Miami Heat Regular Season/Speculation Thread 2021 Part 3

[DayofMourning]

Midas whale trade Jimmy to GS. See if they willing to sacrifice youth/picks for one more Curry Finals push.

I would honestly do that only if Jimmy wants that and they’d 10000% be willing to give up some youth and picks to maximize the windows of Steph, Klay, and Dray.

Yeah, it's just tough to see this team improving without flipping someone. Butler is the one guy who could warrant a quality return and only from GS due to their talent structure at this exact point in time.

[contract]

Midas whale trade Jimmy to GS. See if they willing to sacrifice youth/picks for one more Curry Finals push.

I would honestly do that only if Jimmy wants that and they’d 10000% be willing to give up some youth and picks to maximize the windows of Steph, Klay, and Dray.

Klay? Klay would probably be coming back the other way. He may miss all of next season too. He's not so much coming back from injury as coming out of retirement.

[NBADraft2003]

Midas whale trade Jimmy to GS. See if they willing to sacrifice youth/picks for one more Curry Finals push.

I would honestly do that only if Jimmy wants that and they’d 10000% be willing to give up some youth and picks to maximize the windows of Steph, Klay, and Dray.

Klay? Klay would probably be coming back the other way. He may miss all of next season too. He's not so much coming back from injury as coming out of retirement.

There’s no way they’re sending Klay out. Steph and Dray not having that, the idea for them would be to add another great player to that existing core, not swap them. And if you’re going into a rebuild, take the young pieces and the picks plus whatever salary filler they have to make it work. Klay’s also not missing next season either, he was slated to player this season until he got hurt. If he does miss time, it’ll be at the beginning for probably a month but he’s been on schedule with rehab.

[NBADraft2003]

Midas whale trade Jimmy to GS. See if they willing to sacrifice youth/picks for one more Curry Finals push.

I would honestly do that only if Jimmy wants that and they’d 10000% be willing to give up some youth and picks to maximize the windows of Steph, Klay, and Dray.

Yeah, it's just tough to see this team improving without flipping someone. Butler is the one guy who could warrant a quality return and only from GS due to their talent structure at this exact point in time.

If we’re trading Jimmy, I’d explore trading Bam too. I doubt he’d be happy sitting here waiting for the team to get good again, just start over at that point. You’d get a lot for him too, he’s locked into a contract.

[contract]

I would honestly do that only if Jimmy wants that and they’d 10000% be willing to give up some youth and picks to maximize the windows of Steph, Klay, and Dray.

Klay? Klay would probably be coming back the other way. He may miss all of next season too. He's not so much coming back from injury as coming out of retirement.

There’s no way they’re sending Klay out. Steph and Dray not hot having that, the idea for them would be to add another great player to that existing core, not swap them. And if you’re going into a rebuild, take the young pieces and the picks plus whatever salary filler they have to make it work. Klay’s also not missing next season either, he was slated to player this season until he got hurt. If he does miss time, it’ll be at the beginning for probably a month but he’s been on schedule with rehab.

“I don’t know that it will be the start of the year, we’ll see more as camp gets closer. When I say start of the year, I mean Game 1, I don’t know if that’s realistic or not. What we’re focused on is when do we expect Klay to be Klay, and I don’t know if that will be January, February, March. It’s too early to say. We’re not going to throw him out there if he’s not ready, and he’s doing everything he can to get back.” -- Bob Myers Warriors GM

[NBADraft2003]

Klay? Klay would probably be coming back the other way. He may miss all of next season too. He's not so much coming back from injury as coming out of retirement.

There’s no way they’re sending Klay out. Steph and Dray not hot having that, the idea for them would be to add another great player to that existing core, not swap them. And if you’re going into a rebuild, take the young pieces and the picks plus whatever salary filler they have to make it work. Klay’s also not missing next season either, he was slated to player this season until he got hurt. If he does miss time, it’ll be at the beginning for probably a month but he’s been on schedule with rehab.

“I don’t know that it will be the start of the year, we’ll see more as camp gets closer. When I say start of the year, I mean Game 1, I don’t know if that’s realistic or not. What we’re focused on is when do we expect Klay to be Klay, and I don’t know if that will be January, February, March. It’s too early to say. We’re not going to throw him out there if he’s not ready, and he’s doing everything he can to get back.” -- Bob Myers Warriors GM

That’s not really saying much. They’d never put out a timetable on when to expect him back. They’re letting him rehab and feel his body out. Straight from the source:

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[EMC5466]

Jimmy is going to be 32 years old, his window is closing. Adding Lowry isn’t going to do much to help us get through Brooklyn. Lowry and Jerami Grant maybe but even that is a stretch. I wouldn’t be against trading him to the Warriors for a package of picks. This much is certain...Pat Riley can’t run this team back. He’s got to do something big either way.

[AirP.]

You’re not getting 1st round picks for all them dudes, especially Precious and KZ. That’s laughable, the Rockets got four unprotected 1st round picks that we don’t have and four pick swaps to go along with that. And no, Tyler isn’t nor was he valued higher than Jarrett Allen either. That’s fine if you want to believe it, it’s completely different than what actually happened though.

At the beginning of the year when this was possible, yeah you were.

They got 4 unprotected picks, 3 of them will or should be at the end of the first round... Milwaulkee and Brooklyn's 1st round picks of 2022, Brooklyn's 2024 pick should be late in the 1st round too and only the 2026 pick may be be a good pick. The swaps with Brooklyn PROBABLY won't happen till possibly 2027. I personally don't see the Rockets having a worse pick then Brooklyn for a long time.

If you just look at the picks without the context of where those picks come from it looks better, but in all reality, Houston traded Harden for 3 picks that could make their bad rotation, 1 pick that could possibly be a good starter and 1 pick swap that could net them a starter/rotation piece... they also got Levert but had him moved for Oladipo.... LeVert or Oladipo will probably be way better then anyone Houston drafts from those picks they got. Harden's price was CHEAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It wasn’t. If teams valued KZ or Precious that high, they would’ve traded up to get them, they didn’t. Anything is possible in what if scenarios, which is all that you’re basing this stuff on. “What if Team X valued KZ and Precious enough to give 1st round picks.” That wasn’t happening. All those picks will probably be at the end of the 1st round but do tanking teams care? No. That’s more assets that they get, they have complete control of Brooklyn’s future if something goes wrong(pray it doesn’t nt). Brooklyn gave up a lot for James, we didn’t have what they wanted. It is what it is.

Yes, tanking teams care about where first round picks are, obviously they'd want higher pick but Brooklyn couldn't offer them anything but near the end of the first round picks. 82games did research on what picks netted what types of players... you can read their numbers here... http://www.82games.com/nbadraftpicks.htm

Here is some of their notes...

So at a glance you can see the first five picks tend towards stars and solid types with no complete busts.

The 6-10 range show about 1/3 of the picks reaching star status, but lots of role players as well.

The mid first round (11-20) is much more a crap shoot with as many busts as stars.

Late first round (21-30) only 6% of picks become stars, and less than half even make it to role player caliber stats.

And the draft is a complete crap shoot. Draymond Green turned out to be a better player than most guys in his draft class. Isaiah Thomas also was much better than most of his draft class. Where you are picked does not matter. In the next few years, they are going to have somebody that will be better than Caris and Vic. Especially the latter. Context is, they got 4 unprotected picks that we don’t have nor could’ve gotten and Brooklyn gave up complete unprotected control on picks in the future. Knock on wood, all it takes is one or two injuries to their top players and that’s it.

Interesting... you don't think Miami couldn't have found 4 first round picks to give to Houston? For starters they could have given OKC some compensation to take the protections off of the 2023 pick they had to allow Miami to trade their 2025 1st rounder. I honestly believe a contender would have given 2 first round picks(picks near the end of the 1st round) at near the start of this season to acquire D.Robinson so they'd have his Bird rights to retain him long term after his historic year of shooting. I'm pretty sure many teams would have been fine giving up 2 non top 10 picks for Herro at the beginning of this year, at the time he was looked at/valued like a top 5 pick which is a very expensive pick to acquire. Precious at the time was looked at as a solid pick at that time with no summer camp and a short preseason. Yes, I think Miami had the ability to find 4 if not 5 first round picks to send to Houston. Also, had Bam been in the trade, there would have been a lot less assets that went out the door.

The point is that Riley/Miami didn't want to give up nearly everything to get Harden, MIAMI was the team that walked away from the trade, not Houston. That should tell you that Houston felt that Miami had or could get enough for Harden but Miami didn't want to give up what was needed.

[AirP.]

Jimmy is going to be 32 years old, his window is closing. Adding Lowry isn’t going to do much to help us get through Brooklyn. Lowry and Jerami Grant maybe but even that is a stretch. I wouldn’t be against trading him to the Warriors for a package of picks. This much is certain...Pat Riley can’t run this team back. He’s got to do something big either way.

Unless someone big is forcing their way to Miami in either in FA(Kawhi) or through a sign and trade like a Lowry or DeRozan, or just trying to force their way out (Beal?), nothing big is probably going to happen. Might as well bring nearly everyone back including Oladipo, hope young players do better and then make the trades you should have done this last offseason.

The outlook for draft picks are bad for Miami... quite possibly only 1 very bad 1st round pick the next 3 years.

No 1st round pick this year(2021)
Next year's 1st round pick will likely get swapped by Houston with Brooklyn's so there is ZERO reason to not try to to be good.
A protected top 14 pick in 2023, so unless this team just tanks, Miami probably doesn't end up with a 1st rounder that year either.

[Vertical Limit]

Butler, Nunn, Duncan and Herro.. with all the s&t’s and how many different parties involved... all i want in return is a point guard and a star guard (beal) and then we rebuild around bam and beal... we need to hit the refresh button now, not later when Jimmy’s athleticism has fell completely.

[DayofMourning]

I would honestly do that only if Jimmy wants that and they’d 10000% be willing to give up some youth and picks to maximize the windows of Steph, Klay, and Dray.

Yeah, it's just tough to see this team improving without flipping someone. Butler is the one guy who could warrant a quality return and only from GS due to their talent structure at this exact point in time.

If we’re trading Jimmy, I’d explore trading Bam too. I doubt he’d be happy sitting here waiting for the team to get good again, just start over at that point. You’d get a lot for him too, he’s locked into a contract.

Can't move building block Bam IMO.

Trade with GS. Pray for scoring/lead guard in lottery.

Acquire two legit big men with rim protection.

Fill out wings with 3 and D.

Pray.

[NBADraft2003]

Yeah, it's just tough to see this team improving without flipping someone. Butler is the one guy who could warrant a quality return and only from GS due to their talent structure at this exact point in time.

If we’re trading Jimmy, I’d explore trading Bam too. I doubt he’d be happy sitting here waiting for the team to get good again, just start over at that point. You’d get a lot for him too, he’s locked into a contract.

Can't move building block Bam IMO.

Trade with GS. Pray for scoring/lead guard in lottery.

Acquire two legit big men with rim protection.

Fill out wings with 3 and D.

Pray.

I don’t think Bam is going to be happy waiting for the young ones to get better. He’s trying to win. This is all hypothetical, chit go left type of scenarios. I’d explore it, teams will give up a lot for a player like him.

In our current scenario, add to Jimmy and Bam. Give up any and everything to get a guy who is a true #1. I don’t see one shaking themselves free but offseasons in the NBA get wild so there’s only hope. Kawhi ain’t coming though, scratch that one off before we even get there.

[NBADraft2003]

Butler, Nunn, Duncan and Herro.. with all the s&t’s and how many different parties involved... all i want in return is a point guard and a star guard (beal) and then we rebuild around bam and beal... we need to hit the refresh button now, not later when Jimmy’s athleticism has fell completely.

That wouldn’t be any better than their current situation now lol. I’m not trying to watch Bam handoffs to Brad, not interested. If we could add Beal to Jimmy and Bam, that’d be the goal.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I figure the only way we get Lowry is via S&T since it would make no sense to use all our cap space on him. I really do think Lowry does want to come here and play with Butler.

Who do you want to use capspace on?

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Dinwiddie and Markkannen. Lowry is not taking a bargain deal. Raps can sign him to what he wants and facilitate S&T. Miami has two team options they can use to send Raps way to match close to the figure Lowry wants.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Lowry reportedly wants a two-year, $50 million contract in free agency, and a source in the Heat organization told Bleacher Report that the Heat believe they can acquire him in free agency.”

“Another source had mentioned Lowry’s actual asking price was higher than the reported $50 million contract, and closer to $30 million a year. They did also agree that Miami had a great chance of signing Lowry in the offseason.”

[MettaWorldPanda]

The Lowry S&T becomes iffy because if we want to free up cap space we need to release the cap holds of Iggy and Dragic

[EMC5466]

Lowry isn’t enough to get this team over the hump. We would also need someone like a Jerami Grant and even then it probably won’t be enough.

[eddieheatfan]

Lowry isn’t enough to get this team over the hump. We would also need someone like a Jerami Grant and even then it probably won’t be enough.

harden was target for the heat but they didnt pursuit it soooo

[Hallstar]

I would honestly do that only if Jimmy wants that and they’d 10000% be willing to give up some youth and picks to maximize the windows of Steph, Klay, and Dray.

Yeah, it's just tough to see this team improving without flipping someone. Butler is the one guy who could warrant a quality return and only from GS due to their talent structure at this exact point in time.

If we’re trading Jimmy, I’d explore trading Bam too. I doubt he’d be happy sitting here waiting for the team to get good again, just start over at that point. You’d get a lot for him too, he’s locked into a contract.

You don't trade Bam at 23. What you do by trading Jimmy is take away his safety blanket and force him to be the scorer he's capable f being.

[_GH0ST_]

I'm aware of his problems but could John Wall be a cheap player this summer?