Markelle Fultz Discussion III: For Fultz and going forward (see 2017 draft thread for trade discussion)

[PhilasFinest]

No. Let me explain.
Tatum and a big(hopefully) would be more pure talent and a better fit for BOSTON than a PG(Fultz or Lonzo).
So in Boston’s mindset they were getting more talent AND a better fit while giving their main rival less pure talent but a better fit
In PHI mindset they are getting less talent but a better fit while giving their main rival more talent and a better fit.

Hope that made sense. Maybe I’m being a homer idk but that’s my thought process.

What’s left is right and what’s right is left?

Did you steal that quote from NBADraft.net or make it up all on your own?

If you have a diffrent thought process or idea on the trade post it. No need to resort to trolling.

I’ve posted my thoughts on the trade several times just like you. I just don’t go out of my way to repost it every few days on another teams board.

[Baller1234a]

What’s left is right and what’s right is left?

Did you steal that quote from NBADraft.net or make it up all on your own?

If you have a diffrent thought process or idea on the trade post it. No need to resort to trolling.

I’ve posted my thoughts on the trade several times just like you. I just don’t go out of my way to repost it every few days on another teams board.

Go ahead and check the last time I have posted on this thread before today.

Also if you feel “tired” of arguing it, just ignore my post and the people that are actually interested in posting about the topic will reply.

[PhilasFinest]

If you have a diffrent thought process or idea on the trade post it. No need to resort to trolling.

I’ve posted my thoughts on the trade several times just like you. I just don’t go out of my way to repost it every few days on another teams board.

Go ahead and check the last time I have posted on this thread before today.

Also if you feel “tired” of arguing it, just ignore my post and the people that are actually interested in posting about the topic will reply.

Pretty sure the topic of this thread isnt: who won the phi/bos trade 3 months into the season. Which is the only thing you come here and post about.

We get it. You think Boston won the trade. You also think NBA Draft.net is the holy grail of basketball knowledge and that Trae Young isn’t a first rounder.

Come back after Fultz has played a few games and the lottery order is set in stone.

[sixers hoops]

While I somewhat agree with the statement both teams can win the trade I think this specific trade is pretty different for 1 key reason

The fact that PHI and BOS will be competing for the conference for the next decade.
Now of course things can happen to change that (Embiid (god forbid) going down or Kyrie going down)
But that seems the most likely scenario for the foreseeable future (maybe the Bucks?)

So the real question is... even if you get the better fitting player if you give up more pure talent (that’s a great fit fit them in Tatum and hopefully Ayton or Bagley) to your main rival do you still “win” the trade?

And OT As for Tatum he doesn’t need to be shooting 50 percent from 3 to be this efficient(as we discussed on the Celtics board over what he showed in yesterday’s game)

Well can't this thinking be reversed as well? If Boston thinks that Philly could be the main treat in the upcoming years then why give us the opportunity to draft the theoretically perfect complementary piece?

No. Let me explain.
Tatum and a big(hopefully) would be more pure talent and a better fit for BOSTON than a PG(Fultz or Lonzo).
So in Boston’s mindset they were getting more talent AND a better fit while giving their main rival less pure talent but a better fit
In PHI mindset they are getting less talent but a better fit while giving their main rival more talent and a better fit.

Hope that made sense. Maybe I’m being a homer idk but that’s my thought process.

I don’t know that Philly thought they were getting “less talent and a better fit.” I think it feasible that they thought Fultz was that good. Of all printed mock drafts and big boards, Fultz was easily the consensus top player. I’m not saying that means he is the top player, but clearly A LOT of people believed he was.

[Ericb5]

While I somewhat agree with the statement both teams can win the trade I think this specific trade is pretty different for 1 key reason

The fact that PHI and BOS will be competing for the conference for the next decade.
Now of course things can happen to change that (Embiid (god forbid) going down or Kyrie going down)
But that seems the most likely scenario for the foreseeable future (maybe the Bucks?)

So the real question is... even if you get the better fitting player if you give up more pure talent (that’s a great fit fit them in Tatum and hopefully Ayton or Bagley) to your main rival do you still “win” the trade?

And OT As for Tatum he doesn’t need to be shooting 50 percent from 3 to be this efficient(as we discussed on the Celtics board over what he showed in yesterday’s game)

Well can't this thinking be reversed as well? If Boston thinks that Philly could be the main treat in the upcoming years then why give us the opportunity to draft the theoretically perfect complementary piece?

No. Let me explain.
Tatum and a big(hopefully) would be more pure talent and a better fit for BOSTON than a PG(Fultz or Lonzo).
So in Boston’s mindset they were getting more talent AND a better fit while giving their main rival less pure talent but a better fit
In PHI mindset they are getting less talent but a better fit while giving their main rival more talent and a better fit.

Hope that made sense. Maybe I’m being a homer idk but that’s my thought process.

That’s true, but the circumstances are very different because the Sixers only need a 3rd best player, but the Celtics still need a best player.

You guys have two Robins and two potential Robins. The Sixers have one Batman, one potential Batman, and one potential Robin.


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[PhilasFinest]

Well can't this thinking be reversed as well? If Boston thinks that Philly could be the main treat in the upcoming years then why give us the opportunity to draft the theoretically perfect complementary piece?

No. Let me explain.
Tatum and a big(hopefully) would be more pure talent and a better fit for BOSTON than a PG(Fultz or Lonzo).
So in Boston’s mindset they were getting more talent AND a better fit while giving their main rival less pure talent but a better fit
In PHI mindset they are getting less talent but a better fit while giving their main rival more talent and a better fit.

Hope that made sense. Maybe I’m being a homer idk but that’s my thought process.

That’s true, but the circumstances are very different because the Sixers only need a 3rd best player, but the Celtics still need a best player.

You guys have two Robins and two potential Robins. The Sixers have two Batman’s and one potential a Robin.


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Cmon man! Stop feeding the trolls.

[Ericb5]

No. Let me explain.
Tatum and a big(hopefully) would be more pure talent and a better fit for BOSTON than a PG(Fultz or Lonzo).
So in Boston’s mindset they were getting more talent AND a better fit while giving their main rival less pure talent but a better fit
In PHI mindset they are getting less talent but a better fit while giving their main rival more talent and a better fit.

Hope that made sense. Maybe I’m being a homer idk but that’s my thought process.

That’s true, but the circumstances are very different because the Sixers only need a 3rd best player, but the Celtics still need a best player.

You guys have two Robins and two potential Robins. The Sixers have two Batman’s and one potential a Robin.


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Cmon man! Stop feeding the trolls.

I just edited my post right after you quoted it because I think that Simmons isn’t a true Batman yet, but I don’t think he is acting like a troll. At least I don’t remember him if he did it before.


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[gdog2004]

Well can't this thinking be reversed as well? If Boston thinks that Philly could be the main treat in the upcoming years then why give us the opportunity to draft the theoretically perfect complementary piece?

No. Let me explain.
Tatum and a big(hopefully) would be more pure talent and a better fit for BOSTON than a PG(Fultz or Lonzo).
So in Boston’s mindset they were getting more talent AND a better fit while giving their main rival less pure talent but a better fit
In PHI mindset they are getting less talent but a better fit while giving their main rival more talent and a better fit.

Hope that made sense. Maybe I’m being a homer idk but that’s my thought process.

That’s true, but the circumstances are very different because the Sixers only need a 3rd best player, but the Celtics still need a best player.

You guys have two Robins and two potential Robins. The Sixers have one Batman, one potential Batman, and one potential Robin.


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Kyrie Irving is in the running for MVP of the entire league. I would say he's Batman more than anyone else on the Sixers right now. (which is in part because Simmons and Embiid are rookies...skies the limit for them , but right now Kyrie is the man)

[Baller1234a]

Well can't this thinking be reversed as well? If Boston thinks that Philly could be the main treat in the upcoming years then why give us the opportunity to draft the theoretically perfect complementary piece?

No. Let me explain.
Tatum and a big(hopefully) would be more pure talent and a better fit for BOSTON than a PG(Fultz or Lonzo).
So in Boston’s mindset they were getting more talent AND a better fit while giving their main rival less pure talent but a better fit
In PHI mindset they are getting less talent but a better fit while giving their main rival more talent and a better fit.

Hope that made sense. Maybe I’m being a homer idk but that’s my thought process.

I don’t know that Philly thought they were getting “less talent and a better fit.” I think it feasible that they thought Fultz was that good. Of all printed mock drafts and big boards, Fultz was easily the consensus top player. I’m not saying that means he is the top player, but clearly A LOT of people believed he was.

Yeah he was considered better than Tatum before draft agreed.
But I remember the consensus that Tatum + Pick were more talent than Fultz in a vacuum (of course Fultz would be a better fit)
Maybe my memory is wrong but it was widely considered Tatum + Pick had more pure value.

[Baller1234a]

No. Let me explain.
Tatum and a big(hopefully) would be more pure talent and a better fit for BOSTON than a PG(Fultz or Lonzo).
So in Boston’s mindset they were getting more talent AND a better fit while giving their main rival less pure talent but a better fit
In PHI mindset they are getting less talent but a better fit while giving their main rival more talent and a better fit.

Hope that made sense. Maybe I’m being a homer idk but that’s my thought process.

That’s true, but the circumstances are very different because the Sixers only need a 3rd best player, but the Celtics still need a best player.

You guys have two Robins and two potential Robins. The Sixers have one Batman, one potential Batman, and one potential Robin.


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Kyrie Irving is in the running for MVP of the entire league. I would say he's Batman more than anyone else on the Sixers right now. (which is in part because Simmons and Embiid are rookies...skies the limit for them , but right now Kyrie is the man)

Agreed.
Kyrie can absolutely be a BATMAN especially in the PO. There is only a handful of guys I take above him in the playoffs.
Lebron
Durant
Curry
Kawhi
Harden
After that imo Kyrie but this is all just opinion based for now. I’ll go ahead and look at the stats later and post them here.

[Baller1234a]

That’s true, but the circumstances are very different because the Sixers only need a 3rd best player, but the Celtics still need a best player.

You guys have two Robins and two potential Robins. The Sixers have two Batman’s and one potential a Robin.


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Cmon man! Stop feeding the trolls.

I just edited my post right after you quoted it because I think that Simmons isn’t a true Batman yet, but I don’t think he is acting like a troll. At least I don’t remember him if he did it before.


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Trolling is not my intent.
Go ahead and go over my posts on this board. I haven’t trolled before and will not do it in the future.

[Baller1234a]

No. Let me explain.
Tatum and a big(hopefully) would be more pure talent and a better fit for BOSTON than a PG(Fultz or Lonzo).
So in Boston’s mindset they were getting more talent AND a better fit while giving their main rival less pure talent but a better fit
In PHI mindset they are getting less talent but a better fit while giving their main rival more talent and a better fit.

Hope that made sense. Maybe I’m being a homer idk but that’s my thought process.

That’s true, but the circumstances are very different because the Sixers only need a 3rd best player, but the Celtics still need a best player.

You guys have two Robins and two potential Robins. The Sixers have two Batman’s and one potential a Robin.


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Cmon man! Stop feeding the trolls.

I am not trolling.
If you have a problem pm me.
If not don’t try to derail the thread trying to attack me.

[Mik317]

who is to say Tatum can't be a Batman? Or hell Kyrie? Plus we have no clue where that pick will fall...they could get it from that.
I also wish sixers fans would stop acting like our guys have arrived already...Embiid still can't be trusted full time, Simmons has to learn how to shoot and Fultz haven't even played yet.

Again if you are going to believe that Embiid will stay relatively healthy, Simmons will learn how to score more, and Fultz is at the very least a good player...you gotta be fair and take that wait and see approach with other players as well...far too many players get written off waaaay too fast and have their ceilings set for them all because they don't play for your team of choice around these parts and that is some lame ass ****.

As much as I hate to see it because he plays for the Celtics, Tatum has been really dang good, smaller role or not, dude has been a sniper and most importantly shown that he is most than Mr. Iso ONLY as he was often pegged as, not to mention being pretty solid for a 19 year old on the defensive side of the ball. So as much as it sucks because it feeds the trolls against the Sixers, dude has been great for a rookie and we all know damn well if Fultz was doing the exact same ****...no ammount of "bu-but his usage and role doe" would change the fact that we;d be over the moon and gloating haaaaard (self included and I wasn't even a Fultz guy lol)

Its boring but the fact is that nothing is certain right now and the constant acting by so many on these forums is maddening. We all have opinions and it is fun to discuss them but some take it so personally and thus most of said discussion is less about said opinion but more so dick waving about who is wrong and who is right. I'm not going to lie Lonzo's failure early in the year had me lowkey happy but then I realized that was stupid, it was too damn early, and was super unfair to do while I also defended players I did like. Just basically it goes both ways, personally, I worry about Fultz and the trade often...he wasn't my first choice and i'd rather stay at 3 and take Fox/Jackson/or Smith (all 3 guys have been playing like **** too lol), add to the fact that it allows me to troll Bryan if it backfires haaard, and yeah him failing is something I could see happening. But I'd rather give him the same chance I'd give Fox...or I am giving Simmons...to fail and hopefully learn from it and adjust. I think we are all a bit spoiled by Embiid and what we assume should be natural for certain guys but this **** takes time....and guys like Oladipo blossoming after him seemingly hitting his ceiling...or former busts like Dunn getting it together... shows that.

For everyone's sake I hope Fultz is good bare minimum. That way the weird little pissing contest that has been building up will be a bust as neither side can gloat right away and we can watch the normal process of a prospect finidng his way...but alas...that will never happen.

[Baller1234a]

I’ve posted my thoughts on the trade several times just like you. I just don’t go out of my way to repost it every few days on another teams board.

Go ahead and check the last time I have posted on this thread before today.

Also if you feel “tired” of arguing it, just ignore my post and the people that are actually interested in posting about the topic will reply.

Pretty sure the topic of this thread isnt: who won the phi/bos trade 3 months into the season. Which is the only thing you come here and post about.

We get it.

You think Boston won the trade. You also think NBA Draft.net is the holy grail of basketball knowledge and that Trae Young isn’t a first rounder.

Come back after Fultz has played a few games and the lottery order is set in stone.

“Pretty sure the topic of this thread isnt: who won the phi/bos trade 3 months into the season. Which is the only thing you come here and post about.”

If you see my original post I didn’t start the BOS PHI trade talk (I quoted a discussion going on)

“We get it. You think Boston won the trade”

Yes I do believe Boston won the trade. I also believe PHI can win the trade as well if you go back to my original post.

“You also think NBA Draft.net is the holy grail of basketball knowledge and that Trae Young isn’t a first rounder.”

False. Never said that. Now who’s trolling?

Come back after Fultz has played a few games and the lottery order is set in stone.

Fultz hasn’t played for a few weeks yet discussion is still going on. Why can’t we discuss this?

[Sixerscan]

Cmon man! Stop feeding the trolls.

I just edited my post right after you quoted it because I think that Simmons isn’t a true Batman yet, but I don’t think he is acting like a troll. At least I don’t remember him if he did it before.


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Trolling is not my intent.
Go ahead and go over my posts on this board. I haven’t trolled before and will not do it in the future.

You've trolled this board plenty.

You've also been formally warned on two other teams boards and the general board for trolling.

In the last 6 months.

I suggest you stop venturing onto other boards.

[Baller1234a]

Well can't this thinking be reversed as well? If Boston thinks that Philly could be the main treat in the upcoming years then why give us the opportunity to draft the theoretically perfect complementary piece?

No. Let me explain.
Tatum and a big(hopefully) would be more pure talent and a better fit for BOSTON than a PG(Fultz or Lonzo).
So in Boston’s mindset they were getting more talent AND a better fit while giving their main rival less pure talent but a better fit
In PHI mindset they are getting less talent but a better fit while giving their main rival more talent and a better fit.

Hope that made sense. Maybe I’m being a homer idk but that’s my thought process.

That’s true, but the circumstances are very different because the Sixers only need a 3rd best player, but the Celtics still need a best player.

You guys have two Robins and two potential Robins. The Sixers have one Batman, one potential Batman, and one potential Robin.


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Tatum is a potential BATMAN
Kyrie could be considered a Batman right now
Hayward is a high level Robin
Horford is a ok Robin (check last years team) but he’s more 3rd best player so I won’t count him in this discussion (like Covington)
Brown is a potential Robin

1 BATMAN 1 Potential BATMAN 1 Robin 1 potential Robin

[Baller1234a]

I just edited my post right after you quoted it because I think that Simmons isn’t a true Batman yet, but I don’t think he is acting like a troll. At least I don’t remember him if he did it before.


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Trolling is not my intent.
Go ahead and go over my posts on this board. I haven’t trolled before and will not do it in the future.

You've trolled this board plenty.

You've also been formally warned on two other teams boards and the general board for trolling.

In the last 6 months.

I suggest you stop venturing onto other boards.

“I appreciate the mostly respectable conversation you've been able to engage posters with...

-Mod that gave me the warning on this board
I got that warning for bringing up the Celtics which in this case I didn’t.

“Thanks, I appreciate you being cool about it. I know what that guy said was very incendiary. I meant what I said, you're welcome on our board any time.”
-The “other” forum mod


But if you don’t want me on the board I’ll leave. my bad.

[spikeslovechild]

Cmon man! Stop feeding the trolls.

I just edited my post right after you quoted it because I think that Simmons isn’t a true Batman yet, but I don’t think he is acting like a troll. At least I don’t remember him if he did it before.


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Trolling is not my intent.
Go ahead and go over my posts on this board. I haven’t trolled before and will not do it in the future.

I mean you are a Celtics fan and NYY fan. How is that even possible without being a frontrunning troll?

[tsmith]

This thread has hit an all time low hahaha.

[Baller1234a]

I just edited my post right after you quoted it because I think that Simmons isn’t a true Batman yet, but I don’t think he is acting like a troll. At least I don’t remember him if he did it before.


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Trolling is not my intent.
Go ahead and go over my posts on this board. I haven’t trolled before and will not do it in the future.

I mean you are a Celtics fan and NYY fan. How is that even possible without being a frontrunning troll?

last post here.
Born in NY (why I am a giants fan)
Grew up watching Bird (Dad was a Cs fan)