Jeff Green Traded to the Memphis Grizzlies (official woj tweet page 1)

[chakdaddy]

Don't be silly Chakdaddy... you are either being a Troll... or an idiot. Which is it? We didn't trade Rondo for Wright. Duh! We traded Rondo for numerous assets... ONE of which was Wright. And we did that because we KNEW we were going to flip Wright for whatever we could...

What assets? A low draft pick. A backup 3 in Crowder. And a useful big man in Wright. and of course Nelson. Wright seems like the biggest piece out of that haul. The rest is borderline useless.

[campybatman]

Austin's 22, pending free agent. Clips searching for PG depth. Front office/ assistants telling Doc: Forget his last name. This makes sense. Twitter @WojYahooNBA

[Andrew McCeltic]

Poster on Clips board says LA turned down Green for Barnes, Crawford, 1st.. I would've preferred that deal, but flipping Crawford might've been tough..

[JohnB]

hate to say this again....im sick of getting picks. Picks in the late 20s are fools gold and apparently Danny is the King.

Why don't you just stop saying it then?

[SMTBSI]

Salary. This is all about salary. Wright was a salary dump, we saved that salary for a guy we don't want. Rivers? We aren't dumping him and adding salary for 15-16 and if we can trade him for a Tuy cheaper, we will do it.

This. By dumping Wright for no returning salary, and hopefully spinning Rivers to the Clips for a little less salary, we're putting ourselves in a position to use the entire Rondo TPE this year, to take back salary and get assets in return, and then still clear that taken-back salary as early as possible.

The [Wright] TPE was probably part of it-

A bigger part than most realize. It's been mentioned many times before, but TPEs are the new expiring contracts. Went into some detail about their efficacy here. Danny's ahead of the game here - keeping a stable of moderately sized TPEs as often as possible allows you to engineer all kinds of trades that normally wouldn't be legal. They just let you explore trade options with a much wider variety of teams and a much wider variety of terms than you normally could.



Ainge is in straight 2k mode. Wheeling and dealing like it's fun. We're so many trades away from this all being done. Trades involving Bass/Thornton, etc. Trades involving the Rondo TPE. Trades next year making use of the Wright TPEs and whatever other TPEs he picks up along the way. Consolidation trades to use several of our picks to move up in drafts.

How do you put a value on a TPE? When you get a 12.9mil TPE from trading Rondo, what is that worth to you, when you can't even be sure what it will cascade into down the road? The Pierce TPE (an, at the time, apparently nice little throw-in from a trade with seemingly much larger consequences), netted us Zeller, a 1st, and Thornton. What if Thornton becomes part of a trade to take back longer term salary for assets? What if Zeller becomes a factor in a trade later to bring back someone we want? What if we draft a player with that CLE pick who becomes a keeper, or an asset in a later trade? It's going to take years to suss out just how much value that TPE actually had. What if we manage somehow to get a TPE for Thornton, and keep the cascade flowing?

Ainge is diversifying his portfolio. He's trying to keep some of his assets cascading from one to another indefinitely, so that even after we're back to being competitive, some of these pieces are still maturing and paying dividends. The process never stops, if you're doing your job right.


Edit: Anyway, I'm a little intoxicated right now, and that puts me into geek mode. Sometimes I feel weird when I think that I enjoy CBA convolutions and front office gamesmanship more than actual play...

[BakersDozen]

hate to say this again....im sick of getting picks. Picks in the late 20s are fools gold and apparently Danny is the King.

Why don't you just stop saying it then?

Because it needs to be repeated. Everyone here busts a nut when Ainge gets late first rounders.




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[Pacino62]

Whew...reading through this thread hurts my head. I'll just And1 everything JFS1000 and GreenMachine said...

[31to6]

by Monday I want this to be a 30-team trade. Get ALL the dominoes to fall, Danny!

[Shamrock]

If Ainge doesn't get pry away Gasol, Davis and Paul in this trade i'm going to have a meltdown... Worst GM EVER

[klemen4]

"This deal is a continuously changing thing," said the source. "More names could still be added to it before it’s over."

Boston Herald

Come one Danny...we need more picks

[grantlongforpresident]

I'm with you baker. There are diminishing marginal returns with additional late firsts/early 2nds.

Don't get me wrong, I get the plan. Liquidate veterans with value for picks in order to tank for a good pick and free up cap space. Then, trade/use picks to bring in top talent.

The fire sale is the easy part. Any GM in this league can trade away their best players for mediocre picks.

Btw, GreenMachine, you still have some of Ainge's splooge all over your face. Might want to wipe that off.

[Celts17Pride]

The point no one brings up is that Rondo, Wright and Jeff Green are all free agents at the end of the season. No team is going to give max value for a player that may leave in 4-5 months. Ainge made a decision that those players are not part of the future and is getting the most that he can given the market for those players. Ainge is talking to every team.

Sorry if the actual value for each player doesn't match the hypotical value the are in RealGM posters minds.

[chrisab123]

"This deal is a continuously changing thing," said the source. "More names could still be added to it before it’s over."

Boston Herald

Come one Danny...we need more picks

There are still 26 more teams that can get involved!!! Make it a league wide deal!

[Edug27]

The point no one brings up is that Rondo, Wright and Jeff Green are all free agents at the end of the season. No team is going to give max value for a player that may leave in 4-5 months. Ainge made a decision that those players are not part of the future and is getting the most that he can given the market for those players. Ainge is talking to every team.

Sorry if the actual value for each player doesn't match the hypotical value the are in RealGM posters minds.

Right but I think the debatable question is whether Danny made those decisions too late.

[Celts17Pride]

The point no one brings up is that Rondo, Wright and Jeff Green are all free agents at the end of the season. No team is going to give max value for a player that may leave in 4-5 months. Ainge made a decision that those players are not part of the future and is getting the most that he can given the market for those players. Ainge is talking to every team.

Sorry if the actual value for each player doesn't match the hypotical value the are in RealGM posters minds.

Right but I think the debatable question is whether Danny made those decisions too late.

That's the point people can argue about is the timing of the Rondo and Green deals.

By the way anyone notice that Rondo is 7 for 37 over the last 4 games in Dallas. People are already starting to turn on him. Going to be real interesting to see what kind of contract Rondo gets this off season. Kudos to Ainge for not overpaying to keep Rondo.

[Valid]

The point no one brings up is that Rondo, Wright and Jeff Green are all free agents at the end of the season. No team is going to give max value for a player that may leave in 4-5 months. Ainge made a decision that those players are not part of the future and is getting the most that he can given the market for those players. Ainge is talking to every team.

Sorry if the actual value for each player doesn't match the hypotical value the are in RealGM posters minds.

Right but I think the debatable question is whether Danny made those decisions too late.

Here is the thing, though: last season, ironically enough, the word was that Green was extremely difficult to trade because of his contract. Teams did not want to take on the $18 million guaranteed plus the player option.

Either way, we probably weren't getting much value for him.

As far as Rondo goes, he was coming off a torn ACL last season. We weren't going to get value for him then, either.

[Valid]

hate to say this again....im sick of getting picks. Picks in the late 20s are fools gold and apparently Danny is the King.

Why don't you just stop saying it then?

Because it needs to be repeated. Everyone here busts a nut when Ainge gets late first rounders.




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Well, that is what you are going to get (at best) when you trade mediocre players.

I really don't see what is so hard to understand about this.

[Banks2Pierce]

Right but I think the debatable question is whether Danny made those decisions too late.

I have a tough time conceding that that is debatable. It obviously got to a far stage in negotiation with Sacramento if Rondo was asked about playing in Sacramento and the PG market is unique. And I doubt Green's value has drastically trended downwards over the past 6 months or year.

[sully00]

hate to say this again....im sick of getting picks. Picks in the late 20s are fools gold and apparently Danny is the King.

Why don't you just stop saying it then?

Because it needs to be repeated. Everyone here busts a nut when Ainge gets late first rounders.




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But the draft picks have more collateral than selecting a player or what you can trade them for alone. It is the ability to package multiple picks and a trade exception that makes you able win a trade auction. Players value is always in flux and most teams I imagine overvalue their own players just like fans do. Future draft picks are the only thing that actually can equate talent in a transaction. Think about as Monopoly, nobody is going to give up Boardwalk for face value it goes to the person you can throw some railroads or utilities on top.

What Ainge can do is not just trade you multiple picks, those often come in the same draft or if not they are staggered every other year. He can offer multiple 1st round picks from different teams in consecutive years and not even dent his own supply.

The biggest instance of Ainge picks being undervalued or dismissed was with MINN. The reality is Flip is a bad GM and always has been. He is a good basketball guy and coach but he can't see beyond the year he is in. CLE was the team to make the deal with but the idea of making Young such a big part of the deal was foolish and if Wiggins doesn't live up to the hype then the deal is a disaster because he didn't get any long term assets. Young's game has deteriorated and he is going to opt out. In the trade they let Miami's top 10 protected first go to PHI and they are going to have a hard time getting something like that back for Young at the deadline.

We don't know that the future picks are low first round picks. The Mavs and Clippers are in 5th and 6th place respectively and they are 6 games from being out of the playoffs with OKC, NOP on the ouside right now. In '19 Z-Bo is going to be 37 and Gasol 34.

Having patience sucks and there is nothing easy or automatic about this but it is the way to go.

[165bows]

Seriously. It's not out of the realm of possibility that Memphis has zero of its current players on the roster by the time Jeff Green's pick is transferred.

All we know about it at the moment is the protections (once they are published) and that's it. Everything else is assumption that far away.