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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#1101 » by PushDaRock » Wed Jan 15, 2025 1:59 am

Son Goku 25 wrote:I think if it really came down to it, it would suck but Scottie would need to swallow his pride if we tank next season too. Either he comes in and says f it and I'm gonna go all out (which he should be anyways) and prove I'm good enough with current team or just continue as is and guarantee another potential star next season.

I'm sure SGA didn't feel great either but he's way better than Scottie and he put up with it, FO gotta deliver though and keep team sane without creating bad habits.


In the games SGA played for 20/21, it wasn't that bad, they went 16-19. They were just dreadful in the games he didn't play going 6-31. Their 2nd tank year though, SGA's efficiency really dropped off and they went 16-40 in the games he played and it kind of looked like SGA might just be a guy putting up stats on a bad team before he took that massive leap in year 5.
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Post#1102 » by LoveMyRaps » Wed Jan 15, 2025 2:09 am

Did some research on any potential connection between Masai and Maluach... here's what I gathered... some interesting tidbits:

Masai has been instrumental in supporting the NBA Academy Africa program, where Maluach developed his skills.

Masai plays a significant role in the BAL as a board member and advocate for the league's growth.

Maluach participated in the BAL as part of the "BAL Elevate" program, which assigns NBA Academy prospects to BAL teams.

Keep in mind, Ulrich Chomche was the first BAL graduate to be drafted into the NBA - courtesy of Masai and the Raps.

Maluach played for the Senegalese team A.S. Douanes in the BAL.

Maluach & Masai had a personal interaction at the NBA All-Star Game, where Maluach greeted Masai near the court.
(source: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2024/03/28/duke-recruit-khaman-maluach-nba-academy-senegal/73095610007/)

Maluach's connection to the BAL through the "BAL Elevate" program showcases the league's role in developing young African talent. This aligns perfectly with Masai's vision for the BAL and African basketball development, creating a natural link between Masai's work and Maluach's progress.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#1103 » by RoteSchroder » Wed Jan 15, 2025 2:18 am

Brinbe wrote:Jak def making a play for that third spot. Consistency is hard to ignore and we just saw that the team wasn't nearly the same without him.


I'm fairly comfortable with taking him over Harper..mainly cause I think he has a better jumper and higher b-ball IQ, which means we need a top 2 pick if anyone else is thinking the same
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#1104 » by Ell Curry » Wed Jan 15, 2025 2:24 am

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I’m not used to being a front runner, so I’m fine with no Flagg. My sights are set on Kasparas atm, but I’m not sure Masai has the balls to move on from the current core (IQ, RJ) if necessary.


Masai has never once included RJ when discussing our core. It's always been Scottie and IQ.


yeah, but all media members and staff talk and act like RJ is a part of the core and the Raptor's "big 3"

How do the rules work in terms of what Ujiri considers/doesn't consider as a core? does he need to explicitly say it or something?

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/rj-barrett-stats-canada-olympics-raptors/7b4ef7b0e3e292fd5cbc488f
Barrett recently turned 24 and, as indicated numerous times by team president Masai Ujiri, is a key piece of the Raptors core for the future.


I haven't listened to every interview, so I'm not sure when he only emphasizes IQ/Scottie and leaves out Barrett (do u got a link?), but was it during when they were signing new contracts?

From what I've heard, I think he's only explicitly mentioned building around Scottie. Not sure if he's ever said anything like "IQ is our core"



Looked it up:

Go to 14 minutes in and he makes his first mention of RJ and Quickley. Says IQ has "incredible upside" and speed and quickness and then remembers to add RJ, saying "Or RJ Barrett, we're trying to teach him to play in a different way and we think he's going to get better at it."

I think the advanced stats and logic suggest strongly that Quickley was seen as a quality PG (we paid him well as a result) who could take a ton of 3s and so be a nice fit as part of a scoring trio who can all be over the league average in efficiency (at or above league true shooting + Barnes and Quickley can pass) with Barnes + whoever our best draftee the next couple of years is. At the time of the trade, that looked like a decent bet. It looks a bit shakier now because Quickley has been hurt and Barnes has regressed from 3. Hopefully those are both dips that help the tank but aren't long-term trends.

As Masai's comments indicate, Barrett was seen as a reclamation project who was still 23 at the time of the trade. My guess is that being Canadian didn't hurt, and neither did DeMar having some similarities and him improving in his mid 20s and ultimately proving a good player and the trade chip that won us the title. If Barrett really improves, we've got a tougher decision to make. If he's the same empty calories type of no-defence, not efficient offense guy, then he'll be an expiring after this year of tanking and next year's season which I won't predict anything for other than that we pick in the top 18, we could be a play-in team or the 2nd worst team in the league (Flagg changes Washington or Utah, the other still worse than us). His bad money doesn't hurt us that badly while we're tanking.

I wish we'd gotten a first and a different overpaid guy instead, but maybe that offer wasn't on the table, there's really not that many bad contracts floating around in the 20-30M range at all.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#1105 » by Ell Curry » Wed Jan 15, 2025 2:34 am

Son Goku 25 wrote:I think if it really came down to it, it would suck but Scottie would need to swallow his pride if we tank next season too. Either he comes in and says f it and I'm gonna go all out (which he should be anyways) and prove I'm good enough with current team or just continue as is and guarantee another potential star next season.

I'm sure SGA didn't feel great either but he's way better than Scottie and he put up with it, FO gotta deliver though and keep team sane without creating bad habits.


Not entirely out of the realm of possibility that getting a close friend of his in Mogbo was partly about this. We may be threading the needle and that plus sacrificing Darko may be enough to keep him from demanding a trade while frustration grows and his summer is filled with NBA guys and friends saying "you should be in Miami or wherever."
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Post#1106 » by RoteSchroder » Wed Jan 15, 2025 2:36 am

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Masai has never once included RJ when discussing our core. It's always been Scottie and IQ.


yeah, but all media members and staff talk and act like RJ is a part of the core and the Raptor's "big 3"

How do the rules work in terms of what Ujiri considers/doesn't consider as a core? does he need to explicitly say it or something?

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/rj-barrett-stats-canada-olympics-raptors/7b4ef7b0e3e292fd5cbc488f
Barrett recently turned 24 and, as indicated numerous times by team president Masai Ujiri, is a key piece of the Raptors core for the future.


I haven't listened to every interview, so I'm not sure when he only emphasizes IQ/Scottie and leaves out Barrett (do u got a link?), but was it during when they were signing new contracts?

From what I've heard, I think he's only explicitly mentioned building around Scottie. Not sure if he's ever said anything like "IQ is our core"



Looked it up:

Go to 14 minutes in and he makes his first mention of RJ and Quickley. Says IQ has "incredible upside" and speed and quickness and then remembers to add RJ, saying "Or RJ Barrett, we're trying to teach him to play in a different way and we think he's going to get better at it."

I think the advanced stats and logic suggest strongly that Quickley was seen as a quality PG (we paid him well as a result) who could take a ton of 3s and so be a nice fit with Barnes + another scorer.

As Masai's comments indicate, Barrett was seen as a reclamation project who was still 23 at the time of the trade. My guess is that being Canadian didn't hurt, and neither did DeMar having some similarities and him improving in his mid 20s and ultimately proving a good player and the trade chip that won us the title. If Barrett really improves, we've got a tougher decision to make. If he's the same empty calories type of no-defence, not efficient offense guy, then he'll be an expiring after this year of tanking and next year's season which I won't predict anything for other than that we pick in the top 18, we could be a play-in team or the 2nd worst team in the league (Flagg changes Washington or Utah, the other still worse than us). His bad money doesn't hurt us that badly while we're tanking.

I wish we'd gotten a first and a different overpaid guy instead, but maybe that offer wasn't on the table, there's really not that many bad contracts floating around in the 20-30M range at all.


That was right after the trade it seems..not sure if it has any bearing on the current perception that IQ = core and RJ = not core. Initially, RJ was seen as a throw in/salary filler by many ppl considering his low efficient style of play, although some fans did vouch for him.

Considering we've seen how valuable PoA guard defense is..I personally would put RJ above IQ atm. A no offense scrub like Davion Mitchell, backed up by Shead can make the game somewhat competitive through PoA defense alone. While RJ isn't that much better on defense, he at least has size, can rebound, and doesn't need to defend on-ball guards.

Even if we get a good 1-3 defender alongside RJ and IQ (e.g. Edgecombe), I'd ideally like at least 2 out of 3 of our PG/SG/SF to be good defenders and neither RJ/IQ really have good enough offense to be considered "must keep" players. Maybe Cooper Flagg is good enough to cover for both of them? I like Kasp atm though and subsequently solve defensive problems through other means. Silver better not f us over like last year.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#1107 » by ForeverTFC » Wed Jan 15, 2025 3:46 am

RoteSchroder wrote:
ForeverTFC wrote:
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I’m not used to being a front runner, so I’m fine with no Flagg. My sights are set on Kasparas atm, but I’m not sure Masai has the balls to move on from the current core (IQ, RJ) if necessary.


Masai has never once included RJ when discussing our core. It's always been Scottie and IQ.


yeah, but all media members and staff talk and act like RJ is a part of the core and the Raptor's "big 3"

How do the rules work in terms of what Ujiri considers/doesn't consider as a core? does he need to explicitly say it or something?

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/rj-barrett-stats-canada-olympics-raptors/7b4ef7b0e3e292fd5cbc488f
Barrett recently turned 24 and, as indicated numerous times by team president Masai Ujiri, is a key piece of the Raptors core for the future.


I haven't listened to every interview, so I'm not sure when he only emphasizes IQ/Scottie and leaves out Barrett (do u got a link?), but was it during when they were signing new contracts?

From what I've heard, I think he's only explicitly mentioned building around Scottie. Not sure if he's ever said anything like "IQ is our core"


It was either at the IQ/Scottie presser or media day presser. He said that we are building around Scottie and IQ, we think Scottie is special and we need another player like him to emerge - whether through the draft of internally.

I agree with you that some in the media and fanbase like to put RJ in there and I've gone on multiple rants about this. The FO has been transparent on who they consider as their core today.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#1108 » by Reeko » Wed Jan 15, 2025 4:32 am

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Son Goku 25 wrote:I think if it really came down to it, it would suck but Scottie would need to swallow his pride if we tank next season too. Either he comes in and says f it and I'm gonna go all out (which he should be anyways) and prove I'm good enough with current team or just continue as is and guarantee another potential star next season.

I'm sure SGA didn't feel great either but he's way better than Scottie and he put up with it, FO gotta deliver though and keep team sane without creating bad habits.


Not entirely out of the realm of possibility that getting a close friend of his in Mogbo was partly about this. We may be threading the needle and that plus sacrificing Darko may be enough to keep him from demanding a trade while frustration grows and his summer is filled with NBA guys and friends saying "you should be in Miami or wherever."

Lol Scottie asking for a trade would be ludicrous one year into his new extension. It would speak really badly of his character given how much the franchise has invested in him. He would be the poster child for everything wrong with this generation's players.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#1109 » by HumbleRen » Wed Jan 15, 2025 4:56 am

You should only be afraid of real franchise players leaving, not players of Scottie, Demar or Siakam caliber.

If he ask to leave because he couldn’t stomach a rebuild then leave lmao, says more about you than it does about the FO who believed in you.

I highly doubt he requests a trade, he knows what a rebuild entails, he’s close friends with Cade, he knows how long stretches of losing can look like but also what eventually winning after tough times can look like too. He’ll want what Franz, Green and Cade has. Turning the ship around while playing an integral part in that, there’s nothing sweeter than that as a franchise guy.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#1110 » by LoveMyRaps » Wed Jan 15, 2025 5:28 am

LoveMyRaps wrote:Did some research on any potential connection between Masai and Maluach... here's what I gathered... some interesting tidbits:

Masai has been instrumental in supporting the NBA Academy Africa program, where Maluach developed his skills.

Masai plays a significant role in the BAL as a board member and advocate for the league's growth.

Maluach participated in the BAL as part of the "BAL Elevate" program, which assigns NBA Academy prospects to BAL teams.

Keep in mind, Ulrich Chomche was the first BAL graduate to be drafted into the NBA - courtesy of Masai and the Raps.

Maluach played for the Senegalese team A.S. Douanes in the BAL.

Maluach & Masai had a personal interaction at the NBA All-Star Game, where Maluach greeted Masai near the court.
(source: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2024/03/28/duke-recruit-khaman-maluach-nba-academy-senegal/73095610007/)

Maluach's connection to the BAL through the "BAL Elevate" program showcases the league's role in developing young African talent. This aligns perfectly with Masai's vision for the BAL and African basketball development, creating a natural link between Masai's work and Maluach's progress.


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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#1111 » by S.W.A.N » Wed Jan 15, 2025 6:08 am

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Brinbe wrote:Jak def making a play for that third spot. Consistency is hard to ignore and we just saw that the team wasn't nearly the same without him.


I'm fairly comfortable with taking him over Harper..mainly cause I think he has a better jumper and higher b-ball IQ, which means we need a top 2 pick if anyone else is thinking the same


No one else is thinking that. Harper is clearly the number 2 guy in this draft. Jak is in that next tier with Bailey.
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Post#1112 » by DelAbbot » Wed Jan 15, 2025 6:10 am

Malauach with lottery pick? What is wrong with y'all? This ain't 2005.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#1113 » by DreamTeam09 » Wed Jan 15, 2025 7:26 am

Outside of Cooper or Ace n Harper, no1 else jumps off the page. Khaman is live anywhere after top 3 for us imo.
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Post#1114 » by Thaddy » Wed Jan 15, 2025 10:14 am

I would probably take Maluach before Jakucionis. Jakucionis has terrible finishing moves around the rim. He comes to a dead stop and then tries to use his size. Against lengthy defenders and strong interior defenses he's going to crumble. He looks more of a bench player than a starter. I don't see his defense holding up against explosive or big slashers.



This doesn't look that great to me. I'd rather have Maluach. He isn't getting into foul trouble, he's playing his role and we know he can do more than he's showing. That 3pt shot is waiting to be unlocked.

5 years after the draft I see the redraft ranking among the top 10 prospects looking something like this

1. Harper
2. Flagg
3. Johnson
4. Maluach
5. Bailey
6. Newell
7. Jakucionis
8. Fears
9. Edgecombe
10. Demin
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Post#1115 » by RoteSchroder » Wed Jan 15, 2025 10:16 am

S.W.A.N wrote:
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Brinbe wrote:Jak def making a play for that third spot. Consistency is hard to ignore and we just saw that the team wasn't nearly the same without him.


I'm fairly comfortable with taking him over Harper..mainly cause I think he has a better jumper and higher b-ball IQ, which means we need a top 2 pick if anyone else is thinking the same


No one else is thinking that. Harper is clearly the number 2 guy in this draft. Jak is in that next tier with Bailey.


Well the two guys who and1’d me could possibly have the same mindset, so they’d count for at least one other person.

Also this random guy in the youtube comments section:



bro is going 1st or second do you see his court vision? thats Luka Doncic Jokic type sht


So that’s at least 1-3 ppl in the world who think the same, not “no one else”. I’ll bet you his mom would take him over Dylan too.

But we’ll see how they turn out in a few years anyhow.
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Post#1116 » by Thaddy » Wed Jan 15, 2025 11:31 am

RoteSchroder wrote:
S.W.A.N wrote:
RoteSchroder wrote:
I'm fairly comfortable with taking him over Harper..mainly cause I think he has a better jumper and higher b-ball IQ, which means we need a top 2 pick if anyone else is thinking the same


No one else is thinking that. Harper is clearly the number 2 guy in this draft. Jak is in that next tier with Bailey.


Well the two guys who and1’d me could possibly have the same mindset, so they’d count for at least one other person.

Also this random guy in the youtube comments section:



bro is going 1st or second do you see his court vision? thats Luka Doncic Jokic type sht


So that’s at least 1-3 ppl in the world who think the same, not “no one else”. I’ll bet you his mom would take him over Dylan too.

But we’ll see how they turn out in a few years anyhow.

Harper has better finishing ability and he's a true 3 lvl scorer. JK is going to face serious issues against length and rim protectors. He drives and kicks like Fred because he can't finish well in college. He goes to a standstill and gets crowded. He can grow but right now he's a DDV and his ceiling won't be especially high. I would project him as a bench piece.

Harper has 2 way potential due to his physical traits. He has a huge wingspan which matters for closing out, deflections, finishing, and other aspects of basketball.
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Post#1117 » by Jstock12 » Wed Jan 15, 2025 11:44 am

LoveMyRaps wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:Did some research on any potential connection between Masai and Maluach... here's what I gathered... some interesting tidbits:

Masai has been instrumental in supporting the NBA Academy Africa program, where Maluach developed his skills.

Masai plays a significant role in the BAL as a board member and advocate for the league's growth.

Maluach participated in the BAL as part of the "BAL Elevate" program, which assigns NBA Academy prospects to BAL teams.

Keep in mind, Ulrich Chomche was the first BAL graduate to be drafted into the NBA - courtesy of Masai and the Raps.

Maluach played for the Senegalese team A.S. Douanes in the BAL.

Maluach & Masai had a personal interaction at the NBA All-Star Game, where Maluach greeted Masai near the court.
(source: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2024/03/28/duke-recruit-khaman-maluach-nba-academy-senegal/73095610007/)

Maluach's connection to the BAL through the "BAL Elevate" program showcases the league's role in developing young African talent. This aligns perfectly with Masai's vision for the BAL and African basketball development, creating a natural link between Masai's work and Maluach's progress.


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Man those are some weak ass screens though :lol: But yeah great finisher.
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Post#1118 » by Jstock12 » Wed Jan 15, 2025 11:52 am

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I'm fairly comfortable with taking him over Harper..mainly cause I think he has a better jumper and higher b-ball IQ, which means we need a top 2 pick if anyone else is thinking the same


No one else is thinking that. Harper is clearly the number 2 guy in this draft. Jak is in that next tier with Bailey.


Well the two guys who and1’d me could possibly have the same mindset, so they’d count for at least one other person.

Also this random guy in the youtube comments section:



bro is going 1st or second do you see his court vision? thats Luka Doncic Jokic type sht


So that’s at least 1-3 ppl in the world who think the same, not “no one else”. I’ll bet you his mom would take him over Dylan too.

But we’ll see how they turn out in a few years anyhow.

Bro is a gym rat too. It was confirmed he basically lives in the Illinois gym. Got asked in the interview and admitted that he wakes up, goes and practices in the gym, goes to 2 classes, then back to the gym to practice until late, and then drives home to sleep. Rinse repeat every day. It's similar to that psycho Kobe/Mamba mentality. His ceiling might be a topic of discussion, but all of that extra stuff like the winner mindset, desire to be great and actually putting the work in is all there.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#1119 » by Jstock12 » Wed Jan 15, 2025 12:06 pm

Perhaps this guy could be our own Chinese replica of Edey, like a really high-end fake Rolex.

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#1120 » by ATLTimekeeper » Wed Jan 15, 2025 12:41 pm

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S.W.A.N wrote:
No one else is thinking that. Harper is clearly the number 2 guy in this draft. Jak is in that next tier with Bailey.


Well the two guys who and1’d me could possibly have the same mindset, so they’d count for at least one other person.

Also this random guy in the youtube comments section:



bro is going 1st or second do you see his court vision? thats Luka Doncic Jokic type sht


So that’s at least 1-3 ppl in the world who think the same, not “no one else”. I’ll bet you his mom would take him over Dylan too.

But we’ll see how they turn out in a few years anyhow.

Harper has better finishing ability and he's a true 3 lvl scorer. JK is going to face serious issues against length and rim protectors. He drives and kicks like Fred because he can't finish well in college. He goes to a standstill and gets crowded. He can grow but right now he's a DDV and his ceiling won't be especially high. I would project him as a bench piece.

Harper has 2 way potential due to his physical traits. He has a huge wingspan which matters for closing out, deflections, finishing, and other aspects of basketball.


Dude, even as a junior DDV wasn't as good in a limited role relative to 18 year old Jak :lol: Either you didn't watch him play, or you just grabbed a white guy on the bench to make your point.

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