2023 Heat Season Thread - Let me dream edition

[Daffy]

If we acquire Dame another guy I'd look into at the right price tag if we can free up space would be Dillon Brooks.

[wade44]

If we acquire Dame another guy I'd look into at the right price tag if we can free up space would be Dillon Brooks.

Agreed Say what you want about brooks but he’s got that dog in him. I’d also go after a guy like Pat Beverly

[dean456]

I like where you’re going with this and agree that Grant would be a great addition. But, I need to note that his defense is more myth than reality. He’s actually an average at best defender and has been for years. Still, he’s long and athletic and def capable to guard wings and PFs. He just won’t be a difference maker on that end

Has he really ever been on any good defensive teams though? Outside of his 3 years with OKC and 1yr with DEN he's been playing on high lottery teams who were tanking and I wouldn't say OKC and Denver were really good defensive teams they were at best middle of the pack in those years.

I think a guy with Grant's toolkit would be far better utilized in Spo's defensive schemes than on other teams.

He passes the eye test for me. Defensive counting stats may not back it up. But I would say he is an above average defender.

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It’s not about defensive counting stats. It’s about his actual game by game impact on defense. Eye test, advanced metrics, and consistent report from knowledgeable fans/analysts of the teams he’s on.

He’s toolsy but hasn’t been a plus defender over the past few years. He’s not a net negative on that side either. I agree Miami could get more out of him. I believe the reality is that his focus has been trying to become more of a top offensive option and he’s basically abandoned defensive focus or exertion to do that. In Miami his role would be different and I’m confident he’d be capable. Just adding context bc he’s been riding a defensive reputation based on his look/tools for a while and it’s worth understanding.

I still very much support the idea of trying to bring him on board. IDK what it looks like from a salary cap perspective

I get what you are saying.

Cap wise, it would depend what he would command on the FA market. If for example he gets no more than 31.9mil in his first year then if we trade Lowry and Jovic's salaries then the cap impact would be no different to the guys we'd currently have on the roster at least for next season.

Dame 45.6mil/Grant 31.9mil (77.5mil total)
Lowry 29.6mil/Herro 27mil/Robinson 18.1mil/Jovic 2.3mil (77mil total)

Ultimately it depends how willing Micky is going into the tax the next 3yrs+ being committed to Bam/Jimmy/Dame/Grant for 3-4yrs as apposed to getting off Lowry's 28mil after next season and having a more manageable tax bill.

I'd say Micky is probably unlikely to want to commit to that but who knows after this run.

[Daffy]

Report on the tap says Portland is committed to bringing back Grant and would have interest in Ayton. Dame looking like a true pipe dream now.

[greg4012]

Yup I really think the Portland FO is gonna do the dumb thing and look to trade their pick and commit to building a middling team around Dame.

Their ownership doesn’t actually want to pay what it takes to compete and just wants to make money off the team.

[greg4012]

If the Dame sweepstakes doesn’t materialize, it may actually be time for the Beal trade to materialize. This Miami roster absolutely needs an infusion of scoring. Beal isn’t on Dame’s level but he’s a seamless fit for what the team needs and I believe we’d get the most out of him. His game is based entirely on skill/technique and shooting, so while the back end of his contract is hairy, I think it’s reasonable to get high level play out of Beal for most of it.

All accounts are that WAS is about to go all in on a rebuild and Beal’s contract is considered a devalued asset right now, especially with his no trade clause. It presents a real opportunity to add a lead scoring punch without being gouged on price

Washington gets Herro + Lowry (expiring) + 1 first round pick (maybe a swap also or additional protected pick?)

Miami gets Beal + Delon Wright

Miami lineup becomes something like this:

Gabe Vincent - Delon Wright - Goran Dragic
Bradley Beal - Duncan Robinson
Jimmy Butler - Caleb Martin - Haywood Highsmith
Kevin Love/Nikola Jovic/Jae Crowder rotation
Bam Adebayo - Andre Drummond

Low-key Delon Wright would be a great addition to this team. He’s a very good and disruptive defender, he can run the bench unit and serve as versatile guard depth that can play with various lineups.

[MettaWorldPanda]

One thing this series has told me is that we need to get bigger, younger, and more athletic up front. Love was a solid addition but he's clearly too slow to keep up with the likes of an Aaron Gordon. He can still body up players and plays with a very high veteran savvy IQ but it's a spot we need to upgrade at. We also need an upgrade at backup Center over the likes of a Cody Zeller.

[eddieheatfan]

One thing this series has told me is that we need to get bigger, younger, and more athletic up front. Love was a solid addition but he's clearly too slow to keep up with the likes of an Aaron Gordon. He can still body up players and plays with a very high veteran savvy IQ but it's a spot we need to upgrade at. We also need an upgrade at backup Center over the likes of a Cody Zeller.

do you want to keep a 38 year old lowry?

[Daffy]

One thing this series has told me is that we need to get bigger, younger, and more athletic up front. Love was a solid addition but he's clearly too slow to keep up with the likes of an Aaron Gordon. He can still body up players and plays with a very high veteran savvy IQ but it's a spot we need to upgrade at. We also need an upgrade at backup Center over the likes of a Cody Zeller.

I think Love is still decent but we need that young developing talent like you said either behind him or possibly starting over him. I also have high hopes for Orlando Robinson backing up Bam.

[Daffy]

If the Dame sweepstakes doesn’t materialize, it may actually be time for the Beal trade to materialize. This Miami roster absolutely needs an infusion of scoring. Beal isn’t on Dame’s level but he’s a seamless fit for what the team needs and I believe we’d get the most out of him. His game is based entirely on skill/technique and shooting, so while the back end of his contract is hairy, I think it’s reasonable to get high level play out of Beal for most of it.

All accounts are that WAS is about to go all in on a rebuild and Beal’s contract is considered a devalued asset right now, especially with his no trade clause. It presents a real opportunity to add a lead scoring punch without being gouged on price

Washington gets Herro + Lowry (expiring) + 1 first round pick (maybe a swap also or additional protected pick?)

Miami gets Beal + Delon Wright

Miami lineup becomes something like this:

Gabe Vincent - Delon Wright - Goran Dragic
Bradley Beal - Duncan Robinson
Jimmy Butler - Caleb Martin - Haywood Highsmith
Kevin Love/Nikola Jovic/Jae Crowder rotation
Bam Adebayo - Andre Drummond

Low-key Delon Wright would be a great addition to this team. He’s a very good and disruptive defender, he can run the bench unit and serve as versatile guard depth that can play with various lineups.

Herro in a deal for Dame I'd do without thinking. Herro in a deal for Beal I'm not sure Beal is that much of an upgrade anymore.

[MettaWorldPanda]

If the Dame sweepstakes doesn’t materialize, it may actually be time for the Beal trade to materialize. This Miami roster absolutely needs an infusion of scoring. Beal isn’t on Dame’s level but he’s a seamless fit for what the team needs and I believe we’d get the most out of him. His game is based entirely on skill/technique and shooting, so while the back end of his contract is hairy, I think it’s reasonable to get high level play out of Beal for most of it.

All accounts are that WAS is about to go all in on a rebuild and Beal’s contract is considered a devalued asset right now, especially with his no trade clause. It presents a real opportunity to add a lead scoring punch without being gouged on price

Washington gets Herro + Lowry (expiring) + 1 first round pick (maybe a swap also or additional protected pick?)

Miami gets Beal + Delon Wright

Miami lineup becomes something like this:

Gabe Vincent - Delon Wright - Goran Dragic
Bradley Beal - Duncan Robinson
Jimmy Butler - Caleb Martin - Haywood Highsmith
Kevin Love/Nikola Jovic/Jae Crowder rotation
Bam Adebayo - Andre Drummond

Low-key Delon Wright would be a great addition to this team. He’s a very good and disruptive defender, he can run the bench unit and serve as versatile guard depth that can play with various lineups.

Herro in a deal for Dame I'd do without thinking. Herro in a deal for Beal I'm not sure Beal is that much of an upgrade anymore.

Herro for Dame doesn't really work out for Portland when they already have two young talented SG's in Simons and Sharpe. Herro would have to be shipped off to a third team that gives Portland a true PG replacement. That complicates things as finding third teams that have a good young PG to give isn't always so cut and dry.

[miamiballer]

You know who the heat could really have used this series??? Aaron Gordon lol, I think he would have been a nice fit next to bam

We need to find a high energy athletic 4 with rebounding and 3 pt shooting

[Kobewade11]

If the news in the wiretap is true Portland intends to continue to build around Dame

[miamiballer]

If the news in the wiretap is true Portland intends to continue to build around Dame

Not the end of the world, I think that if we are healthy and can swing a deal for a really good starting pf and herro gets in shape, we will be fine

[greg4012]

If the Dame sweepstakes doesn’t materialize, it may actually be time for the Beal trade to materialize. This Miami roster absolutely needs an infusion of scoring. Beal isn’t on Dame’s level but he’s a seamless fit for what the team needs and I believe we’d get the most out of him. His game is based entirely on skill/technique and shooting, so while the back end of his contract is hairy, I think it’s reasonable to get high level play out of Beal for most of it.

All accounts are that WAS is about to go all in on a rebuild and Beal’s contract is considered a devalued asset right now, especially with his no trade clause. It presents a real opportunity to add a lead scoring punch without being gouged on price

Washington gets Herro + Lowry (expiring) + 1 first round pick (maybe a swap also or additional protected pick?)

Miami gets Beal + Delon Wright

Miami lineup becomes something like this:

Gabe Vincent - Delon Wright - Goran Dragic
Bradley Beal - Duncan Robinson
Jimmy Butler - Caleb Martin - Haywood Highsmith
Kevin Love/Nikola Jovic/Jae Crowder rotation
Bam Adebayo - Andre Drummond

Low-key Delon Wright would be a great addition to this team. He’s a very good and disruptive defender, he can run the bench unit and serve as versatile guard depth that can play with various lineups.

Herro in a deal for Dame I'd do without thinking. Herro in a deal for Beal I'm not sure Beal is that much of an upgrade anymore.

That’s the narrative we need to keep it a cheap deal.

I’m very confident that Beal is multiple tiers better than Herro today and can actually carry the scoring load that Herro can’t consistently. Beal’s drop in scoring since his back to back 30+ ppg seasons (2 years ago) has more to do with him playing a more team-focused game to accommodate guys on the roster that can’t contribute without looking for their own offense (Kuzma, Porzingis). Kuzma actually averaged more FGA this season than Beal.

Beal actually generated 3 more points per game than Herro on same number of FGA per game this season while always being defended as the primary option (Herro never had to deal with that).

Herro led our team in FGA but was 3rd in scoring. That’s not a healthy dynamic for an offense imo.

Beal is a better pull up shooter than Herro and always faces more defensive attention. He has a deeper bag and can create his own offense in regular season and playoffs. He’s also just less physically limited as he has a wider and more athletic frame.

Unless Miami legitimately thinks that Herro is ready to become a go-to scorer in the playoff game or has a lot of untapped upside to take his game to a new level at his peak, then I think Miami needs to explore this option.

[MettaWorldPanda]

One thing this series has told me is that we need to get bigger, younger, and more athletic up front. Love was a solid addition but he's clearly too slow to keep up with the likes of an Aaron Gordon. He can still body up players and plays with a very high veteran savvy IQ but it's a spot we need to upgrade at. We also need an upgrade at backup Center over the likes of a Cody Zeller.

do you want to keep a 38 year old lowry?

Nope he's going to be dealt as a big expiring with picks attached

[Rapaz]

The Heat will enter the offseason with its most tradable first-round picks in many years.

The Heat could conceivably offer as many as four first-round picks in trades, if it chooses, by doing two things: 1) picking a player for another team with the 18th pick in the June 22 Draft and 2) agreeing with OKC to waive the protections on the lottery-protected pick due the Thunder in 2025 or 2026.

If the teams agree that pick will be conveyed under any circumstances in 2026, then Miami could trade the player it chooses at No. 18 and first-round picks in 2024, 2028 and 2030. The 2030 pick can be traded only after the draft, because teams cannot trade picks more than seven drafts out.

Teams cannot trade picks before using the selections in consecutive years, but there’s nothing to prevent Miami from drafting a player for another team on June 22 and then trading its 2024 first-round pick, too.

In Damian Lillard’s case, the question is whether he asks for a trade -- or if Portland is willing -- before the draft. No trade involving Lillard can become official until July 9, due to his contract. But a deal can be informally agreed to before the draft.

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article276276436.html

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[wade44]

Could be yet another player using Miami Heat for leverage. Seen this movie many times

[wade44]

Then we mention Beal. He’s under contract until 2027. That second tax apron is going to loom large in the nba for next few years. Beal and Jimmy making 100 million per year combined sounds good on paper but in reality is just another pipe dream scenario