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Daffy wrote:John Wall also doing private workouts in Vegas. Wouldn't be the worst option off the bench.

Daffy wrote:

MiamiLoyal926 wrote:

Here it is y'all... I crunched the numbers on a spreadsheet of what our salary cap situation would look like for the next 4 years with Dame on the books.

These projections are assuming we are sending out Herro, Lowry, and Caleb ($63.5 mil) and taking back Dame & Nurkic ($62.5 mil). These projections also assume the max 10% cap increases each year and the projected salary cap spike with the new TV deal after the 2024-25 season.

Dame = NO Bam's Friends
- Not in 2025/26: Considering all this, those of you who think we will have cap space for Bam's friends after the Dame and Butler era is over are wrong. Both Tatum and Mitchell have a player option in 2025-26. We are $31 mil in the hole that season and have no cap for them if they do opt out and test FA. Even if we do find a way to unload Duncan and avoid Nurkic's contract, that barely brings us back to right under the salary cap. And if Butler also happens to opt out and take some ridiculously low contract like KLove, then we may have enough money for one of either DM or Tatum... not both. Who really thinks Butler is opting out of $52 mil? Not me!

- Not in 2026/27: The following season, hoping that Tatum and DM opt-in and push FA back a year....even if we do not bring back Butler, or sign him to the vet min, and assuming all the cap holds (including Bam's bird right cap hold), plus Dame's last year at $63 mil, we do not have the money for neither Tatum or DM. We would have to pray that somehow Dame retires and that Bam takes a pay cut to fit the three amigos under the cap.

Summary
Going after Dame pretty much eliminates us from any Mitchell or Tatum sweepstakes unless we retain enough draft and player capital that would be seen as worthy in a trade.

Taking Dame sounds great in theory, and can lead to a chip, but it also kills our books for years to come. We cant self-sabotage and kill our trade assets as well. THIS IS WHY YOU DO NOT TRADE A LOT OF ASSETS FOR DAME!

You sure about 2026/2027? Butler would be gone along with Richardson, Bryant, Love etc

HeatIn5 wrote:

MiamiLoyal926 wrote:

Here it is y'all... I crunched the numbers on a spreadsheet of what our salary cap situation would look like for the next 4 years with Dame on the books.

These projections are assuming we are sending out Herro, Lowry, and Caleb ($63.5 mil) and taking back Dame & Nurkic ($62.5 mil). These projections also assume the max 10% cap increases each year and the projected salary cap spike with the new TV deal after the 2024-25 season.

Dame = NO Bam's Friends
- Not in 2025/26: Considering all this, those of you who think we will have cap space for Bam's friends after the Dame and Butler era is over are wrong. Both Tatum and Mitchell have a player option in 2025-26. We are $31 mil in the hole that season and have no cap for them if they do opt out and test FA. Even if we do find a way to unload Duncan and avoid Nurkic's contract, that barely brings us back to right under the salary cap. And if Butler also happens to opt out and take some ridiculously low contract like KLove, then we may have enough money for one of either DM or Tatum... not both. Who really thinks Butler is opting out of $52 mil? Not me!

- Not in 2026/27: The following season, hoping that Tatum and DM opt-in and push FA back a year....even if we do not bring back Butler, or sign him to the vet min, and assuming all the cap holds (including Bam's bird right cap hold), plus Dame's last year at $63 mil, we do not have the money for neither Tatum or DM. We would have to pray that somehow Dame retires and that Bam takes a pay cut to fit the three amigos under the cap.

Summary
Going after Dame pretty much eliminates us from any Mitchell or Tatum sweepstakes unless we retain enough draft and player capital that would be seen as worthy in a trade.

Taking Dame sounds great in theory, and can lead to a chip, but it also kills our books for years to come. We cant self-sabotage and kill our trade assets as well. THIS IS WHY YOU DO NOT TRADE A LOT OF ASSETS FOR DAME!

You did amazing work, but forgot one thing

We didn’t have cap room when we got Shaq
We sign and traded for LeBron and Bosh
We were over the cap when we got Jimmy
We are over the cap and about to get Damian Lillard

If a guy wants to be here, we’ll be able to find a way to get them.

MiamiLoyal926 wrote:

Daffy wrote:

MiamiLoyal926 wrote:

Here it is y'all... I crunched the numbers on a spreadsheet of what our salary cap situation would look like for the next 4 years with Dame on the books.

These projections are assuming we are sending out Herro, Lowry, and Caleb ($63.5 mil) and taking back Dame & Nurkic ($62.5 mil). These projections also assume the max 10% cap increases each year and the projected salary cap spike with the new TV deal after the 2024-25 season.

Dame = NO Bam's Friends
- Not in 2025/26: Considering all this, those of you who think we will have cap space for Bam's friends after the Dame and Butler era is over are wrong. Both Tatum and Mitchell have a player option in 2025-26. We are $31 mil in the hole that season and have no cap for them if they do opt out and test FA. Even if we do find a way to unload Duncan and avoid Nurkic's contract, that barely brings us back to right under the salary cap. And if Butler also happens to opt out and take some ridiculously low contract like KLove, then we may have enough money for one of either DM or Tatum... not both. Who really thinks Butler is opting out of $52 mil? Not me!

- Not in 2026/27: The following season, hoping that Tatum and DM opt-in and push FA back a year....even if we do not bring back Butler, or sign him to the vet min, and assuming all the cap holds (including Bam's bird right cap hold), plus Dame's last year at $63 mil, we do not have the money for neither Tatum or DM. We would have to pray that somehow Dame retires and that Bam takes a pay cut to fit the three amigos under the cap.

Summary
Going after Dame pretty much eliminates us from any Mitchell or Tatum sweepstakes unless we retain enough draft and player capital that would be seen as worthy in a trade.

Taking Dame sounds great in theory, and can lead to a chip, but it also kills our books for years to come. We cant self-sabotage and kill our trade assets as well. THIS IS WHY YOU DO NOT TRADE A LOT OF ASSETS FOR DAME!

You sure about 2026/2027? Butler would be gone along with Richardson, Bryant, Love etc

100% sure. The numbers are there clear as day. I already put them all down as gone. Only Dame, Bam, Jovic, and JJJ still on the books. The rest are empty roster cap holds. With all that, we only have $44mil in cap space. DM and Tatum will each be eligible for a contract that starts at $52 mil.

dean456 wrote:

MiamiLoyal926 wrote:

Here it is y'all... I crunched the numbers on a spreadsheet of what our salary cap situation would look like for the next 4 years with Dame on the books.

These projections are assuming we are sending out Herro, Lowry, and Caleb ($63.5 mil) and taking back Dame & Nurkic ($62.5 mil). These projections also assume the max 10% cap increases each year and the projected salary cap spike with the new TV deal after the 2024-25 season.

Dame = NO Bam's Friends
- Not in 2025/26: Considering all this, those of you who think we will have cap space for Bam's friends after the Dame and Butler era is over are wrong. Both Tatum and Mitchell have a player option in 2025-26. We are $31 mil in the hole that season and have no cap for them if they do opt out and test FA. Even if we do find a way to unload Duncan and avoid Nurkic's contract, that barely brings us back to right under the salary cap. And if Butler also happens to opt out and take some ridiculously low contract like KLove, then we may have enough money for one of either DM or Tatum... not both. Who really thinks Butler is opting out of $52 mil? Not me!

- Not in 2026/27: The following season, hoping that Tatum and DM opt-in and push FA back a year....even if we do not bring back Butler, or sign him to the vet min, and assuming all the cap holds (including Bam's bird right cap hold), plus Dame's last year at $63 mil, we do not have the money for neither Tatum or DM. We would have to pray that somehow Dame retires and that Bam takes a pay cut to fit the three amigos under the cap.

Summary
Going after Dame pretty much eliminates us from any Mitchell or Tatum sweepstakes unless we retain enough draft and player capital that would be seen as worthy in a trade.

Taking Dame sounds great in theory, and can lead to a chip, but it also kills our books for years to come. We cant self-sabotage and kill our trade assets as well. THIS IS WHY YOU DO NOT TRADE A LOT OF ASSETS FOR DAME!

This depends on a few things.

I think Jimmy will retire after this current contract. He will likely play out his contract and accept his player option and play into 2026 and if Robinson's still on the team we'll keep him until 2026 also. That way we have everyone expiring in 2026, except Dame's PO.

Personally I think if we are planning to build around Bam for the next build we could be pairing him up with one of either De'Aaron Fox or SGA. Both of which expire in 2026 same as Bam and Jimmy if he accepts his PO in 2025.

Hopefully Dame doesn't accept his player option in 2026 so we can basically have a clean slate with Bam, Jovic, Jaquez and a ton of cap space. This might be more reason to trade Jovic now as he'll be in the first year of his extension in 2026 so if he turns into a good player, he will eat into a chunk of the available space in that year.

But ultimately non of this really matters because all these Bam friends gonna sign their extensions as soon as they can anyway same as Bam.

inhabitMiami wrote:Why are dudes in here talking about cap space when stars don't hit free agency?

MiamiLoyal926 wrote:

inhabitMiami wrote:Why are dudes in here talking about cap space when stars don't hit free agency?

You tell me… everyone swears that we will land Bam’s friends after the Dame and Butler era.

How? No cap space and no trade capital because RealGM traded it all away in the Dame deal?

inhabitMiami wrote:

MiamiLoyal926 wrote:

Daffy wrote:
You sure about 2026/2027? Butler would be gone along with Richardson, Bryant, Love etc

100% sure. The numbers are there clear as day. I already put them all down as gone. Only Dame, Bam, Jovic, and JJJ still on the books. The rest are empty roster cap holds. With all that, we only have $44mil in cap space. DM and Tatum will each be eligible for a contract that starts at $52 mil.

It's interesting to think about but reality is stars don't hit free agency so it's kinda a moot point.

You don't sacrifice contention today for potential contention in 5 years.

MiamiLoyal926 wrote:

dean456 wrote:

MiamiLoyal926 wrote:

Here it is y'all... I crunched the numbers on a spreadsheet of what our salary cap situation would look like for the next 4 years with Dame on the books.

These projections are assuming we are sending out Herro, Lowry, and Caleb ($63.5 mil) and taking back Dame & Nurkic ($62.5 mil). These projections also assume the max 10% cap increases each year and the projected salary cap spike with the new TV deal after the 2024-25 season.

Dame = NO Bam's Friends
- Not in 2025/26: Considering all this, those of you who think we will have cap space for Bam's friends after the Dame and Butler era is over are wrong. Both Tatum and Mitchell have a player option in 2025-26. We are $31 mil in the hole that season and have no cap for them if they do opt out and test FA. Even if we do find a way to unload Duncan and avoid Nurkic's contract, that barely brings us back to right under the salary cap. And if Butler also happens to opt out and take some ridiculously low contract like KLove, then we may have enough money for one of either DM or Tatum... not both. Who really thinks Butler is opting out of $52 mil? Not me!

- Not in 2026/27: The following season, hoping that Tatum and DM opt-in and push FA back a year....even if we do not bring back Butler, or sign him to the vet min, and assuming all the cap holds (including Bam's bird right cap hold), plus Dame's last year at $63 mil, we do not have the money for neither Tatum or DM. We would have to pray that somehow Dame retires and that Bam takes a pay cut to fit the three amigos under the cap.

Summary
Going after Dame pretty much eliminates us from any Mitchell or Tatum sweepstakes unless we retain enough draft and player capital that would be seen as worthy in a trade.

Taking Dame sounds great in theory, and can lead to a chip, but it also kills our books for years to come. We cant self-sabotage and kill our trade assets as well. THIS IS WHY YOU DO NOT TRADE A LOT OF ASSETS FOR DAME!

This depends on a few things.

I think Jimmy will retire after this current contract. He will likely play out his contract and accept his player option and play into 2026 and if Robinson's still on the team we'll keep him until 2026 also. That way we have everyone expiring in 2026, except Dame's PO.

Personally I think if we are planning to build around Bam for the next build we could be pairing him up with one of either De'Aaron Fox or SGA. Both of which expire in 2026 same as Bam and Jimmy if he accepts his PO in 2025.

Hopefully Dame doesn't accept his player option in 2026 so we can basically have a clean slate with Bam, Jovic, Jaquez and a ton of cap space. This might be more reason to trade Jovic now as he'll be in the first year of his extension in 2026 so if he turns into a good player, he will eat into a chunk of the available space in that year.

But ultimately non of this really matters because all these Bam friends gonna sign their extensions as soon as they can anyway same as Bam.

The cap numbers already assumed the fan theory in here that Butler would retire after his deal. In 2026, we have Bam’s cap hold, Dames contract (He is not opting out of $63 mil ) and both Jovic and JJJ’s Rookie deals still on the books. Even with only those 4, we don’t have enough.

Hopefully Jovic and/or JJJ are indeed still on the team and have become really good! If so, that is where we have a chance… having a good player to trade for Fox, Tatum, DM, etc.

MiamiLoyal926 wrote:

HeatIn5 wrote:

MiamiLoyal926 wrote:

Here it is y'all... I crunched the numbers on a spreadsheet of what our salary cap situation would look like for the next 4 years with Dame on the books.

These projections are assuming we are sending out Herro, Lowry, and Caleb ($63.5 mil) and taking back Dame & Nurkic ($62.5 mil). These projections also assume the max 10% cap increases each year and the projected salary cap spike with the new TV deal after the 2024-25 season.

Dame = NO Bam's Friends
- Not in 2025/26: Considering all this, those of you who think we will have cap space for Bam's friends after the Dame and Butler era is over are wrong. Both Tatum and Mitchell have a player option in 2025-26. We are $31 mil in the hole that season and have no cap for them if they do opt out and test FA. Even if we do find a way to unload Duncan and avoid Nurkic's contract, that barely brings us back to right under the salary cap. And if Butler also happens to opt out and take some ridiculously low contract like KLove, then we may have enough money for one of either DM or Tatum... not both. Who really thinks Butler is opting out of $52 mil? Not me!

- Not in 2026/27: The following season, hoping that Tatum and DM opt-in and push FA back a year....even if we do not bring back Butler, or sign him to the vet min, and assuming all the cap holds (including Bam's bird right cap hold), plus Dame's last year at $63 mil, we do not have the money for neither Tatum or DM. We would have to pray that somehow Dame retires and that Bam takes a pay cut to fit the three amigos under the cap.

Summary
Going after Dame pretty much eliminates us from any Mitchell or Tatum sweepstakes unless we retain enough draft and player capital that would be seen as worthy in a trade.

Taking Dame sounds great in theory, and can lead to a chip, but it also kills our books for years to come. We cant self-sabotage and kill our trade assets as well. THIS IS WHY YOU DO NOT TRADE A LOT OF ASSETS FOR DAME!

You did amazing work, but forgot one thing

We didn’t have cap room when we got Shaq
We sign and traded for LeBron and Bosh
We were over the cap when we got Jimmy
We are over the cap and about to get Damian Lillard

If a guy wants to be here, we’ll be able to find a way to get them.

I set the bait and you bit…

All those trades had one thing in common…. We had assets we could trade!!!

Y’all trying to deal away all our tradable assets for Dame too! How do you land any of them if you do not have anything worth a lick to trade because it’s all traded through 2030?

If you don’t have cap to sign them, and don’t have assets to trade for them, then you don’t have a shot at them.

Let me repeat for those in the back… THIS IS WHY YOU DO NOT TRADE A LOT OF ASSETS FOR DAME!

greg4012 wrote:

MiamiLoyal926 wrote:

dean456 wrote:
This depends on a few things.

I think Jimmy will retire after this current contract. He will likely play out his contract and accept his player option and play into 2026 and if Robinson's still on the team we'll keep him until 2026 also. That way we have everyone expiring in 2026, except Dame's PO.

Personally I think if we are planning to build around Bam for the next build we could be pairing him up with one of either De'Aaron Fox or SGA. Both of which expire in 2026 same as Bam and Jimmy if he accepts his PO in 2025.

Hopefully Dame doesn't accept his player option in 2026 so we can basically have a clean slate with Bam, Jovic, Jaquez and a ton of cap space. This might be more reason to trade Jovic now as he'll be in the first year of his extension in 2026 so if he turns into a good player, he will eat into a chunk of the available space in that year.

But ultimately non of this really matters because all these Bam friends gonna sign their extensions as soon as they can anyway same as Bam.

The cap numbers already assumed the fan theory in here that Butler would retire after his deal. In 2026, we have Bam’s cap hold, Dames contract (He is not opting out of $63 mil ) and both Jovic and JJJ’s Rookie deals still on the books. Even with only those 4, we don’t have enough.

Hopefully Jovic and/or JJJ are indeed still on the team and have become really good! If so, that is where we have a chance… having a good player to trade for Fox, Tatum, DM, etc.

The bolded is the compelling point. Plus the players drafted by Miami with the 2024 pick and potentially one of 2025 or 2026 become tradable assets. Plus the 2 future tradable picks that will be unlocked by time passing. Attach assets to a massive Dame expiring in any such trade.

Trading less is always better, but I'm not fretting over trading the ~3 future FRPs Miami can access.

- Get Dame
- Keep one of Caleb or Haysmith
- Keep one of Jovic or Jaquez

I don't think Miami would be left with no avenues to improve in perpetuity just by trading for Dame.

Creative and capable front offices matter a lot.

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Let’s see what happens in the deal before we start jumping to conclusions and even then landing a superstar who’s arguably the greatest fit in the league next to Jimmy and Bam is no reason to be screaming the sky is falling.

IceColdCubano wrote:

MiamiLoyal926 wrote:

HeatIn5 wrote:
You did amazing work, but forgot one thing

We didn’t have cap room when we got Shaq
We sign and traded for LeBron and Bosh
We were over the cap when we got Jimmy
We are over the cap and about to get Damian Lillard

If a guy wants to be here, we’ll be able to find a way to get them.

I set the bait and you bit…

All those trades had one thing in common…. We had assets we could trade!!!

Y’all trying to deal away all our tradable assets for Dame too! How do you land any of them if you do not have anything worth a lick to trade because it’s all traded through 2030?

If you don’t have cap to sign them, and don’t have assets to trade for them, then you don’t have a shot at them.

Let me repeat for those in the back… THIS IS WHY YOU DO NOT TRADE A LOT OF ASSETS FOR DAME!

I was going to post something a page back, but decided to skip it, because it would feel like I keep saying the same thing over and over. You took the words out of my mouth, the thing about all those trades are we had enough or barely enough, but those players indeed wanted without a doubt to come here, so it happened. Similar to how we barely have enough now but Lillard is dead set on coming here, yet how is the process going? We still don't have him because our package sucks, when we do end up with Lillard and all signs point to that happening, please forget about getting another superstar in this build duration while Lillard on this team. One we won't have the assets because they will all be gone by then. Miami will focus on just retooling Mininum contracts or some vets here and there for the next 4 years.

Just to make it even clearer for those who think its a possibility it takes a certain amount of time to gain assetts and re stock to build a contender. so lets just do simple math on the guys posted above.

Shaq was acquired on: July 14 2004 - starting point
Lebron & Bosh were acquired on: July 8 2010 - 6 years later
Jimmy was acquired on: July 6 2019 - 9 years later

That's an average of 7.5 years between mayor free agent signing. Which kind of matches the amount of time or years you are allowed to trade assets out into the future.

Acquiring Lillard in: July of 2023 - means Miami will not acquire another mayor free agent with assets until 2030-2031

Also these days, big superstars who do not extend barely ever hit free agency teams will not take that chance. Which is the only way they can probably attain another mayor free agent, that of course won't happen until at least Damian contract expiring in 2027.

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Let’s see what happens in the deal before we start jumping to conclusions and even then landing a superstar who’s arguably the greatest fit in the league next to Jimmy and Bam is no reason to be screaming the sky is falling.

Rapaz wrote:No need for a spreadsheet when I’m gonna spread your cheeks.

I’m taking everything.