Trade Talk (Part 16): Early Season Anxiety Edition

[winforlose]

This belongs in two threads. I will put it in update on former Wolves players as well. I do however want to discuss it here.

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This is what I was talking about with Kyle in the offseason, and with NAW potentially next season even if we cannot keep him long term for money reasons.

[shrink]

This one is for Shrink because he called me no fun. He wanted to discuss a trade involving a 2025 draft pick.

Wolves out: Jaden McDaniels
Wolves in: Wolves 25 1st, Walker Kessler, Cole Anthony, protections on 29 first expanded from 1-5 to 1-10.

Utah in: Jaden McDaniels,
Utah out: Wolves 25 pick, expanded protection on 2029 first, Colin Sexton

Orlando out: Cole Anthony
Orlando in: Colin Sexton

I would do it. I don’t think Connelly, Ant, or Finch would like it.

What’s funny is that most of this could have been discussed during the original Gobert trade 2 years ago!

One little economics shout out here. If the team and the agent are doing their job, any new contract or extension should be the price the market will bear. New contracts should be net neutral, not worth 1st rounders in the next draft. Jaden may have taken a slight haircut, but not to the tune of Kessler plus the MIN pick plus reducing future protections on a pick

[shrink]

I hadn’t noticed before this, but if our 2029 Top 5 protected pick doesn’t confer, we only own UTA our 2nd.

Because this deal was two years ago, 2029 was the farthest picks could go out, so you don’t see it rolling over to, say, a Top 1 protected 2030 pick if it didn’t confer. This is a huge difference in value. It also allowed us to trade a 2030 pick swap and 2031 unprotected 1st to the Spurs. And note, this prevents us from trading our 2029 2nd, because we may owe it to the Spurs.

[shrink]

This belongs in two threads. I will put it in update on former Wolves players as well. I do however want to discuss it here.

Read on Twitter

This is what I was talking about with Kyle in the offseason, and with NAW potentially next season even if we cannot keep him long term for money reasons.

Poor Josh was more “walking trade exception” than player, for the Suns right now.

[winforlose]

This belongs in two threads. I will put it in update on former Wolves players as well. I do however want to discuss it here.

Read on Twitter

This is what I was talking about with Kyle in the offseason, and with NAW potentially next season even if we cannot keep him long term for money reasons.

Poor Josh was more “walking trade exception” than player, for the Suns right now.

Ironic choice of words considering how much they overpaid him to fill this role

[TimberKat]

This belongs in two threads. I will put it in update on former Wolves players as well. I do however want to discuss it here.

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This is what I was talking about with Kyle in the offseason, and with NAW potentially next season even if we cannot keep him long term for money reasons.

Poor Josh was more “walking trade exception” than player, for the Suns right now.

Ironic choice of words considering how much they overpaid him to fill this role

More importantly, did Suns took the backup center that Wolves needed? They already took Jones and Morris (although I didn't care about him as much) from us

[shrink]

Poor Josh was more “walking trade exception” than player, for the Suns right now.

Ironic choice of words considering how much they overpaid him to fill this role

More importantly, did Suns took the backup center that Wolves needed? They already took Jones and Morris (although I didn't care about him as much) from us

I rushed over to check. He makes $5 mil, which probably means he wasn’t in our ballpark, barring a Randle trade.

And W4L, you’re right about Rich Josh. I imagine getting paid $7 mil instead of $2 mil took away some of his sadness!

[winforlose]

Ironic choice of words considering how much they overpaid him to fill this role

More importantly, did Suns took the backup center that Wolves needed? They already took Jones and Morris (although I didn't care about him as much) from us

I rushed over to check. He makes $5 mil, which probably means he wasn’t in our ballpark, barring a Randle trade.

And W4L, you’re right about Rich Josh. I imagine getting paid $7 mil instead of $2 mil took away some of his sadness!

Rich Josh!

Oh, Kyle to GSW now in a 3 team deal would have sent 8 or 9 million worth of salary to us. We could have easily afforded him and having not signed PJ we would have saved a million in dead cap at the same time.

[cmoss84]

Anyone interested in Maxey for Randle, Jaden, +

[Domejandro]

Anyone interested in Maxey for Randle, Jaden, +

Minnesota cannot aggregate, so unless there is a creative way to do this where the team actually ducks under the Second Apron, it probably isn't doable. There maybe is a way to incorporate Detroit as a third team taking Julius Randle to make it possible (if Minnesota trades both and only takes back Tyrese Maxey), but the follow-up question becomes "Why would Philadelphia consider that deal?"

Unfortunately, I don't see a real pathway to getting Philadelphia to accept a deal for Tyrese Maxey, given Minnesota's assets.

[Klomp]

Minnesota cannot aggregate

Do we need to just rename the thread to this, so that the point gets across more clearly?

[Klomp]

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[cmoss84]

Challenge accepted.
I'll get us a good return and under 2nd apron.

[cmoss84]

Alright. Philly is over by $643,952 and NOP are over by $587,681...but you'll get the idea. This is the best madness I could come up with.

Det OUT: Isaiah Stewart, Ron Holland III, Jalen Duren, Bobi Klintman
Det IN: Brandon Ingram, NAW, Reggie Jackson, '25 FRP (Mil)
Cade-Ivey-Jackson-THJ-NAW-Thompson-Ingram-Beasley-Fontecchio-TRADE PF/C-FA BIG-FA-BIG
Detroit loads up for a playoff run. Another trade to follow, as well as a FA or two. Team taking on most risk in this trade. When can they extend Ingram/NAW?

Philly OUT: Tyrese Maxey, Caleb Martin, KMJr, Jared McCain, KOJr, Reggie Jackson
Philly IN: Zion, Jaden, RD, '25 SRP (Utah)
Lowry-Gordon-RD-Jaden-George-Zion-Embiid-Drummond
They are also taking on a good amount of risk, and might need to acquire another guard...but a starting five of
Gordon-George-Jaden-Zion-Embiid is interesting. Can they stay healthy? Does Lowry have anything left in the tank?

NOP OUT: Zion, Brandon Ingram, JRE, Alvarado, '25 FRP (Mil)
NOP IN: Julius Randle, Isaiah Stewart, Ron Holland II, Caleb Martin, KMJr, Jared McCain, Bobi Klintman
Pretty damn good all-around value coming in. Get rid of their headache in the meantime. They might have to give up a couple more draft picks...do they trade CJ soon also?
Murray-CJ-BBJr-Hawkins-McCain-Murphy III-Holland III-Martin-Jones-KMJr-Randle-Missi

MN OUT: Julius Randle, Jaden, RD, NAW, '25 SRP (Utah)
MN IN: Tyrese Maxey, KOJr., Jalen Duran, JRE, Jose Alvarado
Giving Maxey the keys to the caddy. Naz splits his minutes at SF/PF. Good depth everywhere after we sign a FA big. We are now a 1st apron team.
PG: Maxey-Mike-Alvarado
SG: Ant-DD-TSJ
SF: KOJr-Naz-Ant-Minott
PF: Naz-Duren-JRE-Miller
C: Rudy-Duren-Garza-FA

[Domejandro]

I really think figuring out the framework where Minnesota swaps Julius Randle for Cameron Johnson is the key, but finding that third team is pretty tough. Cameron Johnson would offer Minnesota the flexibility to run line-ups with him at Small-Forward instead of Jaden McDaniels, in situations where they need more spacing.

[Norseman79]

How many of our losses have come do to our bench getting outscored miserably? How many of our wins resulted in our benching having a scoring burst? I wish I knew where they kept stats like that

[winforlose]

How many of our losses have come do to our bench getting outscored miserably? How many of our wins resulted in our benching having a scoring burst? I wish I knew where they kept stats like that

You could try stat muse or if you pay for it cleaning the glass. This is not a comprehensive list, just off the top of my head ideas.

[Klomp]

With every game that goes by where turnovers and rebounds are our biggest issues, Lonzo Ball and Jalen Smith look a little bit better....

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[minimus]

Minnesota cannot aggregate

Do we need to just rename the thread to this, so that the point gets across more clearly?

The main reason why I don't respond in this thread

[minimus]

It is pretty simple right now: don't get out rebounded as team, don't make silly turnovers, and run in transition. And with Rudy declining rebounding issues will only be worse.