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tmorgan wrote:My secret love for DP is still lurking. Still think there’s a real chance he’s as close to Kobe as we’re ever likely to see.
The Consiglieri wrote:azcatz11 wrote:Chuck Everett wrote:If Atlanta takes Mara at 8, they would have to be 100% sure that he is their future starting center for the next 7-9 years. Otherwise, that will look really dumb in a few years. Just like it was dumb to take Risacher over Sarr and Castle.
Mara at 8 seems like a huge reach. I’d be comfortable with him after 15 anything sooner is not for me
100% for me, strikes me as pure unadulterated idiocy. Some crazy measurements and a nice showing in the Final Four and suddenly he's gone from late 1st/2nd round last December to inside the top 8 and jumping ahead of some of those fantastic Guard prospects? Just utter foolishness to me, and honestly, even if he does hit, I still feel 100% right because this process is what will land you far more busts and sub-mediocrities than hits. It's just not the way to maximize draft capital, to reach like that, far more often than not, you're going to be crying that you didn't take Brown Jr, or Wagler, or Acuff, or Flemings etc. If you like him that much, trade down and at least get something for your trouble in case he gets picked, to reach that far is just so foolish in my view. I don't get it at all. Even Ament after a horrible freshman year that went really wrong for large chunks of the season makes more sense.
Chuck Everett wrote:So for a couple of years, I've been banging the drum that Sam Presti needs to find a big forward. The Thunder are so versatile on the wing, but they don't have many 6'9 switchable guys, everyone is like 6'6 or below. Especially if they go with Chet at the 5. I think Morez Johnson with his measurements is probably the pick for the Thunder at 12. He needs to clean up his footwork for sure (travels a lot), but his size and athleticism is a glaring hole on the roster.
WargamesX wrote:Chuck Everett wrote:So for a couple of years, I've been banging the drum that Sam Presti needs to find a big forward. The Thunder are so versatile on the wing, but they don't have many 6'9 switchable guys, everyone is like 6'6 or below. Especially if they go with Chet at the 5. I think Morez Johnson with his measurements is probably the pick for the Thunder at 12. He needs to clean up his footwork for sure (travels a lot), but his size and athleticism is a glaring hole on the roster.
Yeah I can’t see OKC not taking one of the Michigan bigs at 12. At least one of them should still be on the board, potentially all three.
mademan wrote:Wemby is gonna get Mara drafted in the top 10
The-Power wrote:mademan wrote:Wemby is gonna get Mara drafted in the top 10
Why? If anything, these playoffs have demonstrated that you cannot rely on bigger and slower players who cannot stretch the floor at a very high level when Victor is on the court. Why should Mara be any different from Clingan, or Gobert, or Hartenstein? Only a fool would draft Mara with the idea that he is going to solve their team's Wembanyama problem.
King Ken wrote:The-Power wrote:mademan wrote:Wemby is gonna get Mara drafted in the top 10
Why? If anything, these playoffs have demonstrated that you cannot rely on bigger and slower players who cannot stretch the floor at a very high level when Victor is on the court. Why should Mara be any different from Clingan, or Gobert, or Hartenstein? Only a fool would draft Mara with the idea that he is going to solve their team's Wembanyama problem.
It's basically drafting Harold Miner because we gotta deal with Michael Jordan
WargamesX wrote:King Ken wrote:The-Power wrote:Why? If anything, these playoffs have demonstrated that you cannot rely on bigger and slower players who cannot stretch the floor at a very high level when Victor is on the court. Why should Mara be any different from Clingan, or Gobert, or Hartenstein? Only a fool would draft Mara with the idea that he is going to solve their team's Wembanyama problem.
It's basically drafting Harold Miner because we gotta deal with Michael Jordan
Wemby is the type of player teams are going to have to get 2-3 guys on the roster to try and work him over until the spurs add a second big to back him up. At that point it’ll be back to the drawing board.
King Ken wrote:WargamesX wrote:King Ken wrote:It's basically drafting Harold Miner because we gotta deal with Michael Jordan
Wemby is the type of player teams are going to have to get 2-3 guys on the roster to try and work him over until the spurs add a second big to back him up. At that point it’ll be back to the drawing board.
Like Shaq, it's gonna take rule changes to slow him down
THEJOHN_IV wrote:I have a question, who do you think would be better for the pistons at 21, meleek Thomas or isiah evans. I know they have a lot of differences (one is 6'5 and the other is 6'7 and a twig, but overall which one would help more
THEJOHN_IV wrote:I have a question, who do you think would be better for the pistons at 21, meleek Thomas or isiah evans. I know they have a lot of differences (one is 6'5 and the other is 6'7 and a twig, but overall which one would help more
THEJOHN_IV wrote:I have a question, who do you think would be better for the pistons at 21, meleek Thomas or isiah evans. I know they have a lot of differences (one is 6'5 and the other is 6'7 and a twig, but overall which one would help more
Potential as an underlying cognitive trait:
Players who fill up box-scores and show a high level of skill across a variety of traits are often denied access to the ‘high potential’ category if they lack impressive athleticism. Just look at how some current NBA stars were viewed entering the league. Draft Express had this to say about Kevin Love in 2008: “... There are serious doubts about how his proficiency will translate to the pro level... there really aren’t many players at his height with his lack of athleticism in the pros, and it’s tough to guess how high in the draft a team will be willing to take a chance on him.” Here are some comments on Marc Gasol “The current leader in efficiency rating in the ACB League, Marc Gasol has built a pretty mistake-free style of game that helps him to emerge as a statistical standout.... How much will Gasol’s lack of athleticism get exposed in the NBA? I guess that’s the question every single decision maker will be asking himself” before he fell to the second round in 2007. Paul Millsap dropped to the late second round in 2006 in spite of impressive collegiate production. The reason for Millsap’s drop is likely captured in NBADraft.net’s lowly 7/10, 5/10. And 7/10 ratings for athleticism, size, and potential. Stephen Curry and James Harden both earned a “limited upside?” flag from Draft Express; Curry due to his “frail frame” and “average athleticism, lateral quickness, and wingspan”, Harden due to his “average size and athleticism.” These are all players I would put on the far right of the ‘raw’ to ‘skilled’ continuum, yet they moved along faster growth trajectories in the pros than any of their peers. Those growth trajectories are exactly what the concept of potential is supposed to be measuring.
