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2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 4 - Trade season continues - No player trade restrictions

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Initial thoughts on KD for Bridges, Cam, Crowder, plus picks?

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Re: 2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 4 - Trade season continues - No player trade restrictions 

Post#1041 » by lilfishi22 » Wed Feb 1, 2023 12:48 am

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Peotl again lol.....and you get on me about my bringing up Presti or moving Ayton for OG/Siakam/actual good players.


You are aware that Peotl is a UFA and as such will not be taking discounts. So if are we sign and trading Ayton for him, how much....


Sure I'd like to trade him for Siakam, OG, etc, but I'm talking more realistic trades based on value Poeltl would have to be a S&T. He will probably make somewhere in between $20 and $25. Probably lower end of that.


So you think giving them Ayton and taking on McDermott plus paying Peotl 25/yr is a good move that will make the Suns a title contending team?

Asked the question before but why does Poeltl keep coming up? If the trade doesn't make us better....then what's the point of doing it at all. Sure it's realistic but why?
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Post#1042 » by bwgood77 » Wed Feb 1, 2023 12:49 am

irish22022 wrote:I gotta say, I'm surprised people are hopping on the Trade Dario train. He's finally getting back to being an NBA player. Having a guy that can come off the bench and actually do something on both sides of the floor is huge for us. He can also be a stretch 5. He's slower than ever now, I get it, but against other teams' backup centers he doesn't look as slow. I think Dario is shaping up to be a pretty important piece to this team, honestly.


So you think we should and are going to re-sign him? We are likely to be in the tax so it would seem odd to keep him being in the tax.
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Post#1043 » by Slim Charless » Wed Feb 1, 2023 12:53 am

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Sure I'd like to trade him for Siakam, OG, etc, but I'm talking more realistic trades based on value Poeltl would have to be a S&T. He will probably make somewhere in between $20 and $25. Probably lower end of that.


So you think giving them Ayton and taking on McDermott plus paying Peotl 25/yr is a good move that will make the Suns a title contending team?

Asked the question before but why does Poeltl keep coming up? If the trade doesn't make us better....then what's the point of doing it at all. Sure it's realistic but why?


Ask BW.

He brings up Poeltl in every trade discussion. Even put a poll up in 1 of these threads. I have not heard any rumor linking us to him.
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Post#1044 » by bwgood77 » Wed Feb 1, 2023 1:05 am

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Peotl again lol.....and you get on me about my bringing up Presti or moving Ayton for OG/Siakam/actual good players.


You are aware that Peotl is a UFA and as such will not be taking discounts. So if are we sign and trading Ayton for him, how much....


Sure I'd like to trade him for Siakam, OG, etc, but I'm talking more realistic trades based on value Poeltl would have to be a S&T. He will probably make somewhere in between $20 and $25. Probably lower end of that.


So you think giving them Ayton and taking on McDermott plus paying Peotl 25/yr is a good move that will make the Suns a title contending team?


No, I wouldn't do any of the trades for Ayton barring a star coming back. I like IVPointPlay's breakdown on twitter regarding Ayton and how much more lethal he can be now that Mikal has shown more and when Book comes back.
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Post#1045 » by bwoolf2 » Wed Feb 1, 2023 1:18 am

bwgood77 wrote:
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Sure I'd like to trade him for Siakam, OG, etc, but I'm talking more realistic trades based on value Poeltl would have to be a S&T. He will probably make somewhere in between $20 and $25. Probably lower end of that.


So you think giving them Ayton and taking on McDermott plus paying Peotl 25/yr is a good move that will make the Suns a title contending team?


No, I wouldn't do any of the trades for Ayton barring a star coming back. I like IVPointPlay's breakdown on twitter regarding Ayton and how much more lethal he can be now that Mikal has shown more and when Book comes back.


Also interested to see what ishbia does team personnel wise don't see major changes but he is going to make some wouldn't be surprised t see him bring in another individual to work with the bigs beyond the coaching staff
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Post#1046 » by Blonde » Wed Feb 1, 2023 1:41 am

Cam + 3 FRP for OG is outrageously bad value. Ayton in any OG trade is bad value. Cam + 2 FRP I have to think about because he is a better, younger player but I don’t believe he vaults us into the highest tier of contenders, so ultimately I would decline. If the deal can be just salary filler + 3 FRP so we can keep the core players, I think I’d do that and feel pretty good about our team for a long time.
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Post#1047 » by Jdiddy701 » Wed Feb 1, 2023 1:42 am

I have been waiting for the Suns to trade their picks for a superstar for some time now. The time is now, but the superstar is not OG Anunoby.


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Post#1048 » by Qwigglez » Wed Feb 1, 2023 1:43 am

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Sure I'd like to trade him for Siakam, OG, etc, but I'm talking more realistic trades based on value Poeltl would have to be a S&T. He will probably make somewhere in between $20 and $25. Probably lower end of that.


So realistic trades in your eyes is Poeltl and McDermott for Ayton? Is that because you feel the value is fair for both teams? Why do the Spurs want a 25 year old Ayton? I don't see Poeltl getting a contract for $20 million. Maybe $17.5 million at most IMO.

It wasn't long ago you thought Spurs wouldn't trade Dejounte Murray at all. And the Hawks didn't have to trade Trae Young, John Collins, Capela, Onyeka, or virtually any of their young pieces. Simply expiring contract of Gallinari and picks. So maybe your idea of realistic is just Suns getting taken advantage of.

With Murray as a bar for trade value, I think 3 1sts and expiring contracts is probably a good enough offer for OG. He isn't on the level of Mitchell or Gobert, so I doubt it would take much more than that.
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Post#1049 » by bwgood77 » Wed Feb 1, 2023 1:46 am

From Shams and Zach Harper via The Athletic:

Biggest questions with his West picks:

Was Devin Booker better in his playing time than Kawhi Leonard? Who should get penalized more for missing time?
Should De’Aaron Fox get in over both? Do the Kings deserve two All-Stars? Did you know Sacramento hasn’t had two All-Stars since 2004, the year “Frasier” aired its series finale?

Some really tough decisions have to be made here. I don’t know whether I could leave Booker off the West reserves, even with all those missed games. The Suns completely fell apart when Booker got hurt, enjoying an 11.3-point swing in offensive efficiency over his 1,002 minutes on the court this season. He was playing legitimate MVP ballot-level basketball. Booker has still played more games than Kawhi.

Fox has been really good and played way more than both guys. He’s also a catalyst for potentially snapping the longest playoff drought in league history (16 seasons).


From Hollinger via The Athletic:

Too often, it seems like early injuries end up overvalued in the selection process; we’ll see if that happens this year. Particularly in the West, this is a crucial debate. Players such as Devin Booker, Anthony Davis, Kawhi Leonard and Zion Williamson have only played a bit more than half their team’s games; however, each will still likely end the season having played in the 50 to 60 range. Is that enough to put them in ahead of players who are tracking closer to 80-game campaigns such as Domantas Sabonis, Anthony Edwards and Lauri Markkanen?

With Williamson somewhat unexpectedly being voted a starter ahead of Davis — he’d only played 92 more minutes when the voting was announced, is still out of the lineup and, while great, has not had the statistical season Davis has had — that debate shifts to the reserve choices, particularly the two frontcourt reserves in the West.

To wit, do we take Markkanen over Leonard when we know Leonard is a better player? On the other hand, Leonard has played barely half as many minutes, and we can reasonably expect him to miss more time (the Clippers predictably sat him in the back-to-back in Cleveland on Sunday, for instance, and still have four more left.) A similar debate involves Davis, who has only played 52 minutes more than Leonard as of Monday afternoon.

At the very least, three backcourt reserve spots in the West are obvious: Ja Morant, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and Damian Lillard. After that, we get into a gray area. For me, the combination of durability and production from Sabonis and Markkanen is too impressive to ignore, so they’re my next two picks.

That leaves two spots open. From the durability club, the next-best candidates are De’Aaron Fox and Edwards; I don’t think a reasonable person would choose either over the best of the half-season club (Leonard, Davis or Booker) to start a playoff series. Unlike Sabonis and Markkanen, Fox’s and Edwards’ 2022-23 half-season performances haven’t been quite so overwhelming for me to overlook that. Paul George is somewhere between the two poles; he’s missed games and hasn’t quite been his elite self when he’s played.

You can make a case I should have taken Booker here over Markkanen too, but he ends up as my last cut.

My West reserves: Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Thunder; Ja Morant, Grizzlies; Damian Lillard, Blazers; Domantas Sabonis, Kings; Lauri Markkanen, Jazz; Anthony Davis, Lakers; Kawhi Leonard, Clippers

If you think Booker should get in despite all the games missed, who would you take out of the above? Seems like Book should get in over Kawhi. The only thing with that is that the 3 reserves he thinks should definitely get in are Ja, Shai and Lillard, all guards, so it might make coaches voting put their other 3 picks as forwards/centers wtih the latter 3 above.
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Post#1050 » by Slim Charless » Wed Feb 1, 2023 1:57 am

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Sure I'd like to trade him for Siakam, OG, etc, but I'm talking more realistic trades based on value Poeltl would have to be a S&T. He will probably make somewhere in between $20 and $25. Probably lower end of that.


So you think giving them Ayton and taking on McDermott plus paying Peotl 25/yr is a good move that will make the Suns a title contending team?


No, I wouldn't do any of the trades for Ayton barring a star coming back. I like IVPointPlay's breakdown on twitter regarding Ayton and how much more lethal he can be now that Mikal has shown more and when Book comes back.


So if you agree that its bad value, then why do you constantly have us doing that exact trade? Also does that not make JJ a bad GM if he were to agree to that? I ask cause you constantly throw water on my Presti suggestions. A bad GM does that trade, so why would we keep a bad GM around.....?

It's circular logic you're using with this Poetl thing you have going on.
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Post#1051 » by Qwigglez » Wed Feb 1, 2023 2:01 am

IMO you can't have two all-stars on your team if your team is 23-28 and sitting in 13th place in either conference. Lillard also shouldn't make it since his team is 12th. We have Zion starting and Lebron meanwhile both of their teams are close to not making the playoffs.

Don't care too much about the all-star weekend though.
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Post#1052 » by bwgood77 » Wed Feb 1, 2023 2:05 am

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Sure I'd like to trade him for Siakam, OG, etc, but I'm talking more realistic trades based on value Poeltl would have to be a S&T. He will probably make somewhere in between $20 and $25. Probably lower end of that.


So realistic trades in your eyes is Poeltl and McDermott for Ayton? Is that because you feel the value is fair for both teams? Why do the Spurs want a 25 year old Ayton? I don't see Poeltl getting a contract for $20 million. Maybe $17.5 million at most IMO.

It wasn't long ago you thought Spurs wouldn't trade Dejounte Murray at all. And the Hawks didn't have to trade Trae Young, John Collins, Capela, Onyeka, or virtually any of their young pieces. Simply expiring contract of Gallinari and picks. So maybe your idea of realistic is just Suns getting taken advantage of.

With Murray as a bar for trade value, I think 3 1sts and expiring contracts is probably a good enough offer for OG. He isn't on the level of Mitchell or Gobert, so I doubt it would take much more than that.


I didn't think the Spurs would trade Murray, but more mentioned it in a rebuttal to a GoK premise where they would trade him to us for Chris Paul.

As for the Ayton mentions, it primarily comes down to what teams I see that may have interest in Ayton IF they don't get Victor (I don't expect any of the teams to trade for him pre lottery or probably draft)....and those are potentially CHA, DET, SA and maybe Toronto.

I also think Jones may not be extremely high on Ayton at his price, and would like to spend less on a C, one that may fit our scheme better and provide better interior defense, while adding a vet shooter since he values vets over young guys (always go in to win now). Poeltl is solid defensively, rebounding and passing, and they could get McDermott and probably a pick.

It just depends on whether they want to move on from Ayton and what teams might have interest and need a C. I wouldn't make any of those trades and would continue to roll with Ayton personally, barring we can get a star player in return.
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Post#1053 » by bwgood77 » Wed Feb 1, 2023 2:07 am

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So you think giving them Ayton and taking on McDermott plus paying Peotl 25/yr is a good move that will make the Suns a title contending team?


No, I wouldn't do any of the trades for Ayton barring a star coming back. I like IVPointPlay's breakdown on twitter regarding Ayton and how much more lethal he can be now that Mikal has shown more and when Book comes back.


So if you agree that its bad value, then why do you constantly have us doing that exact trade? Also does that not make JJ a bad GM if he were to agree to that? I ask cause you constantly throw water on my Presti suggestions. A bad GM does that trade, so why would we keep a bad GM around.....?

It's circular logic you're using with this Poetl thing you have going on.


Because I mention what I think is realistic possibilities. Of course I'd prefer your thoughts on getting Siakam or SGA or whoever else, some star, but I don't see it happening. I've said this repeatedly.
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Post#1054 » by Blonde » Wed Feb 1, 2023 2:10 am

Jdiddy701 wrote:I have been waiting for the Suns to trade their picks for a superstar for some time now. The time is now, but the superstar is not OG Anunoby.


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I agree in theory but at a certain point we may not be able to trade for the perfect complimentary star and may have to take a gamble. I don’t think OG is a star per se but he’s a worthy gamble if all we’re giving up is picks. I’m cool saving our ammo for the summer, but if the big fish doesn’t come along in the offseason then we may have squandered our title window entirely.
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Post#1055 » by Blonde » Wed Feb 1, 2023 2:14 am

I’m taking Booker over Leonard for all star this year. Maybe biased but Booker has been better overall in the games they have played so far.
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Post#1056 » by grumpysaddle » Wed Feb 1, 2023 2:29 am

If we can get OG with a couple firsts and scrap contracts, I'm in. I'd like to hang onto CamJo. I think a wing rotation of Bridges/OG/CamJo is absolutely killer.

I'd say something like... Saric/Shamet/2023 + 2025 FRP seems about right. Throw in a 2nd or two if they say no.
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Post#1057 » by garrick » Wed Feb 1, 2023 2:30 am

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Saben Lee's second 10-day contract has expired and he is no longer under contract with the team, per Suns.


A player can only sign two standard 10-day contracts with the same team in the same season, but can sign more with the hardship exception


Why isn't JJ applying for the hardship exemption? :roll:
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Post#1058 » by lilfishi22 » Wed Feb 1, 2023 2:31 am

Blonde wrote:
Jdiddy701 wrote:I have been waiting for the Suns to trade their picks for a superstar for some time now. The time is now, but the superstar is not OG Anunoby.


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I agree in theory but at a certain point we may not be able to trade for the perfect complimentary star and may have to take a gamble. I don’t think OG is a star per se but he’s a worthy gamble if all we’re giving up is picks. I’m cool saving our ammo for the summer, but if the big fish doesn’t come along in the offseason then we may have squandered our title window entirely.

OG isn't a worthy gamble. Especially not for the price Toronto is asking for.
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Post#1059 » by bwgood77 » Wed Feb 1, 2023 2:31 am

Qwigglez wrote:IMO you can't have two all-stars on your team if your team is 23-28 and sitting in 13th place in either conference. Lillard also shouldn't make it since his team is 12th. We have Zion starting and Lebron meanwhile both of their teams are close to not making the playoffs.

Don't care too much about the all-star weekend though.


Are you saying you don't think AD should make it? The west is so close I am not sure records will be a big factor plus they have been a lot better in games with Lillard. What about Fox? He's averaging 24/6/4 on the team in 3rd place.
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Post#1060 » by BobbieL » Wed Feb 1, 2023 2:33 am

grumpysaddle wrote:If we can get OG with a couple firsts and scrap contracts, I'm in. I'd like to hang onto CamJo. I think a wing rotation of Bridges/OG/CamJo is absolutely killer.

I'd say something like... Saric/Shamet/2023 + 2025 FRP seems about right. Throw in a 2nd or two if they say no.


This is where I am at. They can also get Nwora if that Bucks trade is legitimate. Ibaka too. Suns can keep George Hill.

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