Towns or Okafor or Mudiay or Russel?

[Nazrmohamed]

Cousins is 24 years old. I think all positives associeated with him are like "holy crap hes this good that fast", while all the flaws are like " well the kids only 24"

Remindsme of Monroe where having early success hurts you because fans believe that you are already everything you can become. There are players who show nothing until 24 that show us alittle and we love them to death. Show plenty....without it translating into wins and we minimize you. Its just how it is somehow.

The way I would sell Cousins, and I think the biggest perception Id break is that hes here to help Melo win his title. And I know that sounds crazy but to me when you say that youre selling it like your window is short. Wrong. Dont sell it like that. I would. View Cousins as a star that for now. Will help Melo win and if that doesnt happen then so be it. But Melo will fade, get traded or retire a knick and even if thats 5 yrs from now youre talking about Cousins only then being 29, in his prime and would most liely have plenty of playoff experience under his belt.

Then perhaps youre looking for the next young star to pair with him, not about how he compliments Melo. And I love Melo but the world goes on. But in any case I cant really have conversations with people who constantly tell me making it to the second round of the playoffs are bad. Its not a title but the knicks are where they are be ause they and thier fans always have this championship or bust mentality. So scared to be a treadmill team that theyd rather be a lottery team.

This term treadmill team gets thrown around so much its crazy. And no, Im not saying its my desire to be that. Every team in the nba wants a title. Its why you play the game. But you cant name one target in NY unless you can garauntee that player is gonna win you a title. The Spurs add players every year. They dont look for saviors. They just try to build a team. Cousins would be part of a team. And sure youd still have work to do but teama are always working so...

[Bobbyydee]

Towns confidence is suspect did u all watch the Cincinnati game? I keep saying Stein is better Okafor any day of the week

[RHODEY]

Ik I 'm jumping ship over to the Russel Bandwagon (for now) , His passing skills/court vision are insane for a big guard.

[poeman]

Towns confidence is suspect did u all watch the Cincinnati game? I keep saying Stein is better Okafor any day of the week

Stein has game and moxie to be terrific in the NBA.

It's alot like Joakim Noah,he can be that good

[dakomish23]

Towns confidence is suspect did u all watch the Cincinnati game? I keep saying Stein is better Okafor any day of the week

Stein has game and moxie to be terrific in the NBA.

It's alot like Joakim Noah,he can be that good

Yup he's Noah without the chest bumping and midtown tunnel between his teeth

[dakomish23]

Russell's passing would be top 10 in the NBA today today

[prophet_of_rage]

Russell getting outplayed by TJ McConnell. Johnson invisible. This draft will take time to develop.

[DickGrayson]

Towns confidence is suspect did u all watch the Cincinnati game? I keep saying Stein is better Okafor any day of the week

One game. Towns got swag.

[DickGrayson]

Towns confidence is suspect did u all watch the Cincinnati game? I keep saying Stein is better Okafor any day of the week

One game. Towns got swag.

Russell getting outplayed by TJ McConnell. Johnson invisible. This draft will take time to develop.

One games. Russell got swag.

[Nazrmohamed]

Towns confidence is suspect did u all watch the Cincinnati game? I keep saying Stein is better Okafor any day of the week

I think you meant that Stein is better than Towns right? Well in any case I don't get it really, or why you'd say Towns confidence was suspect. His impact was huge. I watched him go to the bench and every time he sat Cincy would go on a run. His defense is ridiculously good, and then to compare him to Stein? I like Stein, and don't wanna use him to prop up my guy but he scored 11 with 2 boards and nothing else and people talk about Noah. Towns gets 8 and 7 with 3blks and all of a sudden he's got confidence issues. I mean the way every bodies comparing you'd assume Stein got 20&14.

But, for the record it was one game and I know Stein is better than what his stats showed. I just thought the comparison is crazy.

[captvict]

Towns over Stein any day....

[kane]

I watched towns in that Cincinnati game, at one point the dude had 3 blocks in a row his defense is legit and playing on a team like Kentucky with all those future NBA players is the only reason his PPG avg isn't higher

didn't get a chance to catch rus's game but i saw they lost and he only had 9 point 6 assists and only going 3-19.... id think a elite guard would try and take the game over

[Jeffrey]

Towns Towns Towns!!! We need the top 2 pick.

[prophet_of_rage]

Towns confidence is suspect did u all watch the Cincinnati game? I keep saying Stein is better Okafor any day of the week

One game. Towns got swag.

Russell getting outplayed by TJ McConnell. Johnson invisible. This draft will take time to develop.

One games. Russell got swag.

I got that swag. Doesn't mean I'm ready to play impact minutes in the league next year. Not saying he's not talented but he's not Iverson, Marbury or even Wall dominant. Suggests he'll take a season or two to dominate his opposite number.

[DickGrayson]

One game. Towns got swag.

Russell getting outplayed by TJ McConnell. Johnson invisible. This draft will take time to develop.

One games. Russell got swag.

I got that swag. Doesn't mean I'm ready to play impact minutes in the league next year. Not saying he's not talented but he's not Iverson, Marbury or even Wall dominant. Suggests he'll take a season or two to dominate his opposite number.

Haven't seen you played, so it's not confirmed swag.

What's the deal with rookies having to be impact players in their first season?

Butler, Grobert..even guys like T-Mac and Kobe weren't dominating their first season. They're called rookies for a reason. We'll see the best of Russell 5 years from now.

Russell is a SG anyway who can pass extremely well, ala Brandon Roy.


BTW, why would Russell stay another season? he already has top 3 stock. Ohio State got three 4 star recruits coming to their program but it's not likely they'll contend for a championship. SG's normally aren't drafted this high in drafts, so this a great Russell to get a nice rookie contract and possibly be drafted top 3 if he impresses in combines.

[kingquan316]

Russ is inconsistent based on what I've seen. He's good, but he has bad games a lot. Although this could be because of the teammates he plays with, and how he has to do mostly everything for them to win. I see the potential in him though, and I still would love to have him. His passing skills is already on point to me, and that is a great positive about him.

[prophet_of_rage]

One games. Russell got swag.

I got that swag. Doesn't mean I'm ready to play impact minutes in the league next year. Not saying he's not talented but he's not Iverson, Marbury or even Wall dominant. Suggests he'll take a season or two to dominate his opposite number.

Haven't seen you played, so it's not confirmed swag.

What's the deal with rookies having to be impact players in their first season?

Butler, Grobert..even guys like T-Mac and Kobe weren't dominating their first season. They're called rookies for a reason. We'll see the best of Russell 5 years from now.

Russell is a SG anyway who can pass extremely well, ala Brandon Roy.


BTW, why would Russell stay another season? he already has top 3 stock. Ohio State got three 4 star recruits coming to their program but it's not likely they'll contend for a championship. SG's normally aren't drafted this high in drafts, so this a great Russell to get a nice rookie contract and possibly be drafted top 3 if he impresses in combines.

We need an immediate impact player considering we don't have a pick next year.

I wasn't suggesting he stay in school, but it will take him a couple seasons to be dominant. By that point we'll be on year four of the Melo contract with a rookie just finishing their season.

[Sark]

That's the lamest excuse of all time. Who did Melo have all those years in Denver when he made the playoffs? Dirk has gone countless years with players not as good as Melo, and made the playoffs every single year. Who does Anthony Davis have, and he is contending for a playoff spot.

Sacramento hasn't never won even 30 games. 30 GAMES!!!! 30 GAMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! with Boogie Cousins.

He's a career loser. I have to question anyone's mental capacity that wants to bring that cancer to this team.

Who said Cousins has to be the main guy?

But to put an entire franchise's record on one player is beyond silly. There is so much that goes into a winning situation, that people who reduce it to just one player are impossibly illogical.

Cousins has had sh*t management, sh*t coaching, and sh*t teammates. Melo and AD definitely had advantages there.

He's also had his own maturity issues to contribute to that, but he's far and away the best 2-way big in basketball. To say otherwise has no standing right now.

Is Kevin Love now magically a winner because he's going into the playoffs on the 2nd best team in the East?

Also, I'm not advocating trading the pick for him, but to say we won't be a much improved team with him is wild.

I'm not saying we wouldn't be improved with Cousins. I mean a 20 win season next year will be an improvement. We just would never win a championship, and it would be just like the Isiah era all over again: high priced talent and constant losing.


A team's record does unfortunately fall on the shoulders of its best player. A basketball player has more impact on winning and losing than in any other sport. Do you think the Bulls would win even 1 ring if not for Jordan? I mean they've never won one before him, and haven't won one since. Those 6 rings are largely (but not entirely) attributed to him. With Kevin Love, I wouldn't say he's magically a winner, but I would say that Lebron (being the best player in the world) was able to carry him into the playoffs. When Lebron took his vacation this winter, Cleveland lost something like 9 of 10. Lebron comes back, and they start winning again. So yes, 1 player can have that type of impact.

I mean how many time on this very forum, did people blame Amar'e for all our losing?

[K_ick_God]

One day D'Angelo could work his way up to become a poor man's Shved

[DickGrayson]

I honestly don't see the rush in getting an immediate impact player. If we can get an all star 3-5 years from now from this draft...I believe we succeed. Let's plan for future success beyond Melo's prime. (Yea Melo's prime would be wasted, but thats how it is right now)