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We Are Stuck With Him - The Lance Stephenson Thread II

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Re: We Are Stuck With Him - The Lance Stephenson Thread II 

Post#1061 » by Liver_Pooty » Sat Feb 28, 2015 12:18 am

Charlotte Hornets coach Steve Clifford is, by nature, candid. But Friday evening before the Boston Celtics game was the most direct I’ve heard him on the subject of Lance Stephenson.

Circled by media from Boston and some national outlets, Clifford said the first problem was totally unrealistic expectations from fans and media when Stephenson signed with the Hornets.

“A lot of this is totally off-base among basketball people,” Clifford said of the hype that Stephenson was on the verge of stardom. “He’s 23 years old. He’d played for one coach in one offense.”

As Clifford noted, Stephenson averaged 8.8 points two seasons ago and 13.8 points last season. So it was a much more realistic expectation he’d play in the vicinity of this season’s numbers (8.9 per game) than that he’d suddenly emerge as a 20 ppg., guy with a new team.

As Clifford described, Stephenson was the third or fourth option for the Indiana Pacers and it was much easier for him to get high-quality shots playing off the likes of Paul George and David West than it’s been with the offensively-challenged Hornets.

“The biggest problem for him is having to make more pull-ups this year than layups last year,” Clifford said, describing how Stephenson could get the ball to West, cut to the rim and get two or three cheap baskets a game.

Instead, Stephenson is shooting 37 percent from the field this season and 15 percent from 3-point range.

Clifford contrasted point guard Mo Williams’ quick transition to the Hornets with Stephenson’s more rocky experience. He said that’s not Stephenson’s fault; rather it illustrates the difference in their experiences.

Williams has played for seven other NBA franchises. He has seen everything the league can throw at him.

“Mo Williams in two days knew everything,” Clifford said.

Stephenson had no similar experiences on which he could rely when he signed with the Hornets in July.

“This is Lance’s first time playing with new guys,” Clifford said, adding it’s a fallacy Stephenson isn’t doing his part to make this work,

“His attitude has been fine,” Clifford said. “He hasn’t been kicked out of practice, or any of that.”


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Re: We Are Stuck With Him - The Lance Stephenson Thread II 

Post#1062 » by yosemiteben » Sat Feb 28, 2015 12:32 am

That was about as bad as Cliff roasted Lance back in November.
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Post#1063 » by Eoghan » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:49 am

I am 100% fine with that and agree with the vast majority of it. Nobody should draw offense from those comments. What does bother me is that "His attitude has been fine...He hasn't been kicked out of practice, or any of that" is a complete 180 from every goddamn rumor we've been hearing all season, i.e. Lance is a cancer, has bad body language, isn't gelling with teammates etc. For once I'm inclined to believe Clifford on this but I'm still getting tired of the mixed signals coming from this FO these days.
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Re: We Are Stuck With Him - The Lance Stephenson Thread II 

Post#1064 » by Diop » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:54 am

BrotherDave wrote:I am 100% fine with that and agree with the vast majority of it. Nobody should draw offense from those comments. What does bother me is that "His attitude has been fine...He hasn't been kicked out of practice, or any of that" is a complete 180 from every goddamn rumor we've been hearing all season, i.e. Lance is a cancer, has bad body language, isn't gelling with teammates etc. For once I'm inclined to believe Clifford on this but I'm still getting tired of the mixed signals coming from this FO these days.

his attitude might be fine when training etc but he often looks like a petulant child on the court
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Post#1065 » by gipper08 » Sat Feb 28, 2015 2:34 pm

“The biggest problem for him is having to make more pull-ups this year than layups last year,” Clifford said, describing how Stephenson could get the ball to West, cut to the rim and get two or three cheap baskets a game.

ha, ha Cliff you magnificent bas****. you see it! but to Cliff, baseline layups off the ball are "cheap"(or that is the writer but it reflects Cliff regardless). How about you tell your cookie cutter, canned, risk averse, dog trained players to hit him on the baseline 2-3 times per game to give him confidence and your team 6 more points per game. I am CERTAIN that that off the ball offense gets Lance going and his ONLY problem is confidence.

"Stephenson could get the ball to West, cut to the rim and get two or three cheap baskets a game"
Yes, Cliff this is called OFFENSE. This is called basketball. You should try it.
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Re: We Are Stuck With Him - The Lance Stephenson Thread II 

Post#1066 » by MasterIchiro » Sat Feb 28, 2015 2:59 pm

Seems Cliff would look better if Lance had Paul George instead of MKG (99% will argue that here) and West instead of Marvin (no disrespect to Vonleh fans).

Cliff is basically saying this team is not as talented as the Pacers and that's not Lances fault and it's certainly not Clifford's fault. He doesn't have the talent to create opportunities for Lance like George and West.

Not to mention the letdown when you get beat on D, Al is behind you instead of Hibbert.
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Post#1067 » by BlackOutBuzz » Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:10 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:Seems Cliff would look better if Lance had Paul George instead of MKG (99% will argue that here)


Yes, 99% of us believe MKG is better than George.
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Post#1068 » by JDR720 » Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:31 pm

MKG is better than George. Better rebounder and defender, better name, less turnovers and fouls per game, shoots a higher FG%. the only thing George got MKG in is scoring average and 3pt shooting.

MKG >> George

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Post#1069 » by catch20two » Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:56 pm

Is the Lance not healthy yet excuse still relevant? We need more excuses. Excuses will get us thru this season. Excuses excuse what explanations don't explain. Excuses!
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Re: We Are Stuck With Him - The Lance Stephenson Thread II 

Post#1070 » by Diop » Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:57 pm

to me its Cliff saying that they really shouldn't have signed Lance for the role they expected, which was a 2 guard who could come in an be an immediate upgrade. Someone who could really take a load on offence. Lance isn't good enough to deliver what they hoped for their "star signing"

Lance is a poor mans MKG. I'm sure 99% of Indiana fans would prefer having MKG over Lance.
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Post#1071 » by catch20two » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:00 pm

Sachmo wrote:to me its Cliff saying that they really shouldn't have signed Lance for the role they expected, which was a 2 guard who could come in an be an immediate upgrade at 2 guard. Someone who could really take a load on offence. Lance isn't good enough to deliver what they hoped for their "star signing"

Lance is a poor mans MKG. I'm sure 99% of Indiana fans would prefer having MKG over Lance.

I would like to ask what 2 guard for the role was still available by the time we decided to go after Lance? Cho obviously didn't want Lance but he exhausted all of his options wasting time on Hayward which I thought was a bad move unless he had another trick up his sleeve because everyone knew Utah would match so Cho don't get off the hook for going after a restricted player. They're called restricted free agents for a reason.
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Post#1072 » by catch20two » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:03 pm

Lance has been trash but I don't blame his signing as a bad thing. It was a last ditch effort to make something out of our free agency after the mediocre signings of Marv and Roberts. That's why I won't quip on Lance as much as I do Marv and Roberts. Signing Lance was a desperate measure worth trying.
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Re: We Are Stuck With Him - The Lance Stephenson Thread II 

Post#1073 » by LamarMatic7 » Sat Feb 28, 2015 7:09 pm

catch20two wrote:Lance has been trash but I don't blame his signing as a bad thing. It was a last ditch effort to make something out of our free agency after the mediocre signings of Marv and Roberts. That's why I won't quip on Lance as much as I do Marv and Roberts. Signing Lance was a desperate measure worth trying.

I'm not sure but I do think that we signed Lance before we acquired Marv and Roberts.
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Post#1074 » by yosemiteben » Sat Feb 28, 2015 7:17 pm

LamarMatic7 wrote:
catch20two wrote:Lance has been trash but I don't blame his signing as a bad thing. It was a last ditch effort to make something out of our free agency after the mediocre signings of Marv and Roberts. That's why I won't quip on Lance as much as I do Marv and Roberts. Signing Lance was a desperate measure worth trying.

I'm not sure but I do think that we signed Lance before we acquired Marv and Roberts.

Think catch is right that they came first but I'm honestly not sure either.

McRoberts walked while we were trying to solve our SG situation. Cho scrambled for a PF that could play a similar role and got Marvin. Lance's signing had nothing to do with Marvin, we were already trying to upgrade at SG.
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Post#1075 » by BeesWax » Sat Feb 28, 2015 7:35 pm

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LamarMatic7 wrote:
catch20two wrote:Lance has been trash but I don't blame his signing as a bad thing. It was a last ditch effort to make something out of our free agency after the mediocre signings of Marv and Roberts. That's why I won't quip on Lance as much as I do Marv and Roberts. Signing Lance was a desperate measure worth trying.

I'm not sure but I do think that we signed Lance before we acquired Marv and Roberts.

Think catch is right that they came first but I'm honestly not sure either.

McRoberts walked while we were trying to solve our SG situation. Cho scrambled for a PF that could play a similar role and got Marvin. Lance's signing had nothing to do with Marvin, we were already trying to upgrade at SG.

Not sure when everything was agreed to but Lance signed on the 18th and Marvin on the 21st and Roberts on the 23rd according to ESPN transactions page.
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Post#1076 » by BeesWax » Sat Feb 28, 2015 7:39 pm

All the announcements of agreeing to terms happened within a week of each other. So it does not seem that anyone was a reaction to anyone else as much as these guys were supposed to provide Clifford with what he wanted for his offense. Lance seems more like an effort to upgrade our SG spot with a young guy to grow with our core more than anything else.
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Post#1077 » by yosemiteben » Sat Feb 28, 2015 7:44 pm

I feel like it's obvious that Lance and Al cancel out each other's strengths. Lance is the opposite of a floor spacer and is most successful in PNR and drive and dish situations where he has an empty lane. Is it just totally insane to want to move Lance into the starting lineup for Hendo when Biz comes back?
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Post#1078 » by BeesWax » Sat Feb 28, 2015 8:16 pm

Lance needs to play with Biz and so does Cody. Both would benefit by an active center who moves around the floor and sets good screens. It would open up the post more for Cody and open up the back door cuts he does well on. Lance would be able to get a screen where the screener makes contact with the defender and then rolls and can jump for a lob.

You cannot lob to Al because he cannot jump up to get it.
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Post#1079 » by catch20two » Sat Feb 28, 2015 9:29 pm

LamarMatic7 wrote:
catch20two wrote:Lance has been trash but I don't blame his signing as a bad thing. It was a last ditch effort to make something out of our free agency after the mediocre signings of Marv and Roberts. That's why I won't quip on Lance as much as I do Marv and Roberts. Signing Lance was a desperate measure worth trying.

I'm not sure but I do think that we signed Lance before we acquired Marv and Roberts.

We agreed to terms with Marv on 7/12, Roberts on 7/13, and then Lance on 7/16. We offered Hayward the max contract sheet on 7/9.
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