Otto Porter Part 2

[J-Ves]

Best guess is that there are some teams willing to give Porter a full max contract. Philly in particular might do so. But I wonder if Porter will chase the money. If Philly offers 4 years at $25M a year and we offer 5 years at $20M a year and a chance at a championship, does Porter stay?

He might take a slight discount but it won't be for $5 million a year.

[Illmatic12]

Best guess is that there are some teams willing to give Porter a full max contract. Philly in particular might do so. But I wonder if Porter will chase the money. If Philly offers 4 years at $25M a year and we offer 5 years at $20M a year and a chance at a championship, does Porter stay?

Assuming Otto performs as he has been through the playoffs, I offer him 5/100M before FA starts to show our commitment. There is NO WAY he gets an offer lower than 4/90M, so why not stay ahead of it. OP seems like a guy that would appreciate the way we embrace him. He went to GT, he is beloved in DC and the owner, and he plays with the perfect PG/SG compliment to him. One of the few players that will really understand and appreciate his environment.

Agreed, we should offer Otto a flat contract with no raises, but lets iron it out and present it to him before the FA period even starts.

Something like 4yrs/90M (don't think we can offer him 5yrs) is still a serious amount of money for a young guy, and I don't think Otto is in it for the cash. Unfortunately though, David Falk most certainly is and I'm worried he will try to gouge the Wizards for everything he can during Otto's negotiations.

[payitforward]

It's not "cash", it's wealth. & he has a 12 year window to gather it in.

Falk's job is to maximize wealth for his client. That's what it means to be someone's "agent." Would you hire someone to be your agent who said, nah I'm not going to do that?

Falk isn't going to "gouge the Wizards" or anyone; he's going to get the best deal for his client. Yes, that's "everything he can."

[nate33]

Best guess is that there are some teams willing to give Porter a full max contract. Philly in particular might do so. But I wonder if Porter will chase the money. If Philly offers 4 years at $25M a year and we offer 5 years at $20M a year and a chance at a championship, does Porter stay?

Assuming Otto performs as he has been through the playoffs, I offer him 5/100M before FA starts to show our commitment. There is NO WAY he gets an offer lower than 4/90M, so why not stay ahead of it. OP seems like a guy that would appreciate the way we embrace him. He went to GT, he is beloved in DC and the owner, and he plays with the perfect PG/SG compliment to him. One of the few players that will really understand and appreciate his environment.

Agreed, we should offer Otto a flat contract with no raises, but lets iron it out and present it to him before the FA period even starts.

Something like 4yrs/90M (don't think we can offer him 5yrs) is still a serious amount of money for a young guy, and I don't think Otto is in it for the cash. Unfortunately though, David Falk most certainly is and I'm worried he will try to gouge the Wizards for everything he can during Otto's negotiations.

As I understand it, we can offer a 5 year deal just as we offered Beal one. You can't offer a 5-year extension while the player is under his current contract, but we can offer a new 5-year contract the day after the July Moratoriaum ends.

[pcbothwel]

Assuming Otto performs as he has been through the playoffs, I offer him 5/100M before FA starts to show our commitment. There is NO WAY he gets an offer lower than 4/90M, so why not stay ahead of it. OP seems like a guy that would appreciate the way we embrace him. He went to GT, he is beloved in DC and the owner, and he plays with the perfect PG/SG compliment to him. One of the few players that will really understand and appreciate his environment.

Agreed, we should offer Otto a flat contract with no raises, but lets iron it out and present it to him before the FA period even starts.

Something like 4yrs/90M (don't think we can offer him 5yrs) is still a serious amount of money for a young guy, and I don't think Otto is in it for the cash. Unfortunately though, David Falk most certainly is and I'm worried he will try to gouge the Wizards for everything he can during Otto's negotiations.

As I understand it, we can offer a 5 year deal just as we offered Beal one. You can't offer a 5-year extension while the player is under his current contract, but we can offer a new 5-year contract the day after the July Moratoriaum ends.

Right, but thats just the legal pen-to-paper. We can tell him the day after the season that we want to offer him 5/100M. If he doesnt take it, I simply match an offer sheet.

[Illmatic12]

It's not "cash", it's wealth. & he has a 12 year window to gather it in.

Falk's job is to maximize wealth for his client. That's what it means to be someone's "agent." Would you hire someone to be your agent who said, nah I'm not going to do that?

Falk isn't going to "gouge the Wizards" or anyone; he's going to get the best deal for his client. Yes, that's "everything he can."

Certainly I don't have a problem with Otto getting what he's worth for his services. But if Falk isn't willing to work closely with the Wizards FO (and I'm not sure what the relationship is like there, given how he has insulted the franchise in the past) we could end up having to match another team's offer that would be unfavorable - like a 3+1 deal or a contract with a bunch of clauses in it that could end up biting us.

Assuming Otto performs as he has been through the playoffs, I offer him 5/100M before FA starts to show our commitment. There is NO WAY he gets an offer lower than 4/90M, so why not stay ahead of it. OP seems like a guy that would appreciate the way we embrace him. He went to GT, he is beloved in DC and the owner, and he plays with the perfect PG/SG compliment to him. One of the few players that will really understand and appreciate his environment.

Agreed, we should offer Otto a flat contract with no raises, but lets iron it out and present it to him before the FA period even starts.

Something like 4yrs/90M (don't think we can offer him 5yrs) is still a serious amount of money for a young guy, and I don't think Otto is in it for the cash. Unfortunately though, David Falk most certainly is and I'm worried he will try to gouge the Wizards for everything he can during Otto's negotiations.

As I understand it, we can offer a 5 year deal just as we offered Beal one. You can't offer a 5-year extension while the player is under his current contract, but we can offer a new 5-year contract the day after the July Moratoriaum ends.

Interesting .. I thought under the new CBA there was a limit to how many 5 yr maximum contracts you could carry at one time? We have Brad on a 5yr max, and John ostensibly coming up in 2019.

[nate33]

It's not "cash", it's wealth. & he has a 12 year window to gather it in.

Falk's job is to maximize wealth for his client. That's what it means to be someone's "agent." Would you hire someone to be your agent who said, nah I'm not going to do that?

Falk isn't going to "gouge the Wizards" or anyone; he's going to get the best deal for his client. Yes, that's "everything he can."

Certainly I don't have a problem with Otto getting what he's worth for his services. But if Falk isn't willing to work closely with the Wizards FO (and I'm not sure what the relationship is like there, given how he has insulted the franchise in the past) we could end up having to match another team's offer that would be unfavorable - like a 3+1 deal or a contract with a bunch of clauses in it that could end up biting us.

Agreed, we should offer Otto a flat contract with no raises, but lets iron it out and present it to him before the FA period even starts.

Something like 4yrs/90M (don't think we can offer him 5yrs) is still a serious amount of money for a young guy, and I don't think Otto is in it for the cash. Unfortunately though, David Falk most certainly is and I'm worried he will try to gouge the Wizards for everything he can during Otto's negotiations.

As I understand it, we can offer a 5 year deal just as we offered Beal one. You can't offer a 5-year extension while the player is under his current contract, but we can offer a new 5-year contract the day after the July Moratoriaum ends.

Interesting .. I thought under the new CBA there was a limit to how many 5 yr maximum contracts you could carry at one time? We have Brad on a 5yr max, and John ostensibly coming up in 2019.

Again, I think that limit you are referring to is a limit on 5-year extensions. You can only do 1. If you want to give out a 5-year extension to a second player, you must first let your player reach free agency where he is subject to being poached by another team.

So far, we have given out 5-year contracts to Wall, Beal and Gortat. John Wall was actually labeled our "Designated Player" and received an official 5-year extension. Beal and Gortat got 5-year deals because we waited until they were free agents. There's no reason we can't do so for Porter as well.

[Illmatic12]

Again, I think that limit you are referring to is a limit on 5-year extensions. You can only do 1. If you want to give out a 5-year extension to a second player, you must first let your player reach free agency where he is subject to being poached by another team.

So far, we have given out 5-year contracts to Wall, Beal and Gortat. John Wall was actually labeled our "Designated Player" and received an official 5-year extension. Beal and Gortat got 5-year deals because we waited until they were free agents. There's no reason we can't do so for Porter as well.

Ah I see, thanks for the clarification on that.

[stevemcqueen1]

Agreed, we should offer Otto a flat contract with no raises, but lets iron it out and present it to him before the FA period even starts.

Something like 4yrs/90M (don't think we can offer him 5yrs) is still a serious amount of money for a young guy, and I don't think Otto is in it for the cash. Unfortunately though, David Falk most certainly is and I'm worried he will try to gouge the Wizards for everything he can during Otto's negotiations.

As I understand it, we can offer a 5 year deal just as we offered Beal one. You can't offer a 5-year extension while the player is under his current contract, but we can offer a new 5-year contract the day after the July Moratoriaum ends.

Right, but thats just the legal pen-to-paper. We can tell him the day after the season that we want to offer him 5/100M. If he doesnt take it, I simply match an offer sheet.

A potential downside to matching a four year deal is that we get one year less team control and Porter and Beal would hit unrestricted free agency the same season. I think we might want to get Otto for five years. I'm pretty confident he's not going to suddenly regress during the middle of the deal.

[Chi town]

I could see my Bulls offering him a full max.

[Kanyewest]

Porter is getting the max unless he voluntarily takes a discount. An offer sheet could become problematic if the team adds a trade kicker, no trade clause, or structures the salary in attempt to make it difficult to re-sign Porter.

[tontoz]

This will be Porter's first big contract. I can't see him taking any discount to stay here. I also can't see EG signing him to anything other than a 5 year max.

[MDStar]

In my opinion the Wizards are in a tough position on what to do with Otto. While I love him and the team loves him, do we really believe that we can win a Championship with Wall/Beal/Porter making over 70 million. Not to mention what that number will be once John is up for a new one. Seems to me that we have some how transitioned to the Thunder of a few years ago with their decision on Harden.

[J-Ves]

In my opinion the Wizards are in a tough position on what to do with Otto. While I love him and the team loves him, do we really believe that we can win a Championship with Wall/Beal/Porter making over 70 million. Not to mention what that number will be once John is up for a new one. Seems to me that we have some how transitioned to the Thunder of a few years ago with their decision on Harden.

No pesky, productive PF(Ibaka) to stop us from having Wall (Westbrook), Beal (Harden), and Porter (KD ) under contract. And yes I know our guys aren't as good as their OKC counterparts, but even if this isn't a championship core there is no reason not sign Porter because what's the alternative? Lose him for nothing? Get less in a sign and trade? I'll take the 23 year old NBA stud over those alternatives.

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[TheSuzerain]

Hey fellas. Out of curiosity, where do you guys stand on paying Otto a max contract?

Would you likely match if he signed a max offer sheet?

Good luck in the playoffs!

[Ed Wood]

The team just made a deal with a significant end to have the space under the luxury tax line to be able to do exactly that, so I would imagine any max offers to Porter would be matched, yes.

[tontoz]

Hey fellas. Out of curiosity, where do you guys stand on paying Otto a max contract?

Would you likely match if he signed a max offer sheet?

Good luck in the playoffs!

There is virtually no chance that we let Porter go. EG signed Beal to a max deal on the first day of free agency even though he had 4 average, injury prone seasons on his rookie deal.

Grunfeld hasn't done much right in 14 years as the Wizards GM. Porter is one of his few success stories and Porter went to college here at G-town, just like our owner.

Not to mention that his off the ball skill is a perfect match for playing with Wall and Beal.

[TheSuzerain]

Thanks for the responses. I expect you guys would match.

Like you said, Otto is a perfect off the ball SF. A Bulls fan can dream...

[ozthegap]

WAIT WAIT WAIT! I just had a horrible thought. What if the bojan trade and possibible Jones signing are a precursor to letting Otto walk!!!??