Who do you want us to take at #1?

[axl_c_cool]

we have good defenders on the team, we need offensive stars. Chet to me, isnt an offensive star. He will be a better shooting Marcus Camby. For some reason, im starting to like the idea of Paolo more. I would call up Houston, get #3, #17 and maybe a pick swap or some other asset. Should be able to nab Paolo at 3, then grab say Jalen Williams at 17. use #32 on Wendell Moore, trade #35 or use on a draft and stash.

come out looking like
Fultz/Cole
Suggs/Williams/Moore
WAgner/Williams/Moore
Paolo/Okeke/
WCJ/Mo Wagner

and if Isaac can give you 20 mpg, you get him in for spot minutes to see if he can stay healthy. If JJ Redick can become acceptable on defense, Paolo can do it. He doesnt have to be a star if his offense translates better. depends on his Orlando workout, can his 3 pt shooting improve to truly make him a 3 level scorer. He has the best chance out of the 3 to be a true 3 level scorer.

This is my preference, to the point there is so little between the top 3 I'd take a deal and the left overs when it gets to us. Some good players can be had at #17 and pretty certain we can get a pick swap in too

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[yoyojw17]

we have good defenders on the team, we need offensive stars. Chet to me, isnt an offensive star. He will be a better shooting Marcus Camby. For some reason, im starting to like the idea of Paolo more. I would call up Houston, get #3, #17 and maybe a pick swap or some other asset. Should be able to nab Paolo at 3, then grab say Jalen Williams at 17. use #32 on Wendell Moore, trade #35 or use on a draft and stash.

come out looking like
Fultz/Cole
Suggs/Williams/Moore
WAgner/Williams/Moore
Paolo/Okeke/
WCJ/Mo Wagner

and if Isaac can give you 20 mpg, you get him in for spot minutes to see if he can stay healthy. If JJ Redick can become acceptable on defense, Paolo can do it. He doesnt have to be a star if his offense translates better. depends on his Orlando workout, can his 3 pt shooting improve to truly make him a 3 level scorer. He has the best chance out of the 3 to be a true 3 level scorer.

Chet is much more than a shooting marcus camby... really doubt Camby could do 1/4 of what chet brings to the table on the offensive end.

If Isaac is healthy.... that guy is more than a spot minute player. Personally... i think he might be one of our most important players when healthy... and changes the dynamics of the entire team. Jabari/Chet + healthy Isaac would make one of the hardest teams to score on in the entire league. not sure who all starts .... but at the end of the game when you need stops.... those tandems with our other pieces is dangerous. I do also think that Paolo will be at least a net 0 on the defensive end. lol. But players like isaac would help continue masking the deficiencies... and help the team balance out as a player like paolo keeps the offense churning on all cylinders!

Chet is still my personal fave... but i can see how any of the top 6.... including ivy, sharpe, and murray can help.... outside of the the top 3 bigs that i expect the most to be chosen at 1 at least.

A healhty Isaac to me is a mythical unicorn. I havent seen him play in 2 years and wont believe he will be back until i see him on the court.

Well... that's on you and what you can see from the opposite side of the screen... with just as little info as us. So... we will see what happens when he comes back. and IF isaac isn't back healthy as you assume... having a player next like chet would be great next to WCJ.

And if that mythical unicorn appears.... two High IQ defenders of their caliber would make thing hard on any team. lol

[axl_c_cool]

we have good defenders on the team, we need offensive stars. Chet to me, isnt an offensive star. He will be a better shooting Marcus Camby. For some reason, im starting to like the idea of Paolo more. I would call up Houston, get #3, #17 and maybe a pick swap or some other asset. Should be able to nab Paolo at 3, then grab say Jalen Williams at 17. use #32 on Wendell Moore, trade #35 or use on a draft and stash.

come out looking like
Fultz/Cole
Suggs/Williams/Moore
WAgner/Williams/Moore
Paolo/Okeke/
WCJ/Mo Wagner

and if Isaac can give you 20 mpg, you get him in for spot minutes to see if he can stay healthy. If JJ Redick can become acceptable on defense, Paolo can do it. He doesnt have to be a star if his offense translates better. depends on his Orlando workout, can his 3 pt shooting improve to truly make him a 3 level scorer. He has the best chance out of the 3 to be a true 3 level scorer.

While we agree on Banchero A better shooting Marcus Camby is an awful comp for Chet. Come on man. Camby didn’t possess a fraction of the skills Chet has right now.

I think Orlando needs a primary scorer. When I think of Smith I see him as a high level complimentary player. Potentially making some All Star teams but not a guy you necessarily feature as your primary player.

For years I said that this last iteration of the Magic with Vooch and Fournier was built backwards. We had good complimentary piece s that you put around a star. I don’t want the team to paint themselves into a corner like that again. Being too good to get a high pick but not good enough to be a real threat in the PO’s.

What puts Banchero ahead of Chet is his polished scoring game. You can give him the ball and IMO he’ll get you buckets.

This is my main argument for Banchero, we need a primary offensive player, we haven't had one since Tmac, if he underwhelms he's DeRozen, which isn't a bad thing (not in style, impact).

Fultz
Suggs
Wagner
Banchero
Isaac

That's a pretty nice balanced 5

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[tiderulz]

While we agree on Banchero A better shooting Marcus Camby is an awful comp for Chet. Come on man. Camby didn’t possess a fraction of the skills Chet has right now.

I think Orlando needs a primary scorer. When I think of Smith I see him as a high level complimentary player. Potentially making some All Star teams but not a guy you necessarily feature as your primary player.

For years I said that this last iteration of the Magic with Vooch and Fournier was built backwards. We had good complimentary piece s that you put around a star. I don’t want the team to paint themselves into a corner like that again. Being too good to get a high pick but not good enough to be a real threat in the PO’s.

What puts Banchero ahead of Chet is his polished scoring game. You can give him the ball and IMO he’ll get you buckets.

ok, Camby didnt have the offensive skills Chet shows, but i do believe he was very close to defensive skills. I agree with you on Smith. I also see him as that complimentary player.

I'm just impressed by Chet's effect on the floor. The guy makes a difference on both ends of the court ... though yes... he didn't have to score as much. His offensive rating was great than Timme who the offense was built around.... and his defensive rating was on another level than anyone else in college basketball. People get enamoured with paolo's scoring at 17+ points a game... and chet's 14 is "meh"... though he's taking 4-5 less shots a game and his usage is far less. All this while just doing what he needed to do for the team to win... and suppressing things we have seen him do in highschool and showing flashes in college. Yes... a go to scorer would be awesome.... and he has talents to be that kind of player. But.... at the minimum.... his overall play is a catalyst to winning.

now... as i've said before... i'm just saying all this to say that we should not take a blind eye to the potential he has. And if we choose differently .... i believe that the FO is trying to have the player with the best projected future.... and we just have to hope that all the research and analysis , which we don't have access to, makes them find the player with the most potential. So... if it's jabari, chet, paolo, ivey, sharpe, murray....etc... we know they did it for a reason and hope that it comes to fruition.

and we have to have the development plan on top of picking the player with the most potential. and our track record for development hasnt been great

[tiderulz]

Chet is much more than a shooting marcus camby... really doubt Camby could do 1/4 of what chet brings to the table on the offensive end.

If Isaac is healthy.... that guy is more than a spot minute player. Personally... i think he might be one of our most important players when healthy... and changes the dynamics of the entire team. Jabari/Chet + healthy Isaac would make one of the hardest teams to score on in the entire league. not sure who all starts .... but at the end of the game when you need stops.... those tandems with our other pieces is dangerous. I do also think that Paolo will be at least a net 0 on the defensive end. lol. But players like isaac would help continue masking the deficiencies... and help the team balance out as a player like paolo keeps the offense churning on all cylinders!

Chet is still my personal fave... but i can see how any of the top 6.... including ivy, sharpe, and murray can help.... outside of the the top 3 bigs that i expect the most to be chosen at 1 at least.

A healhty Isaac to me is a mythical unicorn. I havent seen him play in 2 years and wont believe he will be back until i see him on the court.

Well... that's on you and what you can see from the opposite side of the screen... with just as little info as us. So... we will see what happens when he comes back. and IF isaac isn't back healthy as you assume... having a player next like chet would be great next to WCJ.

And if that mythical unicorn appears.... two High IQ defenders of their caliber would make thing hard on any team. lol

Chet to me is ISaac 2.0. better offensively and just as disruptive on defense. neither are a #1 and likely not a #2 option on a good team. That isnt to say they arent good players, but we will still be looking for our #1 and #2 options players. now maybe the team looks more attractive to someone wanting to come here, guess we will see. but taking Chet, who duplicates what Isaac does, where does that leave us with Isaac. He isnt going to SF, that is Wagner's now. So he goes to PF and Chet goes to the bench? he goes to PF and Chet starts at center? Chet goes to PF and Isaac goes to center and WCJ to the bench? there would be a lot of figuring out to do. And we cant likely trade Isaac right away if that was the preference. his value is too low because of health questions, so he would have to play to regain any trade value

[RichCollab]

we have good defenders on the team, we need offensive stars. Chet to me, isnt an offensive star. He will be a better shooting Marcus Camby. For some reason, im starting to like the idea of Paolo more. I would call up Houston, get #3, #17 and maybe a pick swap or some other asset. Should be able to nab Paolo at 3, then grab say Jalen Williams at 17. use #32 on Wendell Moore, trade #35 or use on a draft and stash.

come out looking like
Fultz/Cole
Suggs/Williams/Moore
WAgner/Williams/Moore
Paolo/Okeke/
WCJ/Mo Wagner

and if Isaac can give you 20 mpg, you get him in for spot minutes to see if he can stay healthy. If JJ Redick can become acceptable on defense, Paolo can do it. He doesnt have to be a star if his offense translates better. depends on his Orlando workout, can his 3 pt shooting improve to truly make him a 3 level scorer. He has the best chance out of the 3 to be a true 3 level scorer.

While we agree on Banchero A better shooting Marcus Camby is an awful comp for Chet. Come on man. Camby didn’t possess a fraction of the skills Chet has right now.

I think Orlando needs a primary scorer. When I think of Smith I see him as a high level complimentary player. Potentially making some All Star teams but not a guy you necessarily feature as your primary player.

For years I said that this last iteration of the Magic with Vooch and Fournier was built backwards. We had good complimentary piece s that you put around a star. I don’t want the team to paint themselves into a corner like that again. Being too good to get a high pick but not good enough to be a real threat in the PO’s.

What puts Banchero ahead of Chet is his polished scoring game. You can give him the ball and IMO he’ll get you buckets.

This is my main argument for Banchero, we need a primary offensive player, we haven't had one since Tmac, if he underwhelms he's DeRozen, which isn't a bad thing (not in style, impact).

Fultz
Suggs
Wagner
Banchero
Isaac

That's a pretty nice balanced 5

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It's balanced if you don't care about spacing.

[89Magicfan]

A healhty Isaac to me is a mythical unicorn. I havent seen him play in 2 years and wont believe he will be back until i see him on the court.

Well... that's on you and what you can see from the opposite side of the screen... with just as little info as us. So... we will see what happens when he comes back. and IF isaac isn't back healthy as you assume... having a player next like chet would be great next to WCJ.

And if that mythical unicorn appears.... two High IQ defenders of their caliber would make thing hard on any team. lol

Chet to me is ISaac 2.0. better offensively and just as disruptive on defense. neither are a #1 and likely not a #2 option on a good team. That isnt to say they arent good players, but we will still be looking for our #1 and #2 options players. now maybe the team looks more attractive to someone wanting to come here, guess we will see. but taking Chet, who duplicates what Isaac does, where does that leave us with Isaac. He isnt going to SF, that is Wagner's now. So he goes to PF and Chet goes to the bench? he goes to PF and Chet starts at center? Chet goes to PF and Isaac goes to center and WCJ to the bench? there would be a lot of figuring out to do. And we cant likely trade Isaac right away if that was the preference. his value is too low because of health questions, so he would have to play to regain any trade value

Yeah but doesn’t that apply to any of the projected top 3?

[basketballRob]

While we agree on Banchero A better shooting Marcus Camby is an awful comp for Chet. Come on man. Camby didn’t possess a fraction of the skills Chet has right now.

I think Orlando needs a primary scorer. When I think of Smith I see him as a high level complimentary player. Potentially making some All Star teams but not a guy you necessarily feature as your primary player.

For years I said that this last iteration of the Magic with Vooch and Fournier was built backwards. We had good complimentary piece s that you put around a star. I don’t want the team to paint themselves into a corner like that again. Being too good to get a high pick but not good enough to be a real threat in the PO’s.

What puts Banchero ahead of Chet is his polished scoring game. You can give him the ball and IMO he’ll get you buckets.

This is my main argument for Banchero, we need a primary offensive player, we haven't had one since Tmac, if he underwhelms he's DeRozen, which isn't a bad thing (not in style, impact).

Fultz
Suggs
Wagner
Banchero
Isaac

That's a pretty nice balanced 5

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It's balanced if you don't care about spacing.

I could see a scenario where we're worse offensively and defensively with Paolo instead of Jabari.

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[VFX]

we have good defenders on the team, we need offensive stars. Chet to me, isnt an offensive star. He will be a better shooting Marcus Camby. For some reason, im starting to like the idea of Paolo more. I would call up Houston, get #3, #17 and maybe a pick swap or some other asset. Should be able to nab Paolo at 3, then grab say Jalen Williams at 17. use #32 on Wendell Moore, trade #35 or use on a draft and stash.

come out looking like
Fultz/Cole
Suggs/Williams/Moore
WAgner/Williams/Moore
Paolo/Okeke/
WCJ/Mo Wagner

and if Isaac can give you 20 mpg, you get him in for spot minutes to see if he can stay healthy. If JJ Redick can become acceptable on defense, Paolo can do it. He doesnt have to be a star if his offense translates better. depends on his Orlando workout, can his 3 pt shooting improve to truly make him a 3 level scorer. He has the best chance out of the 3 to be a true 3 level scorer.

While we agree on Banchero A better shooting Marcus Camby is an awful comp for Chet. Come on man. Camby didn’t possess a fraction of the skills Chet has right now.

I think Orlando needs a primary scorer. When I think of Smith I see him as a high level complimentary player. Potentially making some All Star teams but not a guy you necessarily feature as your primary player.

For years I said that this last iteration of the Magic with Vooch and Fournier was built backwards. We had good complimentary piece s that you put around a star. I don’t want the team to paint themselves into a corner like that again. Being too good to get a high pick but not good enough to be a real threat in the PO’s.

What puts Banchero ahead of Chet is his polished scoring game. You can give him the ball and IMO he’ll get you buckets.

This is my main argument for Banchero, we need a primary offensive player, we haven't had one since Tmac, if he underwhelms he's DeRozen, which isn't a bad thing (not in style, impact).

Fultz
Suggs
Wagner
Banchero
Isaac

That's a pretty nice balanced 5

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Wagner can’t be the only +shooter on the floor. There is a lot of playmaking but not a lot of spacing.

[axl_c_cool]

Agreed, Banchero shot 33% from 3, he'll improve to above average, he's a scorer. Then we either start WCJ or Bamba and find a SG in FA or the draft if Suggs doesn't improve.

I like Smith, but he's not a franchise leading star imo, Banchero is the most likely for that. If we take Smith, I hope I'm wrong of course and will support him

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[rcklsscognition]

Are we not out of the era where there was a possibility someone who couldn't shoot can learn? I thought that came and went a decade ago when the 3 wasn't prominent. These kids came up in an era where 3pt shooting was all the rage. If they can't shoot yet, they're not going to get much better, are they?

[IllMagic04]

This is my main argument for Banchero, we need a primary offensive player, we haven't had one since Tmac, if he underwhelms he's DeRozen, which isn't a bad thing (not in style, impact).

Fultz
Suggs
Wagner
Banchero
Isaac

That's a pretty nice balanced 5

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It's balanced if you don't care about spacing.

I could see a scenario where we're worse offensively and defensively with Paolo instead of Jabari.

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I agree. Banchero is the worst fit with our current roster but Id still take him number 1. I think he's the best shot at becoming a star. Plus he fits well with Franz. Franz is the only player I take into consideration. I don't believe our current roster is the roster that will start winning.

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[IllMagic04]

Are we not out of the era where there was a possibility someone who couldn't shoot can learn? I thought that came and went a decade ago when the 3 wasn't prominent. These kids came up in an era where 3pt shooting was all the rage. If they can't shoot yet, they're not going to get much better, are they?

I agree to an extent. Id say if they have shown very little in terms of shooting then they wont be able too. I think Banchero and Ivey showed enough signs to believe the shooting can be solid. Where as someone like Micheal Kidd Gilchrist showed no signs of shooting touch and it didn't improve unsurprisingly. Scottie Barnes proved me wrong as he was very good his rookie year but I stand by my stance that he will not be a reliable shooter. He will excell in a bunch of other areas but I believe he will always be a below average shooter. I wouldn't swap Franz for Barnes despite his ROY

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[Rainwater]

I got Chet, Paolo, Ivey, then Jabari but pretty certain the magic will chose Jabari based off the hype. Don't think that is what the magic need as their biggest need is a scorer. Not to say that Jabari will be a terrible pick or he won't be a productive player but he is just not a player I would pick number 1. But I think drafting Jabari will continue the trend for the magic of drafting players who are good defensively but are lacking offensively (AG, Mo, Issac). But I really can't blame the magic as Jabari likely has the lowest bust potential (his defense and shooting will keep him in this league) and this draft is badly lacking superstar talent.

Anyway, the scouts have their work cut out for them finding the gem in this poor draft class.

[IllMagic04]

I got Chet, Paolo, Ivey, then Jabari but pretty certain the magic will chose Jabari based off the hype. Don't think that is what the magic need as their biggest need is a scorer. Not to say that Jabari will be a terrible pick or he won't be a productive player but he is just not a player I would pick number 1. But I think drafting Jabari will continue the trend for the magic of drafting players who are good defensively but are lacking offensively (AG, Mo, Issac). Anyway, the scouts have their work cut out for them of finding the gem in this poor draft.

Just curious. What makes you say Jabari is lacking offensively?

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[Rainwater]

I got Chet, Paolo, Ivey, then Jabari but pretty certain the magic will chose Jabari based off the hype. Don't think that is what the magic need as their biggest need is a scorer. Not to say that Jabari will be a terrible pick or he won't be a productive player but he is just not a player I would pick number 1. But I think drafting Jabari will continue the trend for the magic of drafting players who are good defensively but are lacking offensively (AG, Mo, Issac). Anyway, the scouts have their work cut out for them of finding the gem in this poor draft.

Just curious. What makes you say Jabari is lacking offensively?

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He is a spot up shooter or a guy that shoots off the jab step. If he can do this at a high level, great. However, he lacks so much offensive creativity that you typically get from a number one pick. He is poor playmaker, poor dribbler, poor one on one player, poor shot creater. His biggest asset in college was that he can just shoot over everybody, don't know if that will be the case in the NBA. Not to mention a lot of those shots were just terrible. When you have the number one pick you want so much more. Most realistic comparisons are JJJ or a defensive Rashad Lewis or R. Anderson. I would not say those are number one draft picks. But this is a poor draft class so you can only get what you can get.

[thelead]

If we take Banchero, obviously, that means the FO thinks he’s the best prospect… but I also think that means they know we’ll be looking for better fitting pieces around Paolo and Franz. I don’t think even WCJ works with Paolo due to defensive concerns (in terms of large starting minutes together).

[thelead]

I got Chet, Paolo, Ivey, then Jabari but pretty certain the magic will chose Jabari based off the hype. Don't think that is what the magic need as their biggest need is a scorer. Not to say that Jabari will be a terrible pick or he won't be a productive player but he is just not a player I would pick number 1. But I think drafting Jabari will continue the trend for the magic of drafting players who are good defensively but are lacking offensively (AG, Mo, Issac). Anyway, the scouts have their work cut out for them of finding the gem in this poor draft.

Just curious. What makes you say Jabari is lacking offensively?

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He is a spot up shooter or a guy that shoots off the jab step. If he can do this at a high level, great. However, he lacks so much offensive creativity that you typically get from a number one pick. He is poor playmaker, poor dribbler, poor one on one player. When you have the number one pick you want so much more. Most realistic comparisons are JJJ or a defensive Rashad Lewis or R. Anderson. I would not say those are number one draft picks. But this is a poor draft class so you can only get what you can get.

Was just about to reply with your last sentence. The pickings are slim. These guys may develop into lead stars but none have shown enough to have high confidence that it will happen.

[Rainwater]

Just curious. What makes you say Jabari is lacking offensively?

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He is a spot up shooter or a guy that shoots off the jab step. If he can do this at a high level, great. However, he lacks so much offensive creativity that you typically get from a number one pick. He is poor playmaker, poor dribbler, poor one on one player. When you have the number one pick you want so much more. Most realistic comparisons are JJJ or a defensive Rashad Lewis or R. Anderson. I would not say those are number one draft picks. But this is a poor draft class so you can only get what you can get.

Was just about to reply with your last sentence. The pickings are slim. These guys may develop into lead stars but none have shown enough to have high confidence that it will happen.

Completely agree with this

[CarraT]

I got Chet, Paolo, Ivey, then Jabari but pretty certain the magic will chose Jabari based off the hype. Don't think that is what the magic need as their biggest need is a scorer. Not to say that Jabari will be a terrible pick or he won't be a productive player but he is just not a player I would pick number 1. But I think drafting Jabari will continue the trend for the magic of drafting players who are good defensively but are lacking offensively (AG, Mo, Issac). Anyway, the scouts have their work cut out for them of finding the gem in this poor draft.

Just curious. What makes you say Jabari is lacking offensively?

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He is a spot up shooter or a guy that shoots off the jab step. If he can do this at a high level, great. However, he lacks so much offensive creativity that you typically get from a number one pick. He is poor playmaker, poor dribbler, poor one on one player, poor shot creater. His biggest asset in college was that he can just shoot over everybody, don't know if that will be the case in the NBA. Not to mention a lot of those shots were just terrible. When you have the number one pick you want so much more. Most realistic comparisons are JJJ or a defensive Rashad Lewis or R. Anderson. I would not say those are number one draft picks. But this is a poor draft class so you can only get what you can get.

Im totally fine with a Rashard Lewis (or, better comparison: Dirk Nowitzki) with Defense!