OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread

[HarthorneWingo]

if only the cops had this kind of patience with everyone.

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[ScienceOfLosing]

I like how for this train of thought, it never crosses y'all's minds that Covid would have long term effects in 5-10 years

Like, y'all phrase it as no long term effects vs possible long term effects of the vaccine, but it's not

Y'all are more concerned about possible long term effects of a vaccine which underwent actual testing before being distributed than you are about possible long term effects of a virus that we know already kills people and is super contagious.

The animal tests with mRNA were all stopped because of two reasons:

1. Animals were dying
2. Animals became dependant on the mRNA for their immunity as their immune systems started failing. We are seeing MANY reports of this out of Israel.

The Pfizer trial runs through May 2023. This is an experiment by definition. Now, if they want to offer people a standard vaccine, I think there would be less resistance and it would most likely work much better as this vaccine is a disaster - from side effects, to deaths, to not stopping transmission of ´ CV to not stopping infection. (Though it certainly seems to lower the death rate CV (at the cost of the preceding.) Any other vaccines fit that bill? That is because this isn't a vaccine. It is an experiment in Spike Protein programming.

I don't know what you're talking about, but it just sounds like more whining about not wanting to do the bare minimum to help society

There wouldn't be less resistance because y'all just hate being told what to do. It's a temper tantrum. No matter how safe the vaccine is, y'all are gonna fight it cause y'all have the mindset of children

It's both funny and sad, this whole thing is a great showcase for how effective reverse psychology is.

Help society? Playing to the emotions much?

How about offering a dead virus style vaccine, instead of experimental mRNA gene therapy? That at least allows people to not be a part of a medical experiment. The number of people I've both known and seen hurt from the mRNA gene therapy now surpasses those I've known hurt from CV.

[Clyde_Style]

Mark Meadows sure is a dim bulb. He gave up incredibly damning evidence that appears it will secure indictments for Trump for insurrection and then he turned tail and stopped cooperating. He threw away all of his leverage and sank them all. What a dolt. It’s awesome

[robillionaire]

The animal tests with mRNA were all stopped because of two reasons:

1. Animals were dying
2. Animals became dependant on the mRNA for their immunity as their immune systems started failing. We are seeing MANY reports of this out of Israel.

The Pfizer trial runs through May 2023. This is an experiment by definition. Now, if they want to offer people a standard vaccine, I think there would be less resistance and it would most likely work much better as this vaccine is a disaster - from side effects, to deaths, to not stopping transmission of ´ CV to not stopping infection. (Though it certainly seems to lower the death rate CV (at the cost of the preceding.) Any other vaccines fit that bill? That is because this isn't a vaccine. It is an experiment in Spike Protein programming.

I don't know what you're talking about, but it just sounds like more whining about not wanting to do the bare minimum to help society

There wouldn't be less resistance because y'all just hate being told what to do. It's a temper tantrum. No matter how safe the vaccine is, y'all are gonna fight it cause y'all have the mindset of children

It's both funny and sad, this whole thing is a great showcase for how effective reverse psychology is.

Help society? Playing to the emotions much?

How about offering a dead virus style vaccine, instead of experimental mRNA gene therapy? That at least allows people to not be a part of a medical experiment. The number of people I've both known and seen hurt from the mRNA gene therapy now surpasses those I've known hurt from CV.

Don’t get vaccinated then, but nobody else should care about your unscientific anecdotal evidence especially when the reality is billions of people are vaccinated and fine and over 5 million now dead with covid

[Clyde_Style]

I don't know what you're talking about, but it just sounds like more whining about not wanting to do the bare minimum to help society

There wouldn't be less resistance because y'all just hate being told what to do. It's a temper tantrum. No matter how safe the vaccine is, y'all are gonna fight it cause y'all have the mindset of children

It's both funny and sad, this whole thing is a great showcase for how effective reverse psychology is.

Help society? Playing to the emotions much?

How about offering a dead virus style vaccine, instead of experimental mRNA gene therapy? That at least allows people to not be a part of a medical experiment. The number of people I've both known and seen hurt from the mRNA gene therapy now surpasses those I've known hurt from CV.

Don’t get vaccinated then, but nobody else should care about your unscientific anecdotal evidence especially when the reality is billions of people are vaccinated and fine and over 5 million now dead with covid

They called mRNA gene therapy. This is clown talk. The mRNA technology used in these vaccines does NOT enter the nucleus of our cells and it does NOT alter our DNA. It is called Messenger RNA for a reason. It communicates what proteins to generate then it dissembles itself and leaves your body. Sick of this BS

[robillionaire]

Help society? Playing to the emotions much?

How about offering a dead virus style vaccine, instead of experimental mRNA gene therapy? That at least allows people to not be a part of a medical experiment. The number of people I've both known and seen hurt from the mRNA gene therapy now surpasses those I've known hurt from CV.

Don’t get vaccinated then, but nobody else should care about your unscientific anecdotal evidence especially when the reality is billions of people are vaccinated and fine and over 5 million now dead with covid

They called mRNA gene therapy. This is clown talk. The mRNA technology used in these vaccines does NOT enter the nucleus of our cells and it does NOT alter our DNA. It is called Messenger RNA for a reason. It communicates what proteins to generate then it dissembles itself and leaves your body. Sick of this BS

That misleading descriptor along with repeatedly using the word experiment are the same types of appeal to emotion tactics of which they accused the other poster ironically enough

[HarthorneWingo]

Help society? Playing to the emotions much?

How about offering a dead virus style vaccine, instead of experimental mRNA gene therapy? That at least allows people to not be a part of a medical experiment. The number of people I've both known and seen hurt from the mRNA gene therapy now surpasses those I've known hurt from CV.

Don’t get vaccinated then, but nobody else should care about your unscientific anecdotal evidence especially when the reality is billions of people are vaccinated and fine and over 5 million now dead with covid

They called mRNA gene therapy. This is clown talk. The mRNA technology used in these vaccines does NOT enter the nucleus of our cells and it does NOT alter our DNA. It is called Messenger RNA for a reason. It communicates what proteins to generate then it dissembles itself and leaves your body. Sick of this BS

[Clyde_Style]

I have not been doing Twitter for a while so I was out of touch with the political opinions of the Twitter rank and file you can deduce from the comments to tweets.

Last night I searched for “Meadows” on Twitter.

I was gobsmacked at the amount of stupidity displayed by the average tweet responder. There seemed to be a 80-90% ratio of those who felt the January 6th Committee was a failure. Or they preferred swift action vs. thoroughness. It’s amazing to me. Sure, we’ve had discussions here about the probabilities of these criminals being brought to justice, but those here who are inherently skeptical about the outcome is a different line of thinking.

What I am seeing is literal consensual blindness to the actual facts. It convinces me more than ever the mental disorders of the modern mind wherein facts and science are incoherently swept aside in favor of emotion is not limited to any political persuasion.

These are mostly liberal or left of some stripe or at least people who are deeply offended at the attempt to overthrow a fair election. And they are kind of a mob on Twitter at this point decrying the lack of activity and gnashing their teeth that the fascists will win if we do nothing. Frankly, it’s juvenile trash and some of it comes from Tweeters with significant followings. The writer Don Winslow who is a big anti-Trump guy really soiled himself. It’s simply embarassing.

What is happening is exactly what people should want to happen if they actually want justice. This is the biggest political scandal in American history with thousands of moving parts and it is pretty clear the To Do List is long and being methodically checked off. They have so much data at this point it is no longer a matter of IF, but WHEN indictments will happen.

And lots of bitching and moaning about closed door proceedings. People are really stupid. Public hearings are coming early next year. Having their ducks in a row means they will be able to turn the screws even tighter with the cameras blazing. But it seems folks want any kind of action regardless of its efficacy.

Hmmm, let’s see. Bannon is indicted. The acting DOJ AG Clark and Trump’s lawyer Eastman are also in the process of being rung up for contempt of congress charges too. Meadows is next. They will all do time if they don’t cooperate. Meadows just gave up the road map and then foolishly backed away like a panicked man full of guilt. The list of subpoenaed collaborators is full and this is even before the live proceedings roll out.

And when they do, pleading the fifth will sink their boats and lying under oath will get them nailed LIVE as the committee will have the facts of their deeds before they open their mouths. The rats are scurrying already.

And then they will subpoeana Trump and his family. Those who don’t think this happen are completely out of touch. It is what they are working towards. And either Trump will decline and be indicted and arrested for contempt or he will show up with his usual idiot bravado and royally screw himself on the stand.

I swear. This country is pretty mentally weak at this point and that includes many of the people who are on my side.

[Clyde_Style]

All in all, another brick in the wall

New York A.G. to Subpoena Trump to Testify in Fraud Investigation

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/09/nyregion/trump-subpoena-testimony-letitia-james.html?utm_source=pocket_mylist

[thebuzzardman]

I have not been doing Twitter for a while so I was out of touch with the political opinions of the Twitter rank and file you can deduce from the comments to tweets.

Last night I searched for “Meadows” on Twitter.

I was gobsmacked at the amount of stupidity displayed by the average tweet responder. There seemed to be a 80-90% ratio of those who felt the January 6th Committee was a failure. Or they preferred swift action vs. thoroughness. It’s amazing to me. Sure, we’ve had discussions here about the probabilities of these criminals being brought to justice, but those here who are inherently skeptical about the outcome is a different line of thinking.

What I am seeing is literal consensual blindness to the actual facts. It convinces me more than ever the mental disorders of the modern mind wherein facts and science are incoherently swept aside in favor of emotion is not limited to any political persuasion.

These are mostly liberal or left of some stripe or at least people who are deeply offended at the attempt to overthrow a fair election. And they are kind of a mob on Twitter at this point decrying the lack of activity and gnashing their teeth that the fascists will win if we do nothing. Frankly, it’s juvenile trash and some of it comes from Tweeters with significant followings. The writer Don Winslow who is a big anti-Trump guy really soiled himself. It’s simply embarassing.

What is happening is exactly what people should want to happen if they actually want justice. This is the biggest political scandal in American history with thousands of moving parts and it is pretty clear the To Do List is long and being methodically checked off. They have so much data at this point it is no longer a matter of IF, but WHEN indictments will happen.

And lots of bitching and moaning about closed door proceedings. People are really stupid. Public hearings are coming early next year. Having their ducks in a row means they will be able to turn the screws even tighter with the cameras blazing. But it seems folks want any kind of action regardless of its efficacy.

Hmmm, let’s see. Bannon is indicted. The acting DOJ AG Clark and Trump’s lawyer Eastman are also in the process of being rung up for contempt of congress charges too. Meadows is next. They will all do time if they don’t cooperate. Meadows just gave up the road map and then foolishly backed away like a panicked man full of guilt. The list of subpoenaed collaborators is full and this is even before the live proceedings roll out.

And when they do, pleading the fifth will sink their boats and lying under oath will get them nailed LIVE as the committee will have the facts of their deeds before they open their mouths. The rats are scurrying already.

And then they will subpoeana Trump and his family. Those who don’t think this happen are completely out of touch. It is what they are working towards. And either Trump will decline and be indicted and arrested for contempt or he will show up with his usual idiot bravado and royally screw himself on the stand.

I swear. This country is pretty mentally weak at this point and that includes many of the people who are on my side.

It's surprising to you that people on the left lost faith in the government? It's not just right wingers.
That doesn't mean they are right, or right all the time. It's just a fact.
This post deserves a longer reply; I agree with most of it.
Americans are famously impatient.
The culture gets more tilted towards instant gratification every year, so unfortunately that also bleeds into their political thoughts.
I'm just adding people having a cynical lack of faith in the institutions right now is not something that in not understandable.
Again, it would be nice if they could separate those feelings from an understanding of how the criminal justice system works, when it works, but it's not surprising. Just disappointing.

[Clyde_Style]

I have not been doing Twitter for a while so I was out of touch with the political opinions of the Twitter rank and file you can deduce from the comments to tweets.

Last night I searched for “Meadows” on Twitter.

I was gobsmacked at the amount of stupidity displayed by the average tweet responder. There seemed to be a 80-90% ratio of those who felt the January 6th Committee was a failure. Or they preferred swift action vs. thoroughness. It’s amazing to me. Sure, we’ve had discussions here about the probabilities of these criminals being brought to justice, but those here who are inherently skeptical about the outcome is a different line of thinking.

What I am seeing is literal consensual blindness to the actual facts. It convinces me more than ever the mental disorders of the modern mind wherein facts and science are incoherently swept aside in favor of emotion is not limited to any political persuasion.

These are mostly liberal or left of some stripe or at least people who are deeply offended at the attempt to overthrow a fair election. And they are kind of a mob on Twitter at this point decrying the lack of activity and gnashing their teeth that the fascists will win if we do nothing. Frankly, it’s juvenile trash and some of it comes from Tweeters with significant followings. The writer Don Winslow who is a big anti-Trump guy really soiled himself. It’s simply embarassing.

What is happening is exactly what people should want to happen if they actually want justice. This is the biggest political scandal in American history with thousands of moving parts and it is pretty clear the To Do List is long and being methodically checked off. They have so much data at this point it is no longer a matter of IF, but WHEN indictments will happen.

And lots of bitching and moaning about closed door proceedings. People are really stupid. Public hearings are coming early next year. Having their ducks in a row means they will be able to turn the screws even tighter with the cameras blazing. But it seems folks want any kind of action regardless of its efficacy.

Hmmm, let’s see. Bannon is indicted. The acting DOJ AG Clark and Trump’s lawyer Eastman are also in the process of being rung up for contempt of congress charges too. Meadows is next. They will all do time if they don’t cooperate. Meadows just gave up the road map and then foolishly backed away like a panicked man full of guilt. The list of subpoenaed collaborators is full and this is even before the live proceedings roll out.

And when they do, pleading the fifth will sink their boats and lying under oath will get them nailed LIVE as the committee will have the facts of their deeds before they open their mouths. The rats are scurrying already.

And then they will subpoeana Trump and his family. Those who don’t think this happen are completely out of touch. It is what they are working towards. And either Trump will decline and be indicted and arrested for contempt or he will show up with his usual idiot bravado and royally screw himself on the stand.

I swear. This country is pretty mentally weak at this point and that includes many of the people who are on my side.

It's surprising to you that people on the left lost faith in the government? It's not just right wingers.
That doesn't mean they are right, or right all the time. It's just a fact.
This post deserves a longer reply; I agree with most of it.
Americans are famously impatient.
The culture gets more tilted towards instant gratification every year, so unfortunately that also bleeds into their political thoughts.
I'm just adding people having a cynical lack of faith in the institutions right now is not something that in not understandable.
Again, it would be nice if they could separate those feelings from an understanding of how the criminal justice system works, when it works, but it's not surprising. Just disappointing.

Yes. And it’s funny how cynicism and impatience typically only breeds further ignorance, not a quest for understanding or solutions.

And the irony is that if people want to preserve Democracy by enforcing the rule of law then they should have some basic grasp of due process and the discovery process. But they don’t. Formerly sensible people have become impatient children

[thebuzzardman]

Meadows and other folks covered here:

https://www.emptywheel.net/2021/12/09/bennie-thompson-will-need-to-bill-fbi-for-the-affidavits-hes-writing-for-them/

[Clyde_Style]

Meadows and other folks covered here:

https://www.emptywheel.net/2021/12/09/bennie-thompson-will-need-to-bill-fbi-for-the-affidavits-hes-writing-for-them/

That was an exhaustive list. It certainly drives home the point that Meadows is in very deep waters now and the Jan 6 Comm and the DOJ have an extensive roadmap to work with. I do think it makes it palpably clear that whether someone does get rung up for contempt or not is not always the true arbiter of that person’s status in the investigation. In Meadows case you could even argue not being indicted immediately may portend to much greater jeopardy for both him and Trump due to the feds following their crumbs down the rabbit hole.

[Clyde_Style]

Bing Bong!

Trump loses a big one

Man, the dominoes are falling fast and furious now and none of it is good news for Orangina.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/court-blocks-trump-attempt-claim-executive-privilege-jan-6-records-1269599/

This means Trump has one last bullet. Ask SCOTUS to take this case up. Sounds like that will be a big NO and then it is done, the Jan. 6 Committee will full access to the White House archives and the flimsy Executive Privilege game these jokers keep invoking will be dead in the water

This is going very well

Read on Twitter

[Clyde_Style]

It is rapidly becoming clear Meadows torpedoed the HMS Orangina

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/09/politics/january-6-committee-mark-meadows-texts/index.html

Short article with plenty of little nuggets, including confirmations that the committee has not revealed all of the subpoenaed witnesses who have coooperated and some of them are big names

[HarthorneWingo]

It is rapidly becoming clear Meadows torpedoed the HMS Orangina

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/09/politics/january-6-committee-mark-meadows-texts/index.html

Short article with plenty of little nuggets, including confirmations that the committee has not revealed all of the subpoenaed witnesses who have cooperated and some of them are big names

I haven't been following this closely as you. So Meadows gave up documents but then refused (again) to testify? Do I have that right? LOL, what's the point of that? Seems like he's trying to have it both ways. Or maybe I'm missing some other important info.

[Clyde_Style]

It is rapidly becoming clear Meadows torpedoed the HMS Orangina

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/09/politics/january-6-committee-mark-meadows-texts/index.html

Short article with plenty of little nuggets, including confirmations that the committee has not revealed all of the subpoenaed witnesses who have cooperated and some of them are big names

I haven't been following this closely as you. So Meadows gave up documents but then refused (again) to testify? Do I have that right? LOL, what's the point of that? Seems like he's trying to have it both ways. Or maybe I'm missing some other important info.

No you’re not missing anything

Meadows is actually that stupid

He thought he could do some half measure of the tango with committee while promoting his book by giving up some morsels. The dumb prick gave up quite a bit so there is some kind of delusion with Meadows

You can’t thread the needle when you’re the hub of the wheel of a mega scandal but in typical Trumpworld idiot hubris he thought he could outsmart the actual smart people on Capitol Hill

He’s also being indicted in GA by the election fraud grand jury there. Maybe he thought he could do enough to not incriminate himself in that case too

Maybe he got a phone call. We know the GOP blackmails their own , especially since Trump came on the scene. When Russian money flooded the GOP super pacs and Trump got the nomination all kinds of strange behavior happened in that party. It wasn’t just a cult, it is a blackmail operation

But the scandal is too vast now to contain so blackmail and threats can’t stop justice now. I read somewhere that Meadows is known as a fool on the hill so it is probably just him panicking like the dumb schmuck that he is

Keep in mind that Trump staffs based on bootlicking not competence. That kind of subservience won’t translate into loyalty when facing prison time. It’s a set of dominoes full of dummies falling over each other to get out of the way

[TrueWarrior]

Players left and right getting covid after a 97% jab rate in the NBA. More than last year already. No deaths in the NBA before the jab or after. Covid has a 99.8% survival rate, jabbed or not, so healthy young NBA players gettin “vaxxed” is (Please Use More Appropriate Word). It doesnt stop transmission at all which is why cases are sky high in the NBA and around the world, and more people have died of covid this year than last overall. Keep getting those boosters every 4 months to make Big Pharma richer tho yall for every stupid variant that the jab is creating lol.

[Clyde_Style]

Players left and right getting covid after a 97% jab rate in the NBA. More than last year already. No deaths in the NBA before the jab or after. Covid has a 99.8% survival rate, jabbed or not, so healthy young NBA players gettin “vaxxed” is (Please Use More Appropriate Word). It doesnt stop transmission at all which is why cases are sky high in the NBA and around the world, and more people have died of covid this year than last overall. Keep getting those boosters every 4 months tho yall for every stupid variant that the jab is creating lol.

Name another profession where you have to travel cross country by plane constantly, huddle in locker rooms, encounter 20,000 strangers each night and go mano a mano with other heaving slabs of meat that have also been in contact with exponential points of contact and transmission

And what compounds that is it only takes ONE of those players to break protocols to spread covid throughout the league very quickly

Their professional lifestyle has no correlation with the typical civilian scenario where you have some choice in controlling your routine and points of contact with strangers

And don't attempt to educate us on vaccine efficacy when the data resoundingly demonstrates unvaccinated people contract covid at significantly higher rates and the death rate has often hovered around 98% unvaccinated. Claiming that the vaccine does not work because some vaccinated people get covid is beyond ridiculous. Do you even know what efficacy in medicine means? It does not mean 100%.

[ScienceOfLosing]

I don't know what you're talking about, but it just sounds like more whining about not wanting to do the bare minimum to help society

There wouldn't be less resistance because y'all just hate being told what to do. It's a temper tantrum. No matter how safe the vaccine is, y'all are gonna fight it cause y'all have the mindset of children

It's both funny and sad, this whole thing is a great showcase for how effective reverse psychology is.

Help society? Playing to the emotions much?

How about offering a dead virus style vaccine, instead of experimental mRNA gene therapy? That at least allows people to not be a part of a medical experiment. The number of people I've both known and seen hurt from the mRNA gene therapy now surpasses those I've known hurt from CV.

Don’t get vaccinated then, but nobody else should care about your unscientific anecdotal evidence especially when the reality is billions of people are vaccinated and fine and over 5 million now dead with covid

Yeah, dead WITH covid, not FROM covid. 90% of these deaths had on average of 3 other co-morbidities. Extrapolate as you will.