Giannis Thread - 2 Time MVP - The Contract discussions

[mke_design]

Any chance the Bucks' weird, cryptic, probably new uniform videos will coincide with Giannis returning and signing his supermax while debuting the new threads?

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If reality was what happened in my dreams then yes. otherwise - nah.

[blazza18]

"Failed us as a superstar"...
did we have some sort of agreement with Giannis that he's gonna be a superstar?

Certainly a new defence of Giannis' failures...

[DanoMac]

No way Giannis joins LeBron, I don’t think he likes him at all. If he leaves it’ll probably be Dallas or Miami, maybe Toronto but that seems less likely every day.

I think the Toronto option was gone as soon as Giannis' girl became pregnant.

Just my opinion but the most likely destination if he leaves is still the Warriors. I don't see him going to the Celtics or Heat, which are two of the Bucks biggest rivals. LA already has 2 superstars and Giannis said he doesn't like superteams and doesn't want to go to LA. Also don't think he likes Lebron (although he tries to be nice in the media).

Dallas is a possibility but I don't think he would want to be 2nd fiddle to someone else, especially not someone 4 years younger than him.

Seems like he really doesn't want to leave but isn't sure about if he will win a championship if he stays. It's **** tragic that we haven't been able to get him a legit 2nd star and better shooters until maybe now, we'll see how the new roster does.

I agree with so much of your post, but, for the last point. I think, as a small market, we’ve done pretty well surrounding Giannis with talent. He’s only been a “superstar” for like 4 years now, it’s not like LeBron where we had a ton of time to put this crazy talent around him. He blossomed late

[Chad34]

No way Giannis joins LeBron, I don’t think he likes him at all. If he leaves it’ll probably be Dallas or Miami, maybe Toronto but that seems less likely every day.

I think the Toronto option was gone as soon as Giannis' girl became pregnant.

Just my opinion but the most likely destination if he leaves is still the Warriors. I don't see him going to the Celtics or Heat, which are two of the Bucks biggest rivals. LA already has 2 superstars and Giannis said he doesn't like superteams and doesn't want to go to LA. Also don't think he likes Lebron (although he tries to be nice in the media).

Dallas is a possibility but I don't think he would want to be 2nd fiddle to someone else, especially not someone 4 years younger than him.

Seems like he really doesn't want to leave but isn't sure about if he will win a championship if he stays. It's **** tragic that we haven't been able to get him a legit 2nd star and better shooters until maybe now, we'll see how the new roster does.

I agree with so much of your post, but, for the last point. I think, as a small market, we’ve done pretty well surrounding Giannis with talent. He’s only been a “superstar” for like 4 years now, it’s not like LeBron where we had a ton of time to put this crazy talent around him. He blossomed late

lebrat didn't win his first until he was 28, same with mj

[Pachinko_]

"Failed us as a superstar"...
did we have some sort of agreement with Giannis that he's gonna be a superstar?

Certainly a new defence of Giannis' failures...

new to you maybe
I always thought if I'm gonna have entitled expectations from someone he has to at least agree, otherwise he has every right to tell me to roll up my expectations and shove them

[DavidDunn21]

Any chance the Bucks' weird, cryptic, probably new uniform videos will coincide with Giannis returning and signing his supermax while debuting the new threads?

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This seemed obvious from the start. No telling if he's changed his mind, I suppose, but the Bucks were planning on having the best week ever and Lasry couldn't keep it to himself.

[Lippo]

If Giannis leaves, it will be because the Bucks repeatedly made like decisions consistently while Giannis continued to ascend. The Bucks have made some quality moves but they've made plenty of questionable ones in his tenure.

With so much talk surrounding players legacies being tied completely to winning championships, it's hard to fault guys for leaving situations that they don't believe they can win.

I'll be very upset if he leaves but my anger won't be directed at Giannis.

And that’s why Jordan is the GOAT, brought 6 ships to a dumpster team that drafted him... hear that Lebrun, you tainted anything you accomplish by tampering and playing GM...

[th87]

Small market teams should form a secret consortium to deal only with each other first, and then large market teams as a last resort.

Getting the best return from a large market team (if not by much) will make it much harder for the trading team to eventually beat them than if they traded for a similar return to a small market team.

[GBBucks]

Any chance the Bucks' weird, cryptic, probably new uniform videos will coincide with Giannis returning and signing his supermax while debuting the new threads?

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If reality was what happened in my dreams then yes. otherwise - nah.

“I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, or Giannis isn’t signing a Supermax , I just don't care.”

[emunney]

I think the Toronto option was gone as soon as Giannis' girl became pregnant.

Just my opinion but the most likely destination if he leaves is still the Warriors. I don't see him going to the Celtics or Heat, which are two of the Bucks biggest rivals. LA already has 2 superstars and Giannis said he doesn't like superteams and doesn't want to go to LA. Also don't think he likes Lebron (although he tries to be nice in the media).

Dallas is a possibility but I don't think he would want to be 2nd fiddle to someone else, especially not someone 4 years younger than him.

Seems like he really doesn't want to leave but isn't sure about if he will win a championship if he stays. It's **** tragic that we haven't been able to get him a legit 2nd star and better shooters until maybe now, we'll see how the new roster does.

I agree with so much of your post, but, for the last point. I think, as a small market, we’ve done pretty well surrounding Giannis with talent. He’s only been a “superstar” for like 4 years now, it’s not like LeBron where we had a ton of time to put this crazy talent around him. He blossomed late

lebrat didn't win his first until he was 28, same with mj

Every great player who wasn't born onto a championship calibre team with the Lakers or Celtics had to cut their own path to get there.

[emunney]

That short post fadeaway was looking so good before the shutdown. Never reappeared in the bubble. Thought that was the secret weapon. Guess it's still a secret, and maybe not a weapon. But it's something I'll be watching for.

[Prez]

If Giannis leaves, it will be because the Bucks repeatedly made like decisions consistently while Giannis continued to ascend. The Bucks have made some quality moves but they've made plenty of questionable ones in his tenure.

With so much talk surrounding players legacies being tied completely to winning championships, it's hard to fault guys for leaving situations that they don't believe they can win.

I'll be very upset if he leaves but my anger won't be directed at Giannis.

And that’s why Jordan is the GOAT, brought 6 ships to a dumpster team that drafted him... hear that Lebrun, you tainted anything you accomplish by tampering and playing GM...

Truly inspired by Jordan’s willingness to stay and win with a top 50 player all time and arguably the GOAT coach.

[justindar123]

That short post fadeaway was looking so good before the shutdown. Never reappeared in the bubble. Thought that was the secret weapon. Guess it's still a secret, and maybe not a weapon. But it's something I'll be watching for.

I have been waiting for that to return as well. Just disappeared. Was all drive down the lane and put up a low percentage shot

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[DavidDunn21]

If Giannis leaves, it will be because the Bucks repeatedly made like decisions consistently while Giannis continued to ascend. The Bucks have made some quality moves but they've made plenty of questionable ones in his tenure.

With so much talk surrounding players legacies being tied completely to winning championships, it's hard to fault guys for leaving situations that they don't believe they can win.

I'll be very upset if he leaves but my anger won't be directed at Giannis.

And that’s why Jordan is the GOAT, brought 6 ships to a dumpster team that drafted him... hear that Lebrun, you tainted anything you accomplish by tampering and playing GM...

Truly inspired by Jordan’s willingness to stay and win with a top 50 player all time and arguably the GOAT coach.

You mean the hippie coach of the Albany Patroons and the mentally weak country boy from Central Arkansas?

That's who they were before Mike. We can only hope Giannis stays as loyal as Jordan was

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[RRyder823]

The whole Championships=Legacy argument is dumb and only applies to maybe 4 players in the history of the league (Lebron/Jordan Wilt/Russell)

I'll argue not a single other player on an all time rankings list moves up or down based on the number of championships they won.

Who's arguing Duncan is better then Hakeem based on him winning more titles?

Do Barkley, Stockton, or Malone move up the list if they had managed to win one?

Who thinks Durant is moved up the list once he won one?

KG was allready considered great before Boston won

The closest you could argue would be Dirk moving up the list when he won one for Dallas but I mean did he really move over anyone?

Hell if you wanna cross sports anyone wanna argue Otto Graham is the best QB ever?

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[FrieAaron]

The closest you could argue would be Dirk moving up the list when he won one for Dallas but I mean did he really move over anyone?

And I think with Dirk if it did move him up the list it's specifically because he did it as the lone superstar on his team (unless you count an old Jason Kidd).

[Pachinko_]

The whole Championships=Legacy argument is dumb and only applies to maybe 4 players in the history of the league (Lebron/Jordan Wilt/Russell)

Not a single person whose opinion matters measures players like that. If they did nobody would offer anything for AD when he became available from NOLA, or for Giannis now. And yet teams offer everything they have for those title-less players.

[DutchManDanFan]

Giannis doesn’t have much choise if he wants to win a Championship but doesn’t want to join a super team and/or play the 2nd fiddle.
If he leaves his words didn’t mean much. I think he’s honest and stays. If not, good luck to him. We had a great time during his Bucks years. The memories will be great, with or without a title. A title is great for the moment, but after that it’s all about the memory.

[TroyD92]

"Failed us as a superstar"...
did we have some sort of agreement with Giannis that he's gonna be a superstar?

Certainly a new defence of Giannis' failures...

new to you maybe
I always thought if I'm gonna have entitled expectations from someone he has to at least agree, otherwise he has every right to tell me to roll up my expectations and shove them

Giannis accepted those expectations when he signed his contract. What a weird argument to make. Entitled in what way? The guy who's paid like the best player in the world shouldn't be expected to be the best player in the world?

[fansinceforever]

Certainly a new defence of Giannis' failures...

new to you maybe
I always thought if I'm gonna have entitled expectations from someone he has to at least agree, otherwise he has every right to tell me to roll up my expectations and shove them

Giannis accepted those expectations when he signed his contract. What a weird argument to make. Entitled in what way? The guy who's paid like the best player in the world shouldn't be expected to be the best player in the world?

Giannis is currently on a 4/100 contract. He has not signed the super max. Giannis is completely eclipsing anyone making the money he's making.

Giannis has accepted the role of superstar and needs to improve. But this idea that our playoff failures begin and end with him is just not the case. I'm willing to compare Giannis's rosters with that of any other superstar recently who's made the finals and I bet we'll conclude that their team's were better. Save for LeBron and well he's LeBron James.