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Re: 2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#1061 » by contract » Wed Dec 25, 2024 11:12 pm

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contract wrote:The Heat could have kept Wade by simply matching the two year offer that he got from the Bulls. The Heat said "it's been nice knowing you!"


No, they couldnt match the offer. Because Wade opt out the fifth year, and resigned for one year 20 mill, the Heat lost Wade bird rights. At that point Wade was just looking for a team who was willing to pay him more than the Heat could.

What the ever loving **** are you babbling about?

The Heat absolutely could have matched the Bulls offer or even paid him more.

Pretty much everything that you're saying is nonsense.
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Post#1062 » by TroubleS0me » Wed Dec 25, 2024 11:13 pm

lol of course the trade request happens on christmas.
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Post#1063 » by contract » Wed Dec 25, 2024 11:14 pm

In case anyone wants to brush up on Bird Rights.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm
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Post#1064 » by twix2500 » Wed Dec 25, 2024 11:14 pm

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contract wrote:Where did this new narrative come from?

Also, the Heat obviously did not need to give up any draft picks to sign Wade to a fifth year.

You're spinning bull here.


Wade, Lebron and Bosh sat with Pat and said they wanted the fifth year. Pat told them if they force him to do that then will not have draft picks to keep building the team around the big three. So pat traded picks for Lebron and Bosh to give everyone the fifth year. The big three were negotioting the contracts together with Pat. So they force pat to trade picks for the fifth year and all three of them declined out of it when the year came.

That had absolutely nothing to do with Wade.


It did have to do with Wade. It was a package deal negotiation. Because they were taking less to play with each other, the fifth year was mandetory. All three will rearranging the contracts with Pat to build the roster, and one of the request was to keep Haslem. They were all working together on how to build the roster. You have to understand what they were doing, if they were gonna take less to be with each other all must get paid the same.
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Re: 2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#1065 » by unowen85 » Wed Dec 25, 2024 11:19 pm

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/16794599/dwyane-wade-wants-50m-two-years-leaving-miami-heat-offer-short

Wade wanted 50 mil over two years. Heat could’ve created room to sign him but didn’t. We were crap after he left. Would’ve been crap with him, but at least we could’ve kept watching him play in a Heat jersey.
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Post#1066 » by twix2500 » Wed Dec 25, 2024 11:38 pm

unowen85 wrote:https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/16794599/dwyane-wade-wants-50m-two-years-leaving-miami-heat-offer-short

Wade wanted 50 mil over two years. Heat could’ve created room to sign him but didn’t. We were crap after he left. Would’ve been crap with him, but at least we could’ve kept watching him play in a Heat jersey.


That was after denying the Heats offer. That was the most the Heat could offer per year. The market was drying up, that is what he was looking for from other teams at that point, that was the 6th day into free agency. The most another team offered was 23 per year, so he took it. Initially he wanted the max and wanted to be treated like the Heat was recruiting him. He stated himself, he felt hurt that the Heat didnt pursue him with the red carpet and be the first person at midnight, and that he wanted the max deal going away gift like Kobe. But he hurt himself by opting out the fifth year and losing his bird rights. The Heat couldnt sign him over the cap.
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Post#1067 » by twix2500 » Wed Dec 25, 2024 11:44 pm

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unowen85 wrote:https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/16794599/dwyane-wade-wants-50m-two-years-leaving-miami-heat-offer-short

Wade wanted 50 mil over two years. Heat could’ve created room to sign him but didn’t. We were crap after he left. Would’ve been crap with him, but at least we could’ve kept watching him play in a Heat jersey.


That was after denying the Heats offer. That was the most the Heat could offer per year. The market was drying up, that is what he was looking for from other teams at that point, that was the 6th day into free agency. The most another team offered was 23 per year, so he took it. Initially he wanted the max and wanted to be treated like the Heat was recruiting him. He stated himself, he felt hurt that the Heat didnt pursue him with the red carpet and be the first person at midnight, and that he wanted the max deal going away gift like Kobe. But he hurt himself by opting out the fifth year and losing his bird rights. The Heat couldnt sign him over the cap.


I think it was around the 3rd day into free agency, that Pat was saying he is letting Arison negotiate with Wade. Wade also confirm this and said he felt hurt that Pat stayed out of the negotiations because of their relationship. Arison should have offered Wade something off the books, IMO, which happens a lot but not talked about......

Pat Riley says Heat should have given Dwyane Wade max contract in 2014
If this had happened, he would almost certainly have finished his career in Miami

In mid-July, Miami Heat president Pat Riley said he regretted not doing more to re-sign Dwyane Wade, instead leaving contract negotiations to owner Mickey Arison and CEO Nick Arison. On Thursday, with Wade returning to Miami as a member of the Chicago Bulls, Riley told TNT's David Aldridge that he had another regret: not signing Wade to a maximum contract in the summer of 2014.
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Re: 2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#1068 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Wed Dec 25, 2024 11:48 pm

Patrick Riley sucks, give it a rest.
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Post#1069 » by NightWatch » Wed Dec 25, 2024 11:49 pm

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heater4life wrote:Curious to see if with Jimmy rumors swirling, some players try to make their way down to Miami. There will be a void to be filled and there will be a good amount of assets moving around. I think it’ll likely be a multi team deal if it goes down.


The Heat are the biggest draw in Miami. There's definitely a marketing edge to being down there and the people embrace their sport stars like family.

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Post#1070 » by Flash4thewin » Wed Dec 25, 2024 11:54 pm

Again just simply reading the rooms and saying the quiet part out loud, why would say a free agent like Fox give up 50+ mil to come here. It’s not like we take care of our star players, it’s not like he can make up 50+ mil in endorsements. Then you need to remember our inability to go all in even when making the finals multiple times. Again we are not talking about a simple million, we are taking about 50+ million.
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Re: 2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#1071 » by twix2500 » Wed Dec 25, 2024 11:55 pm

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Post#1072 » by contract » Wed Dec 25, 2024 11:57 pm

TroubleS0me wrote:lol of course the trade request happens on christmas.

Did I miss a trade request?
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Post#1073 » by contract » Wed Dec 25, 2024 11:59 pm

twix2500 wrote:
unowen85 wrote:https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/16794599/dwyane-wade-wants-50m-two-years-leaving-miami-heat-offer-short

Wade wanted 50 mil over two years. Heat could’ve created room to sign him but didn’t. We were crap after he left. Would’ve been crap with him, but at least we could’ve kept watching him play in a Heat jersey.


That was after denying the Heats offer. That was the most the Heat could offer per year. The market was drying up, that is what he was looking for from other teams at that point, that was the 6th day into free agency. The most another team offered was 23 per year, so he took it. Initially he wanted the max and wanted to be treated like the Heat was recruiting him. He stated himself, he felt hurt that the Heat didnt pursue him with the red carpet and be the first person at midnight, and that he wanted the max deal going away gift like Kobe. But he hurt himself by opting out the fifth year and losing his bird rights. The Heat couldnt sign him over the cap.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q32
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Re: 2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#1074 » by twix2500 » Thu Dec 26, 2024 12:05 am

twix2500 wrote:
twix2500 wrote:
unowen85 wrote:https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/16794599/dwyane-wade-wants-50m-two-years-leaving-miami-heat-offer-short

Wade wanted 50 mil over two years. Heat could’ve created room to sign him but didn’t. We were crap after he left. Would’ve been crap with him, but at least we could’ve kept watching him play in a Heat jersey.


That was after denying the Heats offer. That was the most the Heat could offer per year. The market was drying up, that is what he was looking for from other teams at that point, that was the 6th day into free agency. The most another team offered was 23 per year, so he took it. Initially he wanted the max and wanted to be treated like the Heat was recruiting him. He stated himself, he felt hurt that the Heat didnt pursue him with the red carpet and be the first person at midnight, and that he wanted the max deal going away gift like Kobe. But he hurt himself by opting out the fifth year and losing his bird rights. The Heat couldnt sign him over the cap.


I think it was around the 3rd day into free agency, that Pat was saying he is letting Arison negotiate with Wade. Wade also confirm this and said he felt hurt that Pat stayed out of the negotiations because of their relationship. Arison should have offered Wade something off the books, IMO, which happens a lot but not talked about......

Pat Riley says Heat should have given Dwyane Wade max contract in 2014
If this had happened, he would almost certainly have finished his career in Miami

In mid-July, Miami Heat president Pat Riley said he regretted not doing more to re-sign Dwyane Wade, instead leaving contract negotiations to owner Mickey Arison and CEO Nick Arison. On Thursday, with Wade returning to Miami as a member of the Chicago Bulls, Riley told TNT's David Aldridge that he had another regret: not signing Wade to a maximum contract in the summer of 2014.


Free-agent shooting guard Dwyane Wade is pursuing a maximum contract with the Miami Heat, reports Yahoo! Sports' Adrian Wojnarowski. Jul 1, 2015

Wade opted out of the final year of his contract, turning down the $16.1 million he would have made during the 2015–16 season had he opted in.
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Re: 2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#1075 » by contract » Thu Dec 26, 2024 12:06 am

twix2500 wrote:
unowen85 wrote:https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/16794599/dwyane-wade-wants-50m-two-years-leaving-miami-heat-offer-short

Wade wanted 50 mil over two years. Heat could’ve created room to sign him but didn’t. We were crap after he left. Would’ve been crap with him, but at least we could’ve kept watching him play in a Heat jersey.


That was after denying the Heats offer. That was the most the Heat could offer per year. The market was drying up, that is what he was looking for from other teams at that point, that was the 6th day into free agency. The most another team offered was 23 per year, so he took it. Initially he wanted the max and wanted to be treated like the Heat was recruiting him. He stated himself, he felt hurt that the Heat didnt pursue him with the red carpet and be the first person at midnight, and that he wanted the max deal going away gift like Kobe. But he hurt himself by opting out the fifth year and losing his bird rights. The Heat couldnt sign him over the cap.

1. The Kobe contract wasn't what you remember.

2. Opting out of the fifth year had no relevance to his Bird Rights.

3. Wade wasn't coming off of that deal anyway. After that deal he signed a 1+1 with a pay reduction deal so we could afford Deng. The second year being a player option insurance year. Then he opted out of that second year to recoup the money he had left on the table. And then a bunch of **** from there.

Your memory is faulty.
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Re: 2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#1076 » by contract » Thu Dec 26, 2024 12:08 am

As a refresher ... the "Kobe deal" was a two-year contract extension with the Lakers at an estimated value of $48.5 million.
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Re: 2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#1077 » by eddieheatfan » Thu Dec 26, 2024 12:18 am

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Post#1078 » by Kobewade11 » Thu Dec 26, 2024 12:20 am

-Wade's original deal in 2010 was for 6 years 107.5 million
-He opted out of the final 2 years that would have paid him 21 million each season.
-He ended up playing for 15.5 the next year, before signing with Chicago the next season for 20 million (factoring taxes perhaps less)

I hate rehashing stuff from a decade ago but coming off the 2014 Finals in which he frankly looked cooked, Wade should have put himself first and opted in to those final two years on his deal. He would have made more money than he eventually ended up with for those two seasons but LeSnake played him like a fiddle by talking him into opting out under the guise of them all working out new deals together.
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Re: 2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#1079 » by AirP. » Thu Dec 26, 2024 12:22 am

DayofMourning wrote:AirP, you still gonna be around if we move Jimmy? Or are you gonna be a Sixers fan or whatever?

I was a Hornets fan bcuz of Zo. Moved to Miami with him. Never left.

I'll move on with Butler and then probably end up just following the local OKC team, I go to a few games a year but really don't follow them all that much as of now. Early on I thought I may stay with Miami but my idea of how Miami operated as a franchise and the reality I've seen in the half decade following them is dramatically different and quite disappointing. To be that close with nearly zero execution to try to make the team better with assets, almost always sending destressed players for older cheaper vets(asset wise). The Heat FO walked 2 timelines for some reason (present and future) and didn't maximize either.
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Re: 2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#1080 » by Kobewade11 » Thu Dec 26, 2024 12:24 am

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DayofMourning wrote:AirP, you still gonna be around if we move Jimmy? Or are you gonna be a Sixers fan or whatever?

I was a Hornets fan bcuz of Zo. Moved to Miami with him. Never left.

I'll move on with Butler and then probably end up just following the local OKC team, I go to a few games a year but really don't follow them all that much as of now. Early on I thought I may stay with Miami but my idea of how Miami operated as a franchise and the reality I've seen in the half decade following them is dramatically different and quite disappointing. To be that close with nearly zero execution to try to make the team better with assets, almost always sending destressed players for older cheaper vets(asset wise). The Heat FO walked 2 timelines for some reason (present and future) and didn't maximize either.

you should just stick with OKC to be honest..that being your local team and all, young franchise superstar etc. Your insights will be missed.

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