2019-2020 College/Draft thread 13: One week to go

[3toheadmelo]

The upside:

- He's my second favorite player in the league
- Team will play hard with him, RJ and Thibs at the helm

The list of downsides:

- Makes us competitive but not enough to make the playoffs (or barely) and just enough to take us out of the top 10
- Hurts our draft position in a loaded draft or two and prevents us from possibly drafting a generational talent
- Stunts the development of RJ by dominating the ball
- Stunts the development of RJ and Mitch by not spacing the floor
- Kills our cap flexibility (not that it matters so much to me)
- 32 with declining athleticism about to fall off a cliff
- Major attitude problems that could poison the locker room as his game declines

Love Brodie but he's really the worst-case scenario, which is precisely why it will happen.

[Fat]

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What is there not to like?

-Looks to slow trying to create and settles for trying to bully smaller defenders

-No midrange pull up game

Other than that he’s not bad I think he would do better on a competitive winning team than the Knicks.

[DaGawd]

Every morning I check this page and while it’s loading I think, “is today the day the Knicks trade for Russ?”

Any math majors out there? Do I have this equation correct?

Russ = (Marbury x Melo) / (Francis + Penny) +/- (the square root of D. Rose)

Can’t happen until Monday or Tuesday the earliest

[Deeeez Knicks]

A deal like that would be absolutely HORRENDOUS. FIre everyone if that happens.

Only way I would even think about Westbrook would be is if we get a ton of picks back, and even then not even sure.

what it would mean is complete incompetency and a complete short sighted approach and I would lose all faith in our upper management to ever make a sound decision ever again before they even started. Westbrook might be the worst contract in the game and the satisfication to add a few more wins this year while losing Randle is so short sighted when you would have Westbrook under contract for 2 more years after this one with basically no way to trade him.

So we will be stuck with 35 year old russel westbrook at one point making nearly $50 MM in his last year! the guy makes over 40% of the cap not even being an all-star caliber player...JOKE!

Yea, horrible in every way. I am pretty sure they just throw these rumors out just to torture us

[Zenzibar]

a run? what is that taking them to game 6 in the first round at the cost of our capspace for the next 3 years and the Dallas picks in a loaded draft while also killing our own picks. This move would be completely shortsighted .

If the picks are protected top ten, his expiring will be in line with the most loaded free agent class perhaps in NBA history! You hear me? Better than perhaps 2021.
One of the most loaded!
Check this out my Dude.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/2023/


James Harden HOU SG 34 13 UFA $42,782,880
John Wall WAS PG 33 13 UFA $42,782,880
Russell Westbrook HOU PG 34 15 UFA $41,358,814
Kevin Durant BKN SF 35 16 UFA $41,063,925
Bradley Beal WAS SG 30 11 UFA $35,882,215
Khris Middleton MIL SF 32 8 PO $35,500,000
Jimmy Butler MIA SG 34 12 UFA $35,197,650
Kyrie Irving BKN PG 31 12 UFA $34,122,650
Kristaps Porzingis DAL PF 28 4 PO $31,650,600
Kevin Love CLE C 35 15 UFA $30,100,543
Andrew Wiggins GSW SF 28 9 UFA $29,542,010
Joel Embiid PHI C 29 9 UFA $29,542,010
Nikola Jokic DEN C 28 8 UFA $29,542,010
D'Angelo Russell MIN PG 27 8 UFA $29,331,375
Al Horford PHI C 37 16 UFA $27,250,000
Nikola Vucevic ORL C 32 12 UFA $25,000,000
Draymond Green GSW PF 33 8 PO $24,916,591
Malcolm Brogdon IND PG 30 7 UFA $21,250,000
Harrison Barnes SAC SF 31 11 UFA $21,250,000
Myles Turner IND C 27 8 UFA $20,000,000
Bojan Bogdanovic UTH SF 34 9 UFA $18,275,000
Clint Capela ATL C 29 9 UFA $18,000,000
Zion Williamson NOP PF 23 4 RFA $10,001,460
DeAndre Jordan BKN C 35 15 UFA $9,990,179
Ja Morant MEM PG 24 4 RFA $8,948,520
R.J. Barrett NYK SF 23 4 RFA $8,035,860
Seth Curry DAL SG 33 10 UFA $8,000,000
De'Andre Hunter ATL SF 25 4 RFA $7,245,180
Ivica Zubac LAC C 26 7 UFA $7,000,000
Darius Garland CLE PG 23 4 RFA $6,560,820
Jarrett Culver MIN SF 24 4 RFA $5,958,960
Coby White CHI PG 23 4 RFA $5,439,900
Jaxson Hayes NOP C 23 4 RFA $4,983,600
Rui Hachimura WAS PF 25 4 RFA $4,581,000
Cam Reddish ATL SF 24 4 RFA $4,351,860
Cameron Johnson PHX SF 27 4 RFA $4,134,300
PJ Washington CHA PF 25 4 RFA $3,927,720
Tyler Herro

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Russ
Frank
Mitch
RJ
Obi
Will get you to perhaps the ECF with Thibs at the helm.

cool, cool - so we can replace a washed Brodie for a washed Gang Sign in 2023 to keep with tradition. You've convinced me.

My Dude, I'm not trying to convince anyone. Just saying that we're keeping our young core, adding another young piece, protecting our future picks and trading Randle whom most here bytch about anyway. Let's not get all fked up about this.
As far as 2023, it's not just the UFA that can put us in the Finals, (I know, some of you knuckleheads can't even imagine that scenario) but it frees up almost $47 million to go after some other players to add to our playoff seasoned core.

Yall need to stop with this fkn drama and think about making the Finals in our lifetime.

[YungKnicks]

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I like Perry at 38. wouldn't hurt to get a big that can shoot. According to Mike Schmitz after watching Perry workout pre-draft, said he had the agility to defend the perimeter, so he could play both the 4 and 5

Big fan of those boys from Mississippi State. Perry has moments where he looks like a homeless version of Bam, which at the 38 spot I think is great value. Tore it up for the USA team with Cade Cunningham, Haliburton, etc. He's a grown man out there and his jumper is improving. His defense isn't the best though, but something he will have to work on (from what I have seen).

Woodard is someone I really like. Another grown man out there who shot it well from 3 and could probably play 3/4 at the next level. Hard nosed defender and a guy I could see steadily improving at the next level.

I just so happened to draft both in BAF

I agree im a big fan of both... Perry ball handling and passing is an elite talent for a big men. He's only 20yrs, will get so much better. Love Woodard also... I want Bane or Woodard at #27 for us. Woodard a 3-D multi-position player, great defensive potential, hard worker... could develop into a tough inside out forward ala Paul Millsap.. 6'7 230 strong 7'2 wingspan! He ain't no Knox!

[YungKnicks]

Watch on YouTube

What is there not to like?

-Looks to slow trying to create and settles for trying to bully smaller defenders

-No midrange pull up game

Other than that he’s not bad I think he would do better on a competitive winning team than the Knicks.

but did you see the jump shot, 3 game? 45% on 2.5 3's per game. He knows how to get to his spots, cut to the basket and curl off screens. He's not an ISO right now but the potential is there. He has a little float game. Way more potential than Knox!

There's no complete player in basketball.. besides AD, Kawhi and Lebron.. every player has flaws it's how you play a player towards their strengths that matters. Bey will be a great 3-D compliment to RJ ISO game.

[3toheadmelo]

Starting to think trading down for Jaden McDaniels and Tyrell Terry would be our best option. And then take Tyler Bey with our Clippers pick. Payton Pritchard/Karim Mane in the second round.

[Chanel Bomber]

Steph behind-the-back pass, I let KD take all my **** and keep a smile while I watch it unfold Curry is still numero uno.

You know who completes the podium. Name starts and ends with the same letter.

Fred van Felton

That doesn't make any sense. Focus, please.

[YungKnicks]

Warriors are broke and need cheap role players, that's all. It's why a guy like Marquese Chriss got a contract from them.

If Warriors want Mitchell and Frank it's probably because they want to dump Kevon Looney's contract and pick up some extra bench pieces to compliment their dynamic scorers. We don't have dynamic scorers or anything close to what the Warriors have in terms of a foundation in place.

THis right here.

If the Warriors are intent on moving down and drafting say a Vassell, it's more because the ownership is going to bleed money this coming season due to Covid. The Looney and Wiggins contracts are an albatros on their cap and will prevent them from going after a 3 star.

Therefore, it wouldn't be a surprise to see a Knox or DSJ, 8 and a protected future #1 going to the Warriors for #2 and either Looney or Wiggins back.

My only question would be, the Hawks have a ton of talented young wings to trade, but who would they want to draft in the top 5 as to absorb either huge contract? The Pistons have cap to absorb but they don't have any pieces for a package.

Sooo glad the Knicks re-vamped their front office with the likes of Brock Aller.

https://www.thestrick.land/strick/measured-objective-portrait-knicks-vp-strategy-brock-aller
In Part 2 of the series: Brock “The Diabolical Genius” Aller.

(Check out Part 1, featuring Walt “The Collector” Perrin, if you haven’t already!)

I don’t know about you, but I wouldn’t describe anyone in my contacts as a diabolical genius. I wouldn’t describe any of them as a bog-standard run of the mill genius. I wouldn’t describe any of them as in any way diabolical, either. And from this I can conclude that being both diabolical and a genius — being a diabolical genius — is pretty damn rare. Like “spotting a snow leopard sunbathing in your local park” levels of rarity. A devilish snow leopard. Listening to an advanced conversational Spanish podcast. Casually pawing at a Rubik’s cube.

And so it’s understandable, really, that Knicks kingpin Leon Rose’s first act as President of Basketball Operations was to hire Brock Aller away from the Cleveland Cavaliers’ front office. Former Cavs GM David Griffin described Aller as “a diabolical genius from a cap standpoint,” which may be the best off-the-cuff description of anyone, ever.

He also has a suspiciously fiction-friendly name: Brock Aller. Special Agent Brock Aller. The Asset you send in to take out The Asset.

“Send in The Asset. “

“Which one?”

“Send the genius.”

“The boring genius?”

“No, the diabolical one.”

“…the Diabolical Genius?”

“…yes.”

The room is filled with a heavy silence. Everyone involved lets between one and two thimbles of excited wee escape.

Meet the new VP of Basketball and Strategic Planning for your New York Knicks: Special Agent Brock Aller, AKA The Diabolical Genius, AKA The Meta Asset. Excuse the hyperbole — it’s just that, strategy has not been a strong point for the Knicks in recent years. The franchise’s team building strategy has been to scream its location as loudly as possible, over and over and over again, whilst furiously flaunting fistfuls of cash at literally everyone. .....

This is why I think Knicks are going to make some major moves... they didn't bring all these guys here just to draft rookies and not attempt to win... im sure that front office payroll is high.

I really believe they are going to pick up atleast two major players while focus on still developing RJ, Mitch etc.. while they try to win games... plenty of "winning" teams have done it before.

[TruthBeTold]

Just started watching some draft prospect tapes. I wish I had Knicks level access to tapes of full games. Anyway, I've concluded that the Knicks should NOT trade up in this particular draft or even move down. The Knick's new head coach's name is Tom Thibodeau, so you can expect defense to play an important role in who the Knicks draft.

Draft picks I believe are high on the Knicks draft board for the 8th spot.

Killian Hayes (Knicks might be trying to make past draft correction with this pick)
Tyrese Haliburton
Kira Lewis
Devin Vassell

Is this my subconscious ranking for players I believe the Knicks are considering at the 8th spot?

I don't know, I have to watch the tapes.

[knickstape21]

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What is there not to like?

-Looks to slow trying to create and settles for trying to bully smaller defenders

-No midrange pull up game

Other than that he’s not bad I think he would do better on a competitive winning team than the Knicks.

but did you see the jump shot, 3 game? 45% on 2.5 3's per game. He knows how to get to his spots, cut to the basket and curl off screens. He's not an ISO right now but the potential is there. He has a little float game. Way more potential than Knox!

There's no complete player in basketball.. besides AD, Kawhi and Lebron.. every player has flaws it's how you play a player towards their strengths that matters. Bey will be a great 3-D compliment to RJ ISO game.

I actually love the “he settles” part.

Saddiq does a great job of re-posting when he is cut off on a drive. There’s so many players that drive and force a wild shot. To me, “he settles” means he’s in control and I absolutely love that.

[Chanel Bomber]

[SelbyCobra]

Fred VanFelton??



I tried to stay silent, but I can't do it anymore. I will not stand for the Fred VanVleet libel in this thread. The man is 26, can play on and off the ball, a good shooter, plays defense, championship experience, won't hurt the development of youth, and is basically Starks with his underdog, hard working storyline. Best of all, $20M per is nothing in this day and age. With no cornerstone, franchise players available, he's almost the perfect FA signing for a team like the Knicks - he'll fit now, and his age, skills, and mentality mean he'll fit as they grow, too.

[YungKnicks]

-Looks to slow trying to create and settles for trying to bully smaller defenders

-No midrange pull up game

Other than that he’s not bad I think he would do better on a competitive winning team than the Knicks.

but did you see the jump shot, 3 game? 45% on 2.5 3's per game. He knows how to get to his spots, cut to the basket and curl off screens. He's not an ISO right now but the potential is there. He has a little float game. Way more potential than Knox!

There's no complete player in basketball.. besides AD, Kawhi and Lebron.. every player has flaws it's how you play a player towards their strengths that matters. Bey will be a great 3-D compliment to RJ ISO game.

I actually love the “he settles” part.

Saddiq does a great job of re-posting when he is cut off on a drive. There’s so many players that drive and force a wild shot. To me, “he settles” means he’s in control and I absolutely love that.

Yup and what you see is correct... proving in the stats. He played 34 mins per game.. avg. A super low 1.5 TO per game as the main offensive focal point. High BBall IQ player

Most of these Realgm "Scouts" will never see that watching highlight videos....

[Knicksfan1992]

The Knicks should not be surrendering any draft capital in a Westbrook trade. Like Macri said, if i'm Rose i'm saying here's Randle this is your "get out of jail free card" I want an unprotected back and possibly one of the swapped Thunder picks for clearing your cap next year. IF YOU"RE NOT GETTING SOMETHING FOR TAKING ON WESTBROOK YOU DON"T DO THE DEAL PERIOD.

[Chanel Bomber]

Fred VanFelton??



I tried to stay silent, but I can't do it anymore. I will not stand for the Fred VanVleet libel in this thread. The man is 26, can play on and off the ball, a good shooter, plays defense, championship experience, won't hurt the development of youth, and is basically Starks with his underdog, hard working storyline. Best of all, $20M per is nothing in this day and age. With no cornerstone, franchise players available, he's almost the perfect FA signing for a team like the Knicks - he'll fit now, and his age, skills, and mentality mean he'll fit as they grow, too.

[DaGawd]

Fred VanFelton??



I tried to stay silent, but I can't do it anymore. I will not stand for the Fred VanVleet libel in this thread. The man is 26, can play on and off the ball, a good shooter, plays defense, championship experience, won't hurt the development of youth, and is basically Starks with his underdog, hard working storyline. Best of all, $20M per is nothing in this day and age. With no cornerstone, franchise players available, he's almost the perfect FA signing for a team like the Knicks - he'll fit now, and his age, skills, and mentality mean he'll fit as they grow, too.

I was with bringing him in even on max (although I was iffy on the max) until I saw the Denis Schroeder option.. I’d much rather hope that’s an actual trade being discussed right now

[knickstape21]

but did you see the jump shot, 3 game? 45% on 2.5 3's per game. He knows how to get to his spots, cut to the basket and curl off screens. He's not an ISO right now but the potential is there. He has a little float game. Way more potential than Knox!

There's no complete player in basketball.. besides AD, Kawhi and Lebron.. every player has flaws it's how you play a player towards their strengths that matters. Bey will be a great 3-D compliment to RJ ISO game.

I actually love the “he settles” part.

Saddiq does a great job of re-posting when he is cut off on a drive. There’s so many players that drive and force a wild shot. To me, “he settles” means he’s in control and I absolutely love that.

Yup and what you see is correct... proving in the stats. He played 34 mins per game.. avg. A super low 1.5 TO per game as the main offensive focal point. High BBall IQ player

Most of these Realgm "Scouts" will never see that watching highlight videos....

Jay Wright genuinely raves about Saddiq’s progress as a player and leader of the program from freshman to sophomore year. Says he can still get “so much better.”

Day 1 starter material.

[KnicksGadfly]

Fred VanFelton??



I tried to stay silent, but I can't do it anymore. I will not stand for the Fred VanVleet libel in this thread. The man is 26, can play on and off the ball, a good shooter, plays defense, championship experience, won't hurt the development of youth, and is basically Starks with his underdog, hard working storyline. Best of all, $20M per is nothing in this day and age. With no cornerstone, franchise players available, he's almost the perfect FA signing for a team like the Knicks - he'll fit now, and his age, skills, and mentality mean he'll fit as they grow, too.

I was with bringing him in even on max (although I was iffy on the max) until I saw the Denis Schroeder option.. I’d much rather hope that’s an actual trade being discussed right now

Max is nuts. We need enough to cause Toronto pain, but not enough to hurt us badly, and maybe enough to force Detroit to overpay. Low 20ish, I think.