Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20

[Andrew McCeltic]

Agree we have a puncher’s chance at the finals, but only if someone else knocks out the Sixers.

[MagicBagley18]

Special teams win banners. This team can’t. That being said brown can’t be traded this year and with our salary construction it makes any real trade hard as we would have to lose a player of importance and quite frankly I don’t see anyone available this year that would jump us into the tier 1 team level.

Enjoy the ride, let Tatum turn into the star he is- Hope brown does or at least maintains this level of play and then next summer we trade him for someone who can elevate this team to a real contender. This team is a joy to watch and I love them but baring injuries to 3-4 teams above us we aren’t winning anything this year

[Andrew McCeltic]

Clippers rumored to have interest in Baynes, writer proposed a Zubac swap, but thinks Suns don’t want Zubac’s 4-year deal to be Ayton’s backup. Zubac I might have interest in if the Suns want different salaries

[MagicBagley18]

Clippers rumored to have interest in Baynes, writer proposed a Zubac swap, but thinks Suns don’t want Zubac’s 4-year deal to be Ayton’s backup. Zubac I might have interest in if the Suns want different salaries

For what tho? his defense sucks. If we r adding a big we want a physical presence to challenge ppl at the rim and add toughness in the paint. Zubac provides what exactly? scoring rebounds and no d ? We already have kanter

[Andrew McCeltic]

Poirier/Edwards to Phoenix apparently is all it takes to match salary for Zubac, with Baynes to LA..

[Andrew McCeltic]

Clippers rumored to have interest in Baynes, writer proposed a Zubac swap, but thinks Suns don’t want Zubac’s 4-year deal to be Ayton’s backup. Zubac I might have interest in if the Suns want different salaries

For what tho? his defense sucks. If we r adding a big we want a physical presence to challenge ppl at the rim and add toughness in the paint. Zubac provides what exactly? scoring rebounds and no d ? We already have kanter

Does it? He doesn’t turn 23 until March, and he’s had some good defensive stats to start the year. He’s big, wide, young, skilled, improving - it’s a sell low by the Clippers because Baynes is obviously the perfect piece for their title run - but two years from now?

[sam_I_am]

Well, team is 5-2 with everybody and 18-6 without. So the record is better when 1 doesn’t play.

Uhhhhh, thats really really close. You can’t really make any determinations from that

The 18-6 you can. I agree that with the 5-2 you cannot - could be a lot better once everybody is in a groove. Obviously, there is time to see what a fully healthy squad can do before deadline.

I actually think trading our 2 non-Memphis picks to get a quality veteran PF that is stouter like Semi but more wingy offensively. Someone to guard the guys like Simmons, Giannis, Siakam, or Horford that are a bit too much for Tatum/Brown/Hayward but who brings a more consistent veteran presence than Semi or Grant. Is there a PJ Tucker type that is available that fits that bill?

[MagicBagley18]

Clippers rumored to have interest in Baynes, writer proposed a Zubac swap, but thinks Suns don’t want Zubac’s 4-year deal to be Ayton’s backup. Zubac I might have interest in if the Suns want different salaries

For what tho? his defense sucks. If we r adding a big we want a physical presence to challenge ppl at the rim and add toughness in the paint. Zubac provides what exactly? scoring rebounds and no d ? We already have kanter

Does it? He doesn’t turn 23 until March, and he’s had some good defensive stats to start the year. He’s big, wide, young, skilled, improving - it’s a sell low by the Clippers because Baynes is obviously the perfect piece for their title run - but two years from now?

I’d rather try the buyout market

[Andrew McCeltic]

Sure - but Poirier/Wanamaker and the MIL 1st - even add the BOS - for Zubac would be a *steal*.

[MagicBagley18]

Sure - but Poirier/Wanamaker and the MIL 1st - even add the BOS - for Zubac would be a *steal*.

Would it really? Zubac makes 7 mil a year I think and we would be losing Edwards on a cost controlled deal for 4 years. While Edwards hasn’t been great and he may never be- there is a chance he turns into a really solid bench player for us and highly serviceable and we would be trading him away for Zubac who doesn’t even elevate the team into a real contender.

Just feels likes it’s making a deal to make a deal and doesn’t even improve the team like we need to and that’s not even talking about fit- Zubac is more like a traditional big man who doesn’t provide spacing or defense. Redundant with kanter.

[Homerclease]

I think we have a large enough sample size to know that the team really doesn’t miss a beat when either of Hayward, Brown or Smart is out. Two of those guys plus Wannamaker, Langford and Green is more than adequate to replace the loss of one of those 3 if they were traded. Brown can’t be traded. Smart and Hayward could easily be traded to make the team better and rebalance the roster if Ainge and Brad really believe it would bring a legit title shot. However, we are really good with all hands on deck so why mess with it now? There will be better deals to be had in the offseason.

I think they absolutely missed a beat without Hayward tbh. They still wound up winning some games ugly, but the offense is significantly better with Hayward on the floor

[Andrew McCeltic]

Sure - but Poirier/Wanamaker and the MIL 1st - even add the BOS - for Zubac would be a *steal*.

Would it really? Zubac makes 7 mil a year I think and we would be losing Edwards on a cost controlled deal for 4 years. While Edwards hasn’t been great and he may never be- there is a chance he turns into a really solid bench player for us and highly serviceable and we would be trading him away for Zubac who doesn’t even elevate the team into a real contender.

Just feels likes it’s making a deal to make a deal and doesn’t even improve the team like we need to and that’s not even talking about fit- Zubac is more like a traditional big man who doesn’t provide spacing or defense. Redundant with kanter.

Wanamaker, was the other scenario. Don’t know what the ultimate price would be. But think you’re underrating Zubac’s remaining upside - he’s five years younger than Kanter, he’s got a 7’4” wingspan, he’s developing on both sides of the ball, did everything the Clippers asked in losing weight and getting faster on his feet, and he’s had some fantastic defensive stints for them over the last year. He’s just a project that neither LA team has had the flexibility to wait on developmentally.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Also, if you’re turning Poirier’s 2.3 million and Wanamaker’s 1.4 into one player making 7 million, you’re not taking on a heavy salary commitment but you’re opening up new salary matching possibilities in July..

[reload141]

I think Dedmon is way under-utilized in Sac and I wouldn't be basing his stats this year as they are a terrible team (WHY COULDN'T THEY BE THIS TERRIBLE LAST YEAR) anyway, I know he's probably overpaid but I really like what he brought to Atlanta and think he could thrive in Boston....not sure Sac would take all three players so maybe involve a 3rd team?

Plus, it would give us even thinner depth unless we think Tacko can be that 3rd guy and we can sign someone from the buyout market after the trade deadline, so something like

Boston Out: Kanter, Poirier, Semi
Boston In: Dedmon

Sac In: Kanter, Poirier
Sac Out: Dedmon

Third Team In: Semi

But Poirier is so stylish and the team seems to love him..... UGHHHHH

[Darth Celtic]

Should probably look at trading the MIL or BOS pick - we can’t use two or three first-rounders in mid-June again.

I have a feeling we'll wait till the offseason. On draft day if we haven't already made a 2-1 or 3-1 trade, I feel we will probably (if we get griz pick this year) wait until our pick and sell off our first to some late team that fell in love with a slipper for a lotto protected future first. Even if we let one of Kanter/Theis go. Semi go, and wannamaker/green go, we still are most likely to add Waters and Fall to next years team and 5 draft picks next year (most likely ours, bucks, grizz firsts, and nets and our 2nds). The 2nds can be our new 2 ways if needed.

[Darth Celtic]

I think Dedmon is way under-utilized in Sac and I wouldn't be basing his stats this year as they are a terrible team (WHY COULDN'T THEY BE THIS TERRIBLE LAST YEAR) anyway, I know he's probably overpaid but I really like what he brought to Atlanta and think he could thrive in Boston....not sure Sac would take all three players so maybe involve a 3rd team?

Plus, it would give us even thinner depth unless we think Tacko can be that 3rd guy and we can sign someone from the buyout market after the trade deadline, so something like

Boston Out: Kanter, Poirier, Semi
Boston In: Dedmon

Sac In: Kanter, Poirier
Sac Out: Dedmon

Third Team In: Semi

But Poirier is so stylish and the team seems to love him..... UGHHHHH

I"m a no go on trading Kanter. He's too much beef, and that's something we don't have. He for sure makes that 2nd unit hard as Smart and company can just jack up 3's and he can rebound.

[reload141]

I think Dedmon is way under-utilized in Sac and I wouldn't be basing his stats this year as they are a terrible team (WHY COULDN'T THEY BE THIS TERRIBLE LAST YEAR) anyway, I know he's probably overpaid but I really like what he brought to Atlanta and think he could thrive in Boston....not sure Sac would take all three players so maybe involve a 3rd team?

Plus, it would give us even thinner depth unless we think Tacko can be that 3rd guy and we can sign someone from the buyout market after the trade deadline, so something like

Boston Out: Kanter, Poirier, Semi
Boston In: Dedmon

Sac In: Kanter, Poirier
Sac Out: Dedmon

Third Team In: Semi

But Poirier is so stylish and the team seems to love him..... UGHHHHH

I"m a no go on trading Kanter. He's too much beef, and that's something we don't have. He for sure makes that 2nd unit hard as Smart and company can just jack up 3's and he can rebound.

Yeah, I've always rated Kanter as a great backup for here... Just more worried about Theis's body holding up.... so 50/50 on trading, hopefully some big shakes loose come trade deadline/buyout market

[Darth Celtic]

I think Dedmon is way under-utilized in Sac and I wouldn't be basing his stats this year as they are a terrible team (WHY COULDN'T THEY BE THIS TERRIBLE LAST YEAR) anyway, I know he's probably overpaid but I really like what he brought to Atlanta and think he could thrive in Boston....not sure Sac would take all three players so maybe involve a 3rd team?

Plus, it would give us even thinner depth unless we think Tacko can be that 3rd guy and we can sign someone from the buyout market after the trade deadline, so something like

Boston Out: Kanter, Poirier, Semi
Boston In: Dedmon

Sac In: Kanter, Poirier
Sac Out: Dedmon

Third Team In: Semi

But Poirier is so stylish and the team seems to love him..... UGHHHHH

I"m a no go on trading Kanter. He's too much beef, and that's something we don't have. He for sure makes that 2nd unit hard as Smart and company can just jack up 3's and he can rebound.

Yeah, I've always rated Kanter as a great backup for here... Just more worried about Theis's body holding up.... so 50/50 on trading, hopefully some big shakes loose come trade deadline/buyout market

I'd happily drop Green for any warm body over 6'9" and 220lbs after the trade deadline. Just in case Timelord is still a casio (broken). We need a 3rd big.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Is there a path to Dedmon where we trade Kanter for a higher-salaried player in a 1:1 swap and then trade that salary for Dedmon? I’d think hard about that, except that Kanter is playing well and growing defensively and Dedmon is playing badly. He’s also not nearly the rebounder Kanter is - but in theory, he’d be our best rim protector and have the ability to stretch the floor.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Good write-up here on Towns and the Wolves’ defense:

https://zonecoverage.com/2020/timberwolves/with-karl-anthony-towns-sidelined-the-timberwolves-defense-is-thriving/amp/