieheatfan wrote:
goodboy wrote:
eddieheatfan wrote:dan craig is gone, interesting :o

spot for udonis?

He had that perfect nice step dad look as well as coach.
i'd rather see him as coach of sorts than taking up one roster.btw,are there any news of his retirement yet?

No news. Just got updated on the p4p list to #1 eddie :)
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Post#1048 » by 3ballbomber » Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:52 pm

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i know ill get hate but i really want to keep Solo on the cheap, think he can be useful 3&D wing when in shape.

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Post#1049 » by Beenie » Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:10 pm



National media's trying to mess up Mia's 2021 FA plans : )
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Post#1050 » by Wiltside » Tue Oct 27, 2020 11:58 pm

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National media's trying to mess up Mia's 2021 FA plans : )


I understand all that, but the bottom line is, Bam is getting paid regardless of whether the max extension happens immediately or next offszn.

If Giannis has given his agent an inkling he's keen on Miami too, then the agents responsibility will be to also ensure Miami can keep their flexibility open to accommodate him. I'm sure he then too would've had this conversation with Bam for his understanding - and then it's up to Bam to either say "cool" or "nah pay me".

If (god forbid) Bam went down with a serious injury this year, we'd still max him regardless. He's getting paid.

Just the media trying to create headlines really. Move on people, nothing to see here.
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Post#1051 » by AirP. » Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:27 am

Sure, you'll get one of Herro or Duncan, not both, here's Nunn, some filler and a future 1st that'll be near the end of the draft. Resign Dragic, Crowder, Leonard, and DJJ and let's go!
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Post#1052 » by Wiltside » Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:30 am

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I mean, that one is obvious. Herro has made himself into a pretty prime trade chip at any rate.

Not that I think he's going anywhere anytime soon, but it's nice to know we have another very valuable piece that can certainly put us in the conversation for All-NBA calibre guys as they become available.
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Post#1053 » by Beenie » Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:59 am

Wiltside wrote:
Beenie wrote:

National media's trying to mess up Mia's 2021 FA plans : )


I understand all that, but the bottom line is, Bam is getting paid regardless of whether the max extension happens immediately or next offszn.

If Giannis has given his agent an inkling he's keen on Miami too, then the agents responsibility will be to also ensure Miami can keep their flexibility open to accommodate him. I'm sure he then too would've had this conversation with Bam for his understanding - and then it's up to Bam to either say "cool" or "nah pay me".

If (god forbid) Bam went down with a serious injury this year, we'd still max him regardless. He's getting paid.

Just the media trying to create headlines really. Move on people, nothing to see here.


The implication is that if Mia forces Bam to wait that it'll potentially upset him and cause him to want out.

It's a legit concern and requires management skills to which I have the utmost confidence in Riley's ability to handle such things.
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Post#1054 » by HeatingUp3 » Wed Oct 28, 2020 1:57 am

Trading Herro would hurt my as phuck. But i don't believe it would happend unless its for Giannis/Harden.
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Post#1055 » by Wiltside » Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:18 am

Beenie wrote:The implication is that if Mia forces Bam to wait that it'll potentially upset him and cause him to want out.

It's a legit concern and requires management skills to which I have the utmost confidence in Riley's ability to handle such things.


I get the implication. But the bottom line is, he knows how valued he is by us. We've been espousing it from the rooftops about how he's our most important player, that he's the next UD/DWade, that he's an All-NBA calibre guy etc etc.

At the end of the day, he's going into RFA, not UFA...so even if he did crack the chits a little, the bottom line is he'd get a max offer from someone and we'd match it.

You may recall a similar thing happened with Eric Gordon many moons ago. He signed an offer sheet with the Suns and went to the Media saying he didn't want New Orleans to match and wanted to go play in the desert. Nawlins matched and he played out the remaining 4 years of his contract there before mutually moving on to Houston.

Is it the healthiest way of dealing with it? Probably not. But the bottom line is, the team has full control over this situation. The fact that Bam and Giannis share an agent means that the agent has to walk a very delicate tightrope on this one. As does Riley and our Front Office.

I fully expect no extension offer coming this offseason. I'd be shocked actually if we offered one.
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Post#1056 » by SA37 » Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:41 am

Beal is a good shooting guard, but he isn't an elite player. I wouldn't trade Herro, who I think can be a CJ McCollum/Ray Allen type player, for him at this point.

I still think Miami is going to get Olynyk to opt in and hold off on Bam's extension, give Crowder and Dragic 1-year, ~$15/20million deals, and will probably match anything for Jones Jr that doesn't go over the MLE.

I'd love for Miami to sign Ibaka, but I don't know if that would be possible while keeping the cap space necessary for the FA period after next season. I'd also like Miami to give Carmelo Anthony and Marco Belinelli some consideration and see if JJ Redick is available.

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Post#1057 » by twix2500 » Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:48 pm

I'm happy with Herro rookie season. But if Beal is available I have no problem using Herro in a deal. Yes Herro when he reaches his prime may be as good as Beal. Im more interested in competing for titles more so than watching someone grow up on the team. Beal is at his peak prime years, he can help this team compete for a title the next five years.

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Post#1058 » by Cmon_Son-_- » Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:03 pm

twix2500 wrote:I'm happy with Herro rookie season. But if Beal is available I have no problem using Herro in a deal. Yes Herro when he reaches his prime may be as good as Beal. Im more interested in competing for titles more so than watching someone grow up on the team. Beal is at his peak prime years, he can help this team compete for a title the next five years.

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Agreed. Reminds me the hold winslow had on this fanbase tho Tyler actually has flashed and shown what he could be consistently. I remember fans turning down a Winslow for Jimmy deal straight up even tho Jimmy was exactly who they projected winslow to be. Same thing with Beal and Tyler thats the caliber player we hope Tyler becomes but Beal is already that player and is 27. Why go through the growing pains when you can have the caliber player now.
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Post#1059 » by RexBoyWonder » Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:29 pm

The Homer in me wouldn't want to trade Herro for a non superstar (I think Beal is alegit Star, not superstar) BUT,

Realistically Herro's Celling is probably What Beal is right now
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Post#1060 » by RexBoyWonder » Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:51 pm

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twix2500 wrote:I'm happy with Herro rookie season. But if Beal is available I have no problem using Herro in a deal. Yes Herro when he reaches his prime may be as good as Beal. Im more interested in competing for titles more so than watching someone grow up on the team. Beal is at his peak prime years, he can help this team compete for a title the next five years.

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Agreed. Reminds me the hold winslow had on this fanbase tho Tyler actually has flashed and shown what he could be consistently. I remember fans turning down a Winslow for Jimmy deal straight up even tho Jimmy was exactly who they projected winslow to be. Same thing with Beal and Tyler thats the caliber player we hope Tyler becomes but Beal is already that player and is 27. Why go through the growing pains when you can have the caliber player now.


Despite my previous post, i think the answer is -

Herro can be a home grown star which is always more valuable then a gun for hire type player,

He's loved by every fan and by the org, It's super fan to watch a young stud grow his game year by year,

He's much cheaper for the next 3 years which allows us to add other talents that Beal's contract wouldn't allow.
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