Trade Deadline Countdown Pre-Febuary Deadline

[asudevil]

Suns trade:
Knight/Cavs 2016
Magic trade:
Harris/Hezonja

Len/Chandler
Harris/Tele
Tucker
Booker/Hezonja
Goowin

Leaves us with flexability for the draft. We can go for Simmons/Ingram, or if that does work out.....trade our top pick for a star player.

But:

Len/Chandler
Simmons or Harris/Leuer
Harris or Ingram/Warren
Booker/Hezonja
Bledsoe/Goodwin

that looks pretty solid to me.....and would completely change my view of McD.

[theSUNalsoRISES]

Our last free agent signing....Isaiah thomas..just sad really.

[Phnxsports]

Our last free agent signing....Isaiah thomas..just sad really.

Huh?

[Saberestar]

Our last free agent signing....Isaiah thomas..just sad really.

Chandler and some other guys say Hi.

[theSUNalsoRISES]

Last all star...sorry watching it now

[Mulhollanddrive]

Morris went into that final game wanting to remind us to trade him. First time out and he accomplished it.

[AtheJ415]

OK fine you fine, we concede. Yes he's better than Blanks but that ain't saying much to put it mildly...

They sure do love a 14-40 team. I give up. Only on realgm will you find people defending this. One thing is for damn sure, Colangelo wouldn't have put up with this. Coming close to a decade of garbage, digest that!!

But I'm with you, I concede.

With a team this young what did you expect? Look at Minnesota, who has 2 franchise superstars but are so young they are every bit as bad as us without Bledsoe, who coincidentally, is 26 and thus in his prime. If you want to judge the team solely by its record, then fine, but you'll be wrong because that would NEVER work when judging a team that is in the middle of a rebuild. Getting younger means loses. That is how it works. You get younger, lose, get high picks, add talent, and then a couple to maybe 4 or 5 years down the line you win. What McDonough has done is add young talent. That has been his best success here. Despite winning, we've drafted as talented of players as most of the teams with the top 5 picks.

[wordsenuff]

Our last free agent signing....Isaiah thomas..just sad really.

[jredsaz]

OK fine you fine, we concede. Yes he's better than Blanks but that ain't saying much to put it mildly...

They sure do love a 14-40 team. I give up. Only on realgm will you find people defending this. One thing is for damn sure, Colangelo wouldn't have put up with this. Coming close to a decade of garbage, digest that!!

But I'm with you, I concede.

According to Gambo, the great JC wasn't able to run the organization properly. The Suns couldn't meet payroll, they were in debt and were forced to sell. So, JC had/has flaws tool.

JC was over leveraged due to the debt he incurred as the owner of the dbacks. That dbacks title cost Jerry some serious $$$ and eventually the Suns.

[jcsunsfan]

Also some leaks are given specifically wrong info amongst the circles of the NBA FOs... Its a tactic to flush out the leakers.

You wont hear much from them anymore since McD has been strict in leaks. He would of sent out incorrect info and when it leaks that branch of the circle he shared it with is obviously leaking it to the public hence he either cut them off from any more info or he finds the leak and fires them.

It depends highly on the FO. Some FOs like to gauge feedback from the public and will leak it to get the fans reaction. But McD is a diamond in the rough finder so he is very very careful on who he sets his eyes on...to make sure value remains optimum and competition is limited.

McD is pretty tight. I can imagine the info is not available like it was. People get fired for that stuff. I cave a very close relative who is a direct report to Michael Bidwill. You will never hear anything come from me. In fact, I don't even ask, and I doubt my relative would give me anything if I did. Those jobs are too precious to risk.


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[jcsunsfan]

They sure do love a 14-40 team. I give up. Only on realgm will you find people defending this. One thing is for damn sure, Colangelo wouldn't have put up with this. Coming close to a decade of garbage, digest that!!

But I'm with you, I concede.

According to Gambo, the great JC wasn't able to run the organization properly. The Suns couldn't meet payroll, they were in debt and were forced to sell. So, JC had/has flaws tool.

JC was over leveraged due to the debt he incurred as the owner of the dbacks. That dbacks title cost Jerry some serious $$$ and eventually the Suns.

That wasn't it. He had cancer and his family would have had to pay huge inheritance taxes if he died. He could not risk that. So he sold. He later recovered.


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[jredsaz]

According to Gambo, the great JC wasn't able to run the organization properly. The Suns couldn't meet payroll, they were in debt and were forced to sell. So, JC had/has flaws tool.

JC was over leveraged due to the debt he incurred as the owner of the dbacks. That dbacks title cost Jerry some serious $$$ and eventually the Suns.

That wasn't it. He had cancer and his family would have had to pay huge inheritance taxes if he died. He could not risk that. So he sold. He later recovered.


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From what I understand he met or exceeded the NBAs limit for leverage. He had too much debt. But whatever. Your story is more entertaining.

[NaturalBuns]

Im sorry if this comes off as harsh but if your responsible for assembling (and soon disassembling) the worst team, worst roster, and nearly (by an inch) worst record, you dont deserve any Coodoos.

I think at least in my view the verdict is still out on McD. I want to believe he's a good GM. Trading Dudley for Bledsoe was a mammoth steal flipping gortat was good too. He had Lebron James pick phx as one of his final 4 destations. He pushed for love but could not compete a Andrew Wiggins for love deal. He also competed for LA and was 50/50 on signing him.

So I know every year he's trying to land that star which is fine because he's been able to draft multiple players at the same time as to achieving that. The problem trading away lakers pick and signing chandler are the only things I hate he did. Let's see what he can do with markieff and PJ. I don't think chandler is trade able not with that Miami Heat C being a FA and Dwight nobody is going to take chandler unless we give assets just have to bite the bullet on that one he's staying here

[thamadkant]

McD's tenure as GM has been tainted by pressure by the ownership. That is all.


McD entered as GM wanting a 10 year team... Meaning draft and young as possible... He said it himself... Didnt lie.. Long term success not short term. The 48 win team where non-McD players over achieved like Dragic, Green, Frye etc. was fool's gold. It gave Sarver an incentive to Push for playoffs ASAP rather than follow through with the long term vision of McD.... Con-building.

IMO Signing Thomas was an assett acquiring move because they missed out on their 2 star FA plan and Bledsoe delayed his extension... Which was out of McD's control... Klutch Sports bent him over.

Dragic sooking and acting selfish is 50% McD's fault for not having the experience of cuddling players. Trading Marcus Morris to clear room for an attempt to get Aldridge was a no brainer business move... Usually a low risk high reward move... But he under estimated immaturity of the twins and lack of professionalism.

Trading Thomas so early along with the Lakers pick was McD's biggest mistake... A bit of an ego move to prove Dragic was replaceable.


But the Suns are meant to be in their 3rd year of a rebuild... Without having drafted a franchise player.


2016 draft... They MUST get a top 2 pick to get one of the 2 high potential franchise players....
Everything should be back in order then.

Go young and make a playoff push in 2018 IMO... Unless they can somehow pull 2 superstars to come to Phoenix.

[King4Day]

^^^ great post

[JMac1]

Yup, and the only thing that matters is getting that top 2 pick; that changes everything, with Booker, if not......still at square 1 or 2 depending on how Booker develops.

We desperately need a top two pick.

[RaisingArizona]

Our last free agent signing....Isaiah thomas..just sad really.

Drunk?

[silverstyne]

Im sorry if this comes off as harsh but if your responsible for assembling (and soon disassembling) the worst team, worst roster, and nearly (by an inch) worst record, you dont deserve any Coodoos.

This x 1,000,000! He could win all his value trades and drafts. but the bottom line is we have one of the worst teams in suns history..

[Frank Lee]

^^^ great post

1ups with some truth.... JrEd bringing the logic/history too.

Man... looks like I missed out on some raucous fun. I see the standard seats were taken on the teeter totter.

My biggest beef with McDangerousCurvesAhead? (aside from the handling of the MoBros) ... He even says it himself.... he got a little too tradey/GM-y after winning 48 games. That team could have been added to not dismantled. Modified.... Who knows really if it was a group of individual over achievers or if the highly sought after 'chemistry experiment' actually made the sum better than the parts. They really played well as a unit, and aside from a Grumbly Plumbly, seemed all were happy. Winning does wonderful things to attitudes and it brews confidence, individual and team. IMO, trading TheGORTAT and letting Frye go, neutered this squad of leadership. So much so McDownTheHatch had to go out and buy one....(TC) BTW, any doubts that if TheGORTAT was our starting center that yr (instead of Fumbly) we win 50+ and go to the playoffs ??? Easily could of happened except for McDraftFever decided to move him. Think about it.... one small non productive move completely changed the entire landscape. Keep in mind, Free Agents 'want' to join up with winners (see LMA)

But oh well.... its a moot discussion. Bottom line, from then to now, the poop has been flying off the fan blades. Surely some is sticking somewhere as the league wide respect we had been building back up, evaporated. Most if not all the talking heads can't fathom what has happened here, nor explain it in ways that does not sound like justified criticism. The ones closest really biting some ass. Our attending Fan base has all but retreated. Our viewers at home barely able to stomach a half. Heck, you can see the drastic drop off of posters here, leaving a legion of hard liners who adamantly defend our position with the notion that all is 'actually better' ??? I guess we better give 'ol Robbie Sarver a pat on the back too then eh?

Me. I'm just here for the beer. Glad I got to see one last good run (Nash/Stat/SSOL) before the gizzard gives out. Don't see us sniffing that kind of excitement for the next 3-4 yrs unless MCDreamofJeanie can conjure up something out of thin air. And even then, the stars have to line up for things like '76 and '93 to happen. Sadly, I think we got as close as we could with Nash... now its back to square one and another 10+ yr cycle. BTW, looking forward to the documentary on the Sunderella season. If anything, it shows getting to the playoffs should be your goal, even if you are a lowly 8th seed.



These trades coming up, ours and league wide should be entertaining

[bwgood77]

JC was over leveraged due to the debt he incurred as the owner of the dbacks. That dbacks title cost Jerry some serious $$$ and eventually the Suns.

That wasn't it. He had cancer and his family would have had to pay huge inheritance taxes if he died. He could not risk that. So he sold. He later recovered.


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From what I understand he met or exceeded the NBAs limit for leverage. He had too much debt. But whatever. Your story is more entertaining.

I'm guessing what he is saying is the truth. Often what you read or hear isn't. Obviously Jerry was stretched thin but he always knew a way to get more investors to buy in. Had he been able to do so, they'd all likley be in a good position now given the dramatic rise in NBA team values.

Reading this old story makes me think......summer of 2007 is when Jerry lost control of all decisions....I bet the Shaq trade and D'Antoni leaving never happens had he not been ousted by Sarver at that time.

Jerry Colangelo diagnosed with prostate cancer
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Posted: Sunday, December 5, 2004 12:25 am
Mike Tulumello
Jerry Colangelo, who has guided the Suns since the franchise's birth in 1968 and who was inducted into basketball's Hall of Fame in September, has been diagnosed with prostate cancer.
Colangelo, 65, said as far as he knows, the cancer has been confined to the prostate; a test is scheduled in the next days to confirm this. He is scheduled to have his prostate removed Dec. 30 at the renowned Sloan-Kettering cancer institute in New York City.
"I'm at peace," Colangelo said. "I've been blessed in so many ways. I'm not going to feel sorry for myself. I refuse to do that."
Colangelo's PSA readings, the most common gauge to determine prostate problems, had been rising in the past four years. A biopsy then was taken and confirmed he had cancer about a month ago, he said. "Then they immediately bombard you with literature and information," he said.
Surgery now is considered only one of many options, and that, "If I were 75 instead of 65," he might have taken a different treatment option, he said. "But every other way is a real crapshoot," he said.
Moreover, he suggested that once the cancer's presence in the body is known, "You want it out."
Rumors about his condition evidently leaked out recently, he said, and — after some thought — he decided, "You might as well confront it (publicly) and get it over with," he said. After his surgery, the Suns chairman will be hospitalized for a few days, then will move to the St. Regis Hotel in New York City. The hotel is special to him because he and his wife Joan stayed there in his early NBA days.
Colangelo was named the infant club's general manger in 1968, at age 28. He organized a group to buy controlling interest in 1987.
He is in the process of selling the Suns to Robert Sarver, a San Diego banker. The two are running the team in collaborative fashion, though Colangelo has final authority until Sarver takes control in the summer of 2007.

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/news/article_f203af90-3672-5f08-8ba5-5bd57fdba283.html