Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season

[Polk377]

Unless Rose makes an All-Star team this year, his comps are not Conley, Lillard and Derozan.

Even so, he would still be getting his $25M/yr. He just shouldn't be getting 4 guaranteed years with his injury history. If he wants more years, then he should be taking less money.

You do know Conley has never made the all star team right? Rose actually has been playing like an all star this season and could still make the team.

It is not like Rose is 32 and looking for his last big contract this off season. He just turned 28 and the knees have not been an issue so far this season. Now if that changes as the season moves along then yes the Knicks will have some leverage there but if he makes it through 70 games with no problems then you have to assume he has put it past him.

Rose is like the 8th best guard in the east and an injury risk at that. He shouldn't get to make franchise player demands

8th best? Really? I think Irving is the only clear cut better PG in the east. Everyone else is either worse or on par with Rose. A case can definitely be made for Lowery, Walker or Thomas but after that you are really pushing it. The difference this year for Rose is that he has clearly taken a step back for the good of the team and is letting the game come to him more rather than forcing the issue. He has Melo and KP to depend on to score the ball but when he has to turn it on he has been clutch down the stretches of games this year.

[Oscirus]

You do know Conley has never made the all star team right? Rose actually has been playing like an all star this season and could still make the team.

It is not like Rose is 32 and looking for his last big contract this off season. He just turned 28 and the knees have not been an issue so far this season. Now if that changes as the season moves along then yes the Knicks will have some leverage there but if he makes it through 70 games with no problems then you have to assume he has put it past him.

Rose is like the 8th best guard in the east and an injury risk at that. He shouldn't get to make franchise player demands

8th best? Really? I think Irving is the only clear cut better PG in the east. Everyone else is either worse or on par with Rose. A case can definitely be made for Lowery, Walker or Thomas but after that you are really pushing it. The difference this year for Rose is that he has clearly taken a step back for the good of the team and is letting the game come to him more rather than forcing the issue. He has Melo and KP to depend on to score the ball but when he has to turn it on he has been clutch down the stretches of games this year.

I'd put Wall above him as well. That would still makes him the sixth best guard in the east. He's not going to find a situation more desirable than this one in free agency. I'm not saying don't pay him, but at the same time the Knicks have to put a cap on how much they give him, he doesn't get to make franchise demands.

[HarthorneWingo]

I would do that in a heart beat but I feel like he will ask for an extra year for security. He would be 32 at that point and might have another good contract left after.

Then f*ck him. He shouldn't be getting more than 3 years.

Perfect. Lets just bring another 2nd rate PG in next year. Maybe Jose Calderon is available to come back......

Sometimes you have to make concessions and if it is for 4 instead of 3 then so be it. The best course of action is bringing Rose and Jennings back to solidify the PG position for a few years and hope be can find some talent in the draft with the 3 picks this year. Outside of maybe trading Lance Thomas I hope the Knicks don't go for another reshuffle next season. Let these guys build chemistry and build on from this year. That means bringing Justin Holiday back as well hopefully on a team friendly deal.

I agree, I'd like to bring Jennings back if he's cool playing in his present capacity, i.e. off the bench and sometimes with Rose and a lot of significant minutes. It's not like he'd be a back up in the traditional sense. He'd probably have to give us a hometown discount, but I'm sure he'd still be paid well. Or he can go to Sacramento and get paid. I think he'd prefer to stay in NY.

[HarthorneWingo]

3 years/$75M is fair.

I would do that in a heart beat but I feel like he will ask for an extra year for security. He would be 32 at that point and might have another good contract left after.

Then f*ck him. He shouldn't be getting more than 3 years.

Yeah, pretty much. I'm loving what he gives to this team on the court too, so I'd like him back. He'd be getting paid more than Melo per year. I don't think there's any way he'd turn that down. But who knows? They live in a different world than me.

[Polk377]

Rose is like the 8th best guard in the east and an injury risk at that. He shouldn't get to make franchise player demands

8th best? Really? I think Irving is the only clear cut better PG in the east. Everyone else is either worse or on par with Rose. A case can definitely be made for Lowery, Walker or Thomas but after that you are really pushing it. The difference this year for Rose is that he has clearly taken a step back for the good of the team and is letting the game come to him more rather than forcing the issue. He has Melo and KP to depend on to score the ball but when he has to turn it on he has been clutch down the stretches of games this year.

I'd put Wall above him as well. That would still makes him the sixth best guard in the east. He's not going to find a situation more desirable than this one in free agency. I'm not saying don't pay him, but at the same time the Knicks have to put a cap on how much they give him, he doesn't get to make franchise demands.

Sorry Wall is up there too. He still has to show he can lead his team to wins but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt because the rest of his team suck.

Just because there is 6 guys there does not make him the worst of the 6. I would take him over Walker and Lowery and would put Irving, Thomas and Wall over him at this point in the season. What separates Rose from these guys is the ability to break down a defense off the dribble and create for himself. While a third of Lowery and Walker's offense comes off of assists Rose makes it happen all by himself which makes him more dangerous.

I really don't think it will come down to franchise demands from him or the Knicks trying to low ball him either. This season has been going very well so far with him and the rest of the team. As long as it stays that way and they can make a playoff run I don't see why either side wouldn't work together amicably to make it happen.

[NYKMentality85]

I would do that in a heart beat but I feel like he will ask for an extra year for security. He would be 32 at that point and might have another good contract left after.

Then f*ck him. He shouldn't be getting more than 3 years.

Yeah, pretty much. I'm loving what he gives to this team on the court too, so I'd like him back. He'd be getting paid more than Melo per year. I don't think there's any way he'd turn that down. But who knows? They live in a different world than me.

You bring up a valid point Wingo when mentioning Melo during the same breath as talking player contract.

Melo is due $26,243,760 come next season and imo Melo & Melo's contract is what draws the line in the sand when negotiating a contract with a player such as Rose. There's no way possible that Rose could ever expect to receive more than #7. Not even "as much" as Anthony. It's gotta be lower.

Rose is currently making $21,323,250 here in 2016-2017 with our Knicks. That's pretty damn good money.

If it's true that Rose himself is truly thankful for Chicago trading him to N.Y.C (of all possible destinations), and if it's also true that Rose is looking for stability as both a player and as a father for his son (not wanting to relocate again) then i believe it's safe to say that if Rose truly wants to remain a Knick, he'll be willing to accept a 3 year $60,000,000 contract in order to stay in New York while becoming N.Y's 2nd highest paid player at the same time.

I couldn't care less what types of contracts current players are receiving. 3 years. $60 million. That's multiple lifetimes worth of money. 3 years and $60,000,000 to compete alongside of the likes of Anthony, Porzingis & long-time teammate in Noah here in N.Y.C is a once in a lifetime opportunity.

If he'd rather earn a couple extra million and play somewhere out in Denver or possibly Philadelphia then more power to Rose but if he's willing to play for $20 million per year then N.Y could possibly even return Brandon Jennings.

[blanko]

If Miami starts free falling, we should offer rose for dragic + salary. The heat need to rebuild with bosh probably not playing again.
There is no way rose isn't taking max years near max money.

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[DOT]

Dragic is a drastically better 3 point shooter at 42% compared to rose at 25%. That makes a big difference in court geometry.


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Yeah, I guess, but it doesn't really matter when Rose doesn't really shoot threes. IMO, the obsession with every position being able to shoot threes is overrated, especially for when Rose is the primary ball handler. Usually our sets either have him or Melo initiate the offense, and when Rose initiates, the three point shot doesn't matter because there are very few point guards (and players in general) who can reliable make threes off the dribble while initiating the offense. With Melo initiating, I guess it would make a difference if Dragic was the one standing in the corner as opposed to Rose because Rose's man can sag off of him while w/ Dragic you have to stay next to him. This is a moot point though, because even if Rose's man sags off, if you pass it to Rose, he's still quick enough to get by the defender as he's trying to recover, and honestly, in a simple PnR with Melo KP, if the PG sags off Rose, what's he gonna do, block Melo or KP at the rim?
Again, I'm not talking about who's better between the two of them, as it's a moot point, what I was replying to was BnO saying Dragic is a leader, which he still hasn't given me proof of

[DOT]

If Miami starts free falling, we should offer rose for dragic + salary. The heat need to rebuild with bosh probably not playing again.
There is no way rose isn't taking max years near max money.

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Pat Riley would hang up the phone on you before you even finished talking

[blanko]

If Miami starts free falling, we should offer rose for dragic + salary. The heat need to rebuild with bosh probably not playing again.
There is no way rose isn't taking max years near max money.

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Pat Riley would hang up the phone on you before you even finished talking

He may have to keep playing bosh for another season or two, allowing him to dump 21.32 mil in salary would allow him to do wonders with his rebuild. It would be dragic and some guy they don't really want anyway.

[NYKMentality85]

Dragic is a drastically better 3 point shooter at 42% compared to rose at 25%. That makes a big difference in court geometry.


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Yeah, I guess, but it doesn't really matter when Rose doesn't really shoot threes. IMO, the obsession with every position being able to shoot threes is overrated, especially for when Rose is the primary ball handler. Usually our sets either have him or Melo initiate the offense, and when Rose initiates, the three point shot doesn't matter because there are very few point guards (and players in general) who can reliable make threes off the dribble while initiating the offense. With Melo initiating, I guess it would make a difference if Dragic was the one standing in the corner as opposed to Rose because Rose's man can sag off of him while w/ Dragic you have to stay next to him. This is a moot point though, because even if Rose's man sags off, if you pass it to Rose, he's still quick enough to get by the defender as he's trying to recover, and honestly, in a simple PnR with Melo KP, if the PG sags off Rose, what's he gonna do, block Melo or KP at the rim?
Again, I'm not talking about who's better between the two of them, as it's a moot point, what I was replying to was BnO saying Dragic is a leader, which he still hasn't given me proof of

I agree with you K-DOT.

I don't consider Goran Dragic as being some type of "NBA leader" of whatsoever.

A fine ball player with strong attributes? Yes. An actual (winning) leader? I don't see it. At all.

He's now been in the league for 9 years. He's played in 600 games but yet has only started 364 of them. He's played for Phoenix, Houston & Miami throughout his 9 year career. Where has Dragic (as a supposed leader) ever led his teams to and how far have they gone?

For a matter of fact he's only had two seasons of postseason play. 2009-2010 with Phoenix and 2015-2016 with Miami. And only averaged 14.8 minutes per game during the Suns playoff trip of 2009-2010 (role player minutes, not minutes of an NBA leader).

I'm also not a fan of his current contract. For example he'll be 34 years old while making $19,220,000 come the 2019-2020 season.

No thank you.

[NBA Fan 1234]

[god shammgod]

:roll:

at least he's trending upwards as a scorer

[whocares1]

8th best? Really? I think Irving is the only clear cut better PG in the east. Everyone else is either worse or on par with Rose. A case can definitely be made for Lowery, Walker or Thomas but after that you are really pushing it. The difference this year for Rose is that he has clearly taken a step back for the good of the team and is letting the game come to him more rather than forcing the issue. He has Melo and KP to depend on to score the ball but when he has to turn it on he has been clutch down the stretches of games this year.

I'd put Wall above him as well. That would still makes him the sixth best guard in the east. He's not going to find a situation more desirable than this one in free agency. I'm not saying don't pay him, but at the same time the Knicks have to put a cap on how much they give him, he doesn't get to make franchise demands.

Sorry Wall is up there too. He still has to show he can lead his team to wins but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt because the rest of his team suck.

Just because there is 6 guys there does not make him the worst of the 6. I would take him over Walker and Lowery and would put Irving, Thomas and Wall over him at this point in the season. What separates Rose from these guys is the ability to break down a defense off the dribble and create for himself. While a third of Lowery and Walker's offense comes off of assists Rose makes it happen all by himself which makes him more dangerous.

I really don't think it will come down to franchise demands from him or the Knicks trying to low ball him either. This season has been going very well so far with him and the rest of the team. As long as it stays that way and they can make a playoff run I don't see why either side wouldn't work together amicably to make it happen.

Lol dude..Dude..Lowry is WAY...WAY better than Rose. Walker is also WAY better than Rose. What is wrong with you? There's no argument that can be made for Rose being better than those guards. He is not in their league and you're letting the impact he has on the team affect your judgement on players you barely see.

Kyrie
Lowry
Isaiah
Wall
Walker
Teague
Dragic
Jackson (Healthy)
Schroeder

All range from either being way better to just better than Rose and this is just in the East.

[misterfrazier10]

I like Dragic and even though he may not be better than Rose he may be a better fit with the Knicks. He can shoot the three and I also think he's a better triangle player. Last year on a decent Heat squad he was a highly rated defender-- this year he is not but he'd still be an upgrade over Rose as a defender. The Knicks don't run the triangle much because of Rose and nobody knows if that's a good thing. Most successful teams have a lot of three point shooters these days. So Rose is not helping in triangles or threes. Dragic would help in both.

[NYKMentality85]

In regards to Rose it'll become an early season statement game if he's not only able to go to war against Isaiah Thomas but also edge him out in production come 12:00 today. I'm confident he'll do so.

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[fresko024]

D Rose has been great for us this year. We have been terrible without him. He's been healthy for the past two years but we can't just ignore his injury history.

He's approaching 30 and I highly doubt the Knicks or any other NBA franchise will give him a max deal. That being said, his cap hold is 22 million next year. An extension making $10 million per year for 3 years max would still leave us with about $20 million to spend.

Rose becoming a free agent won't be the worse thing but we will have to renounce him so his cap hold doesn't count against the cap, and we can sign other players. Renouncing him means losing Rose's bird rights tho

Who's going to replace his production?
Some free agents PGs are Curry (not leaving GS), Paul (old), Lowry (okay), Holiday (injury prone), Teague (sign me up), Hill (okay)

There are capable free agents but with the cap set to explode, I see most of them going back to their respective teams for longer deals.

The question is what's the alternative to not extending Rose at a reasonable contract?

Rose is not accepting $10M

im not sure what to expect from rose re: extension

He's not gonna make less than Noah, that's pretty clear to me
But he might not demand a full max
Hopefully!
He might allow us to resign him and Jennings and have a little left over depending
Though holiday is a FA too this summer I think

Holiday is and I think he should be a priority. He's a good, young wing defender who can knock down shots. The one thing that gives me pause is we said the same about Lance and his play has fallen off a cliff.

A lot will depend on what happens in the draft

Regarding the $10M, I was just giving a scenario where an extension would make sense. Giving Rose a big contract via extension would be a bad idea given his injury history.

[fresko024]

Rose is not accepting $10M

im not sure what to expect from rose re: extension

He's not gonna make less than Noah, that's pretty clear to me
But he might not demand a full max
Hopefully!
He might allow us to resign him and Jennings and have a little left over depending
Though holiday is a FA too this summer I think

Yea, I'm not sure Rose warrants the full MAX on the open market, but I don't think he's taking less than he's making now, especially with the way he was talking about money a few summers ago.

I think we could probably keep him for around $25M, but I don't know if we should.

I'll give you one reason why we shouldn't.
Amare Stoudemire

[blueNorange]

rose is ranked 36th out of 50 qualified pg's in true shooting percentage

dragic? 16th

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I like Dragic and even though he may not be better than Rose he may be a better fit with the Knicks. He can shoot the three and I also think he's a better triangle player. Last year on a decent Heat squad he was a highly rated defender-- this year he is not but he'd still be an upgrade over Rose as a defender. The Knicks don't run the triangle much because of Rose and nobody knows if that's a good thing. Most successful teams have a lot of three point shooters these days. So Rose is not helping in triangles or threes. Dragic would help in both.

Dragic is easily better than Rose. I'm not sure why people are talking about him tho, the likelihood of Phil making a trade for him this season is close to zero IMO. We're rolling with Rose for the rest of this season at the very least.