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[mediocrityrules]

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[skones]

Where are you getting the idea that Zubac is some defensive dynamo? He's simply not, in any way. He's neither switchable nor a massive rim protector.

Also, what financial flexibility does he give us? We're over the cap forever either way.

Funny you should ask, because I've got evidence here whereas you just state things like "nor a massive rim protector" without anything to actually support your case. He was elite last season, and saying otherwise is just comically misinformed.

13th in the league in DRAPM
+3.5 DEF RAPTOR
2.79 D-LEBRON
Making his defense 3.3 PP100 better last regular season and over 10 PP100 better in the playoffs.
2.4 DRPM grading out at 10th for his position last season
-17.8 DIFF% inside 6 feet last season
-15.6 DIFF% inside 10 feet last season

Here's a breakdown

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These numbers are BECAUSE of the rim protection he provided. You seriously don't see the value of a young starting 5 getting paid 7.5M each of the next two seasons to a team that's tapped out? You don't think that allows you to squeeze money elsewhere into your roster?

[skones]

He hasn't attempted a single 18 footer this year and attempted 5 last year. Like it's highly projectable that Zubac will develope a reasonable 3 pointer over his career but it's rather improbable that he'll develope one over his current contract and nearly impossible this season. Only way I'd entertain a deal for Zubac is if the value is overwhelmingly in our favor (which this deal may be, though I'm way lower on Lou than most).

We watched Robin Lopez can the corner three out of nowhere at 33.3% last season and we think it's outlandish that Zubac could do the same in the next two and a half years? C'mon. You don't believe that.

[midranger]

For his career (7th year currently), he’s:

42.5% 10-16 feet
50% 16-3pt
77% FT

Obviously low volume for all because he’s so effective at the rim, but making midrange shots shouldn’t be anyone’s concern with zubac

[AussieBuck]

Zubac is an excellent defender and overall player

[WRau1]

Middleton + Forbes for Porter Jr + Barton + Harris + 1st
(Saw this recommend on a DEN website)

Lopez + Merrill for Bamba + Aminu

DDV + DJA + DJW + 1st for Rubio

Rubio/
Jrue/Harris/PatC
Porter Jr/Barton/Craig
Giannis/Aminu
Bamba/Portis

Or go with Jrue/Harris backcourt and bring Rubio off of the bench.

These are solid moves.

If the Bucks could pull that off the Denver trade for Middleton and Forbes I think they'd have to go for it. I was higher on Porter Jr. last season and Harris is just an expensive, slightly worse version of Donte, but I think that deal makes the Bucks better. Maybe not this year, but going forward for sure.

The Rubio deal is bad. He's been terrible and he has us paying Donte + a FRP. Wouldn't give up either for him and certainly not both.

Everyone on MIN has been terrible because they are a terribly constructed team. DDV straight up isn't worth Rubio.

[LuessiT]

For his career (7th year currently), he’s:

42.5% 10-16 feet
50% 16-3pt
77% FT

Obviously low volume for all because he’s so effective at the rim, but making midrange shots shouldn’t be anyone’s concern with zubac

Low volume? He attempted under 10 shots from the 16-3pt range IN HIS NBA CAREER. That's no volume. I've been arguing that my guy Cheick Diallo can develop a 3 pointer and rn he's out of the league cause he can't make 3's and has a much better pedigree as a shooter. This discussion is absolutely silly.

[midranger]

For his career (7th year currently), he’s:

42.5% 10-16 feet
50% 16-3pt
77% FT

Obviously low volume for all because he’s so effective at the rim, but making midrange shots shouldn’t be anyone’s concern with zubac

Low volume? He attempted under 10 shots from the 16-3pt range IN HIS NBA CAREER. That's no volume. I've been arguing that my guy Cheick Diallo can develop a 3 pointer and rn he's out of the league cause he can't make 3's and has a much better pedigree as a shooter. This discussion is absolutely silly.

He’s shot over 450 FTs and makes them at 77%. I think the guy can make a midrange shot.

Fwiw, 9% of his shots have been >10 feet. So about 120

[AussieBuck]

Brook Lopez makes nearly washed Al Horford look lightening quick. Shooting is icing, we need an NBA player at the starting 5. Brook isn't one anymore unless you cater the whole team around hiding his lack of ability to move.

[raferfenix]

Ok let’s say the Bucks highly value a package like Zubac + Lou Williams.

What’s the rationale for the Clippers?

Is it that BroLo is viewed as a poor fit in Milwaukee now that he’s lost a step, but he’d do better elsewhere?

[ShootingtheJ]

Where are you getting the idea that Zubac is some defensive dynamo? He's simply not, in any way. He's neither switchable nor a massive rim protector.

Also, what financial flexibility does he give us? We're over the cap forever either way.

Funny you should ask, because I've got evidence here whereas you just state things like "nor a massive rim protector" without anything to actually support your case. He was elite last season, and saying otherwise is just comically misinformed.

13th in the league in DRAPM
+3.5 DEF RAPTOR
2.79 D-LEBRON
Making his defense 3.3 PP100 better last regular season and over 10 PP100 better in the playoffs.
2.4 DRPM grading out at 10th for his position last season
-17.8 DIFF% inside 6 feet last season
-15.6 DIFF% inside 10 feet last season

Here's a breakdown

Watch on YouTube

These numbers are BECAUSE of the rim protection he provided. You seriously don't see the value of a young starting 5 getting paid 7.5M each of the next two seasons to a team that's tapped out? You don't think that allows you to squeeze money elsewhere into your roster?

No, that's not how the cap works. We'll have the tax MLE with our without him.

[skones]

No, that's not how the cap works. We'll have the tax MLE with our without him.

You're clearly not following. Nowhere did I claim that obtaining him would suddenly create cap space. Cap strapped teams need to squeeze value out of salary slots. A starting center at 7.5M with upward mobility represents that. This isn't a terribly difficult concept to understand.

[ShootingtheJ]

These are solid moves.

If the Bucks could pull that off the Denver trade for Middleton and Forbes I think they'd have to go for it. I was higher on Porter Jr. last season and Harris is just an expensive, slightly worse version of Donte, but I think that deal makes the Bucks better. Maybe not this year, but going forward for sure.

The Rubio deal is bad. He's been terrible and he has us paying Donte + a FRP. Wouldn't give up either for him and certainly not both.

Everyone on MIN has been terrible because they are a terribly constructed team. DDV straight up isn't worth Rubio.

Oh, so DDV gets you Olidipo but not Rubio?

[Bucksfan28]

Brook Lopez makes nearly washed Al Horford look lightening quick. Shooting is icing, we need an NBA player at the starting 5. Brook isn't one anymore unless you cater the whole team around hiding his lack of ability to move.

Start BPJ and let Brook work against second units?

[ShootingtheJ]

No, that's not how the cap works. We'll have the tax MLE with our without him.

You're clearly not following. Nowhere did I claim that obtaining him would suddenly create cap space. Cap strapped teams need to squeeze value out of salary slots. A starting center at 7.5M with upward mobility represents that. This isn't a terribly difficult concept to understand.

The Clippers thought so highly of him that their offseason focus was to replace him. He's regressed this year.

If he is valuable, than we could move him to a 3rd team where he fits better. I do actually like him, but he's kind of a tweener. He just doesn't fit great next to Giannis.

[WRau1]

The Rubio deal is bad. He's been terrible and he has us paying Donte + a FRP. Wouldn't give up either for him and certainly not both.

Everyone on MIN has been terrible because they are a terribly constructed team. DDV straight up isn't worth Rubio.

Oh, so DDV gets you Olidipo but not Rubio?

Who claimed that DDV gets you Oladipo?

[BroncoBuck]

Hear me out…

[skones]

No, that's not how the cap works. We'll have the tax MLE with our without him.

You're clearly not following. Nowhere did I claim that obtaining him would suddenly create cap space. Cap strapped teams need to squeeze value out of salary slots. A starting center at 7.5M with upward mobility represents that. This isn't a terribly difficult concept to understand.

The Clippers thought so highly of him that their offseason focus was to replace him. He's regressed this year.

If he is valuable, than we could move him to a 3rd team where he fits better. I do actually like him, but he's kind of a tweener. He just doesn't fit great next to Giannis.

In what way was their offseason focus to replace him? Because they got Serge Ibaka, a guy who can hit the three and won a championship while doing it? That's some sort of indictment on Ivica Zubac? That's just a blatantly false assertion. Their focus was their coaching situation and the retaining of their free agents. Listen, you've already been way off on his performance last season which leads me to believe you're just generally unfamiliar with the player in general.

[LuessiT]

Brook Lopez makes nearly washed Al Horford look lightening quick. Shooting is icing, we need an NBA player at the starting 5. Brook isn't one anymore unless you cater the whole team around hiding his lack of ability to move.

Start BPJ and let Brook work against second units?

I just don't see how Brook 'works' against second units. I guess on defense versus badly coached teams he'll get attacked at the rim and will protect it, but better coached teams will at all times be able to pull him onto the perimeter and isolate him. Brook was maybe fast enough last year to dodge some matchups but this year literally anyone can take him take him on the perimeter.

I'm thinking with 'let him work' you're more referring to his post play on offense (and it gets brought up repeatedly) but imo that is dead. It's not that Brook isn't effective posting up 1vs1 anymore, he is. But Brook has no passing game and is a black hole on offense which means if you're posting him up, he will shoot. I don't think post play is necessarily dead, but you need to get into motion quickly and you need to beat the quick double that often comes before you receive the ball. Better coached teams will exploit this big time.

So no, I don't think there's a way back for Brook. He'll be fading very quickly imo and we should get rid as fast as we can.

[LuessiT]

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Cousins on the move. I'd like something like:

Bucks: Tucker, Cousins
Third Team: Lopez
Rockets: bad contract/expiring, assets via Third team

It's the middle ground of going small/having insurance if it doesn't work out.