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jredsaz wrote:We sign Blake to a 3+1 max deal on Saturday. And in November the offense will run through him. I've been preaching for a month and it's coming to fruition!
He is the key to the positionless system McD has been cultivating. There will be plenty of minutes to go around. He will help Benders development as much as anything this organization could do.
bwgood77 wrote:Qwigglez wrote:So this is some slight concern.
It's a super huge risk for a guy that has missed almost half of his games the last two years to sign him only to probably have a team that gets eliminated in the first round and slow down development of our players and go back to those mid first round picks.
But, ti would be fun to watch if healthy and maybe we win a round in a few years. And we already have quite a few nice players from the last 4 drafts so perhaps we have enough, and we likely wouldn't have gotten a top 5 pick this coming year anyway, so you might as well accelerate and get a premier player when available.
He would definitely put a face on the franchise for the casual fan.
Frank Lee wrote:bwgood77 wrote:DirtyDez wrote:
Interesting. Hoopshype has the same cap space figure available and it's not including any cap holds. I added up the salaries myself.
Shouldn't be an issue as they could cut Barbosa and trade Dudley.
Well, it's a writer/mod for the forum here who does it so it could be wrong but it is pretty extensive. I was trying to check the cells and look at the formulas but I don't know all the rules.
Trading Dudley is the easiest solution. The is very tradeable. It would be dumb to dump a guy like Warren on a rookie contract who has more upside and just broke out when you could just trade a cheerleader. I love Duds, but you gotta do what's best for the team in the long run.
long run.... Dudley's deal ends..... and Warren will cost us plenty.
Villalobos wrote:I listened to the Zach Lowe/Ramona podcast and she said she thinks Blake's going back to LA. Didn't even mention PHX or anything. So yeah, I'm guessing this isn't very serious. Maybe his agent trying to get him a full max. Another thing they mentioned was the Clippers didn't want to offer CP3 the full max.
jredsaz wrote:It's not particularly risky though. Worst come to worst he doesn't play and the suns essentially tank anyway. In three years they will have either an opt out or a $35 million expirering with which to add talent.
bwgood77 wrote:rsavaj wrote:can somebody who's taken a look at the numbers tell me if maybe we'd have enough room if we A) renounced Len(removed his cap hold that way) and then B) stretched Knight?
I think so. I think that would put us somewhere between $73-74 million and the cap is $99.
I think if it comes down to it, we should just trade away a first and put protection on it to trade Knight. I'd rather do that than stretch him (I think). As long as it never becomes unprotected and turns into 2 seconds or something.
It's amazing if we didn't have the Knight, Chandler and Dudley contracts that's like $37 million this year. Three guys that mostly sit on the bench.
jredsaz wrote:I mean my god! The Suns have never landed a big free agent. Looks like we are legitimately close and half the fans want to walk away. All they lose is cap space. With Bled, Chandler, Knight, Dudly they still have contracts they can move to create flexibility.
WeekapaugGroove wrote:I caution people to think that dumping any of Knight, Chandler, or Dudley will be simple. We all the know the issue with Knight so no need to bring that up. But Chandler and Dudley are a little different in that they could actually help a playoff or near playoff team BUT the problem is most of those teams don't have the cap space to simply absorb them and the ones that do like Boston or Miami are going to be chasing bigger fish on the FA market and aren't taking them. Most of the cap space teams are rebuilding so I don't see them having much interest taking older players like them when they could chase some of the younger FA's. Now later on when the free agency musical chairs has stopped and some teams have space they need to use then you might be able to dump a guy but I just don't see early in the FA period unless you want to attach an asset.
Important lesson that you need to be REALY careful when considering giving money to role players.
WeekapaugGroove wrote:I caution people to think that dumping any of Knight, Chandler, or Dudley will be simple. We all the know the issue with Knight so no need to bring that up. But Chandler and Dudley are a little different in that they could actually help a playoff or near playoff team BUT the problem is most of those teams don't have the cap space to simply absorb them and the ones that do like Boston or Miami are going to be chasing bigger fish on the FA market and aren't taking them. Most of the cap space teams are rebuilding so I don't see them having much interest taking older players like them when they could chase some of the younger FA's. Now later on when the free agency musical chairs has stopped and some teams have space they need to use then you might be able to dump a guy but I just don't see early in the FA period unless you want to attach an asset.
Important lesson that you need to be REALY careful when considering giving money to role players.
bwgood77 wrote:jredsaz wrote:I mean my god! The Suns have never landed a big free agent. Looks like we are legitimately close and half the fans want to walk away. All they lose is cap space. With Bled, Chandler, Knight, Dudly they still have contracts they can move to create flexibility.
I think the vast majority want to sign him. I've mentioned I'm fine either way as I'm excited about the rebuild but would also be excited signing him. There are probably a few who don't want him at all, but not many.
bwgood77 wrote:jredsaz wrote:It's not particularly risky though. Worst come to worst he doesn't play and the suns essentially tank anyway. In three years they will have either an opt out or a $35 million expirering with which to add talent.
I agree, it's not that risky given where we are as a franchise, because like you say, if he is injured the whole time we still are bad and the young guys develop, etc...it would then be just a big waste of cap space, which we are used to.
I don't know why you think we would definitely have an opt out. I doubt he will go for that. Maybe he would have an opt out.
jredsaz wrote:I mean my god! The Suns have never landed a big free agent. Looks like we are legitimately close and half the fans want to walk away. All they lose is cap space. With Bled, Chandler, Knight, Dudly they still have contracts they can move to create flexibility.
Kerrsed wrote:bwgood77 wrote:jredsaz wrote:I mean my god! The Suns have never landed a big free agent. Looks like we are legitimately close and half the fans want to walk away. All they lose is cap space. With Bled, Chandler, Knight, Dudly they still have contracts they can move to create flexibility.
I think the vast majority want to sign him. I've mentioned I'm fine either way as I'm excited about the rebuild but would also be excited signing him. There are probably a few who don't want him at all, but not many.
I dont know about that, i know i have been talking about Blake for over a week and there were quite a few posters shooting down the idea.
bwgood77 wrote:WeekapaugGroove wrote:I caution people to think that dumping any of Knight, Chandler, or Dudley will be simple. We all the know the issue with Knight so no need to bring that up. But Chandler and Dudley are a little different in that they could actually help a playoff or near playoff team BUT the problem is most of those teams don't have the cap space to simply absorb them and the ones that do like Boston or Miami are going to be chasing bigger fish on the FA market and aren't taking them. Most of the cap space teams are rebuilding so I don't see them having much interest taking older players like them when they could chase some of the younger FA's. Now later on when the free agency musical chairs has stopped and some teams have space they need to use then you might be able to dump a guy but I just don't see early in the FA period unless you want to attach an asset.
Important lesson that you need to be REALY careful when considering giving money to role players.
The reason I mentioned Dudley would probably be easy to move was because I have seen Bucks fans kind of want him back. Knowing you are also a Bucks fan, do you not agree with this?