Fake Trade Thread 2014-15

[Braggins]

I'm suspicious why he fell so far in the draft. I understand the concerns about character but I would bet there were concerns about his game translating to the NBA as well. He has an NBA body and I think they placed too much weight on that. He's very slow. His handles are loose. He has horrific court vision, low BBIQ, terrible feel for the flow of the game, poor shot selection. I mean, he can shoot from deep but he literally has to be set up perfectly. It won't be difficult for NBA perimeter defenders to run this guy off the 3-pt line. It sucks moose balls we traded Shabazz Napier for him. Napier has the range, the handles, the quickness, just missing the size. One thing I hate about the NBA is when size is weighed too heavily. I think Hairston's NBA body got him into the first round.

I'm not counting on anything from him but Neal is a better asset to move because of his salary and we don't need either of them right now. We have plenty of SGs.

[Liver_Pooty]

All I got from the last few pages is that Braggins has a borderline obsessively blind hate for Neal and I had to stop giving And1's to Ichiro because it was getting tiresome.

The only thing I like about Neal is his expiring contract, but hes better than Hairston right now.

[Braggins]

You and I both know that Clifford isn't going to play Hairston over Neal right now. Thats a given. Neal may not have an ounce of talent that Hairston has, but he is way more savvy, and hes a veteran. As much upside as Hairston has he isn't ready. He is having trouble creating his own shot in the SL for Christ sake which is why he is settling for spot up 3 pointers.

And? Just because he won't doesn't mean he shouldn't. He should have played Adrien to start the season but didn't last year. Neal should be move to force Clifford to do the right thing and play the better player. If we are going to be deep at SG then let Henderson be the backup and Hairston the third guy.

In my opinion Hairston is not a better player than Neal is right now. I honestly don't think its even close, but trying to debate over something so trivial as to where either one of them at this point would play 7 minutes or even less a game makes me exhausted. So with that being said we will just see. I think Hairston is extremely talented, but its up to him on whether or not he wants to capitalize on that. Everything that I've seen thus far makes me think he doesnt.

That is my point though. Neither of them will be getting anything more than 7 or so minutes per game unless Hairston over-performs, which is a possibility, so if we are going to move a SG why wouldn't we move the one with no upside that clears more cap space as opposed to the young guy who could potentially become a legitimate good player?

[Liver_Pooty]

And? Just because he won't doesn't mean he shouldn't. He should have played Adrien to start the season but didn't last year. Neal should be move to force Clifford to do the right thing and play the better player. If we are going to be deep at SG then let Henderson be the backup and Hairston the third guy.

In my opinion Hairston is not a better player than Neal is right now. I honestly don't think its even close, but trying to debate over something so trivial as to where either one of them at this point would play 7 minutes or even less a game makes me exhausted. So with that being said we will just see. I think Hairston is extremely talented, but its up to him on whether or not he wants to capitalize on that. Everything that I've seen thus far makes me think he doesnt.

That is my point though. Neither of them will be getting anything more than 7 or so minutes per game unless Hairston over-performs, which is a possibility, so if we are going to move a SG why wouldn't we move the one with no upside that clears more cap space as opposed to the young guy who could potentially become a legitimate good player?

I don't want to move Hairston, at all. Unless he screws up again. I want to see him capitalize on his talents and see what occurs. My main point was that as of right now I think Neal should play in front of him.

[Braggins]

All I got from the last few pages is that Braggins has a borderline obsessively blind hate for Neal and I had to stop giving And1's to Ichiro because it was getting tiresome.

Did you watch any games last year that Neal played in? I think some of you are missing my point. I'm not saying Hairston is necessarily better than Neal right now but moving Hairston as opposed to Neal would be terrible considering the complete lack of need for either of them and Hairston's upside and salary compared to Neal's.

[chabber]

All I got from the last few pages is that Braggins has a borderline obsessively blind hate for Neal and I had to stop giving And1's to Ichiro because it was getting tiresome.

The only thing I like about Neal is his expiring contract, but hes better than Hairston right now.

Summer league was my first time seeing Hairston and I didn't see late lottery talent in his game, like I had heard from some. It was quite jarring.

As for Neal, he has a skill set that can be utilized in the right situation and of course he's an expiring, but the description of his game sounded filled with venom. I do agree also that overall people remember what he did in the finals and think he's better than what he is.

[Braggins]

In my opinion Hairston is not a better player than Neal is right now. I honestly don't think its even close, but trying to debate over something so trivial as to where either one of them at this point would play 7 minutes or even less a game makes me exhausted. So with that being said we will just see. I think Hairston is extremely talented, but its up to him on whether or not he wants to capitalize on that. Everything that I've seen thus far makes me think he doesnt.

That is my point though. Neither of them will be getting anything more than 7 or so minutes per game unless Hairston over-performs, which is a possibility, so if we are going to move a SG why wouldn't we move the one with no upside that clears more cap space as opposed to the young guy who could potentially become a legitimate good player?

I don't want to move Hairston, at all. Unless he screws up again. I want to see him capitalize on his talents and see what occurs. My main point was that as of right now I think Neal should play in front of him.

That is fair, but what started this and what I was debating was a few people saying that Hairston is one of the SG's we should move and that we should keep Neal over him. Things got a little off track but that is what I am disagreeing with although I do admit that I wouldn't be surprised if Hairston was more productive than Neal because that is such a low bar.

[Liver_Pooty]

All I got from the last few pages is that Braggins has a borderline obsessively blind hate for Neal and I had to stop giving And1's to Ichiro because it was getting tiresome.

The only thing I like about Neal is his expiring contract, but hes better than Hairston right now.

Summer league was my first time seeing Hairston and I don't know how anyone came away saying the kid had lottery talent. Not saying that was any of you guys.

As for Neal, he has a skill set that can be utilized in the right situation and of course he's an expiring, but the description of his game sounded filled with venom. I do agree also that overall people remember what he did in the finals and think he's better than what he is.

I watched Hairston a ton at UNC, and the kid has talent. Roy Williams was on record saying that Hairston is one of, if not the most talented player hes ever coached, but he has to do better than just shooting 3's. I wanted to see him create his own shot off the dribble in the SL and he struggled mightily.

[Liver_Pooty]

That is my point though. Neither of them will be getting anything more than 7 or so minutes per game unless Hairston over-performs, which is a possibility, so if we are going to move a SG why wouldn't we move the one with no upside that clears more cap space as opposed to the young guy who could potentially become a legitimate good player?

I don't want to move Hairston, at all. Unless he screws up again. I want to see him capitalize on his talents and see what occurs. My main point was that as of right now I think Neal should play in front of him.

That is fair, but what started this and what I was debating was a few people saying that Hairston is one of the SG's we should move and that we should keep Neal over him. Things got a little off track but that is what I am disagreeing with although I do admit that I wouldn't be surprised if Hairston was more productive than Neal because that is such a low bar.

Nah, Hairston doesn't need to go anywhere unless he gets in trouble again. Too much talent there.

[chabber]

All I got from the last few pages is that Braggins has a borderline obsessively blind hate for Neal and I had to stop giving And1's to Ichiro because it was getting tiresome.

Did you watch any games last year that Neal played in? I think some of you are missing my point. I'm not saying Hairston is necessarily better than Neal right now but moving Hairston as opposed to Neal would be terrible considering the complete lack of need for either of them and Hairston's upside and salary compared to Neal's.

I can understand that. I guess after seeing his shot selection, his handles, his defense and especially how slow he is on both sides of the ball, I think his upside is extremely limited. I'm sure he can catch fire some nights but I won't lie in saying that it wouldn't bother me if he was moved.

[Braggins]

All I got from the last few pages is that Braggins has a borderline obsessively blind hate for Neal and I had to stop giving And1's to Ichiro because it was getting tiresome.

Did you watch any games last year that Neal played in? I think some of you are missing my point. I'm not saying Hairston is necessarily better than Neal right now but moving Hairston as opposed to Neal would be terrible considering the complete lack of need for either of them and Hairston's upside and salary compared to Neal's.

I can understand that. I guess after seeing his shot selection, his handles, his defense and especially how slow he is on both sides of the ball, I think his upside is extremely limited. I'm sure he can catch fire some nights but I won't lie in saying that it wouldn't bother me if he was moved.

I wouldn't necessarily be upset if we moved him, but I would be if we moved him in a situation where we could have moved Neal instead. Neal has no value now or going forward. Hairston probably doesn't have value now and might have some going forward and Neal has a higher salary. We have a glut of SGs and at least one of them needs to go. In my opinion, Neal is by far the most expendable and the one that would make the most sense to trade, unless of course we can use Henderson to upgrade PF, but even then I think the best case scenario would be to move Hendo and Neal and resign CDR.

[MasterIchiro]

I will exit this discussion with this final declaration on PJ Hairston.

After watching him play today, I easily envisioned his team getting sussed up by high school kids to the point where he would feel so frustrated he'd dribble down the court and clock someone in the forehead.

The whole story initially reminded me of a time on a black top in a housing development I grew up in. It was a nice area but the neighborhood was for renters. We were the poor kids. There was one kid I played sports with and he was good at everything, younger than me by one year but gave me a run in every sport. I could only keep pace with him in soccer. He beat us in everything. One day my best friend to this day decided to challenge him and his cousin in a game of ice hockey. His cousin was older and had moved into the neighborhood from Rochester. The catch was this, we both had ice skates. They were sliding all over the ice falling on their asses like bambi. You know how rare it is to see a black hockey player? How about a black hockey player scuffling around on the ice with shoes and broom handles for sticks? We had official hockey sticks, aluminum style, taped up nicely. That was the only time we ever tasted victory.

Well, the talent gap was no larger in any sport than it was in basketball. This kid was stealing the ball from me on every possession. His older cousin had taught him how to slide beside a defender, reach around and tip the ball away. It drove me crazy. he was kicking my ass so badly. I tossed the ball aside. Walked up to him, kicked him in the knee, then in the side, then did a spinning back kick in his gut right in front of his older cousin who could have killed me. But I was so furious, and so frustrated, and so limited, I had to vent.

Of course this happened when I was 12 years old, not a decade later like Hairston.

[Braggins]

I will exit this discussion with this final declaration on PJ Hairston.

After watching him play today, I easily envisioned his team getting sussed up by high school kids to the point where he would feel so frustrated he'd dribble down the court and clock someone in the forehead.

The whole story initially reminded me of a time on a black top in a housing development I grew up in. It was a nice area but the neighborhood was for renters. We were the poor kids. There was one kid I played sports with and he was good at everything, younger than me by one year but gave me a run in every sport. I could only keep pace with him in soccer. He beat us in everything. One day my best friend to this day decided to challenge him and his cousin in a game of ice hockey. His cousin was older and had moved into the neighborhood from Rochester. The catch was this, we both had ice skates. They were sliding all over the ice falling on their asses like bambi. You know how rare it is to see a black hockey player? How about a black hockey player scuffling around on the ice with shoes and broom handles for sticks? We had official hockey sticks, aluminum style, taped up nicely. That was the only time we ever tasted victory.

Well, the talent gap was no larger in any sport than it was in basketball. This kid was stealing the ball from me on every possession. His older cousin had taught him how to slide beside a defender, reach around and tip the ball away. It drove me crazy. he was kicking my ass so badly. I tossed the ball aside. Walked up to him, kicked him in the knee, then in the side, then did a spinning back kick in his gut right in front of his older cousin who could have killed me. But I was so furious, and so frustrated, and so limited, I had to vent.

Of course this happened when I was 12 years old, not a decade later like Hairston.

Lol, pretty funny story. I think this debate should be settled by a one on one street hockey game between Hairston and Neal. Street hockey is the choice over ice hockey because if they played ice hockey there would be a fairly high chance that if Hairston lost someone would be getting stabbed with his ice skates.

edit: Lance is all-time goal keeper.

[JDR720]

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guessing its a salary dump, that team with Smith,Gay and Cousins lol

[NorrisColeWorld]

Norris Cole for Neal or Chris Douglas-Roberts do you guys say no?

[TheKingofSting]

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guessing its a salary dump, that team with Smith,Gay and Cousins lol

What a trainwreck!

[JDR720]

Norris Cole for Neal or Chris Douglas-Roberts do you guys say no?

CDR is a free agent, but i would trade Neal for Cole

[Elden Payton]

Norris Cole for Neal or Chris Douglas-Roberts do you guys say no?

CDR is a free agent, but i would trade Neal for Cole

X2.

Even better, we'll trade them Neal for Napier.

[ferk]

would cha want jon Leuer can play the 4/5 . Tolliver like skillset . slower footed and not as proven . had some pretty good games when he got mins .

how about a CDR s&t whats it take for that ?

[BlackOutBuzz]

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guessing its a salary dump, that team with Smith,Gay and Cousins lol

Bassman's offseason wishlist:
1. Noah Vonleh
2. Lance Stephenson
3. Jason Thompson

Could the stars be aligning AGAIN?

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