Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII

[pancakes3]

Yeah Bennett has no business going in the top 3 of any draft.

Waaaaaaaaay too many unanswered questions. I think he's a high risk, medium reward guy. He's a late lottery/mid 1st rounder IMO and even then, your still taking a risk.

So basically the same prospect that Shabazz is except one position "bigger".

[Dark Faze]

Chad Ford ‏@chadfordinsider 4m

Bennett 18lbs overweight rt now at 261lbs. A bit scary. Porter safer. Bennett more upside.

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Bennett's been injured & unable to workout. Combined with lots of travel & his body type, not a huge surprise he gained 18 pounds

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Ford's excuse aside, 261 lbs = 261 lbs. Undersized *and* overweight? Pass.

I said wow

[Dat2U]

Yeah Bennett has no business going in the top 3 of any draft.

Waaaaaaaaay too many unanswered questions. I think he's a high risk, medium reward guy. He's a late lottery/mid 1st rounder IMO and even then, your still taking a risk.

So basically the same prospect that Shabazz is except one position "bigger".

I don't see Shabazz as high risk as Bennett, but medium reward is probably right.

[The Consiglieri]

I have a question. What made lot of Wiz community overlook and miss Drummonds last season?

We did not over look him, Beal was the better all around player, and beal proved that he was the best option at that place in the draft for our team.

Drummand had a lot of red flag, and if he pans out fine, but he was taken probably where he should have been take.

Not at all. If GM's were given a redraft of '12 again today Drummond would go somewhere between 2 and 4, probably 3, possibly to. The idea that he went were he was supposed to with hindisght is crazyness. Guy had a #1 overall evaluation in November. Had an uneven season in big part due to instability in his life (didn't choose to play college until the end of the summer more than 6 months after most players had committed), also in part due to instability at UConn (no vet leadership with Walker and friends gone, guard play was horrible, Lamb's stock dropped from top 5 to out of top 10 for instance, rumors of probation, head coach being hounded into retirement).

And for those that flagged him, going over his logs, and even watching him, there was plenty of evidence that he was as good as advertised, and the negative campaign on him was nonsense beyond the terrible FT shooting. It was a terrible mistake by a ton of F.O.'s in terms of believing the negative talk about Drummond's attitude and work habits, and passion for the game.

Redraft that draft, and Drummond may not go #1 overall, but he isn't slipping past #3 or #4, and thinking 9 was where he belonged in retrospect is just wrong, and I'd go so far as saying it's wrong, even if he doesnt improve, or regresses from where he's at now.

As for the board. The board didn't like his issues on the offensive end, his terrible free throw shooting, his incredible inconsistency, and rumors that 1: he had a bad attitude 2. he didn't have passion for the game and 3. he was difficult to coach. After dealing with dumb, dumber and dumbest, and finally shedding the last of them pre-draft, there was no interest in investing in another questionable character.

As I said at the time one year ago this week, the Pistons got a massive steal yet again (like w,Monroe), when he dropped right into their laps.

[Rafael122]

Too many excuses on Twitter for AB, saying he hasn't been able to work out b/c he's injured. He could have hired a nutritionist to keep his weight in check, he could have rode a stationary bike. There's ways around it. Len broke his foot, he's working on his upper body.

[nate33]

Chad Ford ‏@chadfordinsider 4m

Bennett 18lbs overweight rt now at 261lbs. A bit scary. Porter safer. Bennett more upside.

https://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/sta ... 5132537856

Bennett's been injured & unable to workout. Combined with lots of travel & his body type, not a huge surprise he gained 18 pounds

https://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/sta ... 0949469188

Ford's excuse aside, 261 lbs = 261 lbs. Undersized *and* overweight? Pass.

I wonder how far he slips because of this. If a team picks him up in the 8-10 range, they might be getting a steal. But I agree that there are way too many red flags to consider him at #3.

My draft board remains the same. 1-Noel 2-Porter 3-Oladipo. No need to overthink this.

[Dark Faze]

There's literally no excuse for the weight gain and it's a huge red flag imo.

[Ruzious]

Too many excuses on Twitter for AB, saying he hasn't been able to work out b/c he's injured. He could have hired a nutritionist to keep his weight in check, he could have rode a stationary bike. There's ways around it. Len broke his foot, he's working on his upper body.

Right, it's just a shoulder injury - unless there's something in addition to his shoulder injury. That doesn't mean he can't exercise and eat smartly. It just limits the types of exercises he can do. Chad Ford saying there are excuses doesn't mean the excuses are valid. It appears that they're not valid.

[Rafael122]

I said this months ago regarding Len and Bennett, red flags b/c of injuries. They are going to miss summer league, and in Len's case, might be out until December. Not to mention foot issues on big men is a red flag. Look at Big Z.

W/Bennett, I wasn't fond of him as our pick at 7 or 8, and certainly not at 3. He's 21 pounds overweight, doesn't play defense. This is basically a lost year, I feel. It's going to take him months to get into shape, and then being a rookie in the NBA on top of that?

Porter is the safe pick, but the kid can end up being an elite defender to boot.

[LyricalRico]

My draft board remains the same. 1-Noel 2-Porter 3-Oladipo. No need to overthink this.

I was starting to consider Bennett about 10 days ago because of the offense, but was leaning against it because of the defense. This seals it - he's off my board completely at #3. I'm going with nate's list, and expecting Porter.

Porter is the safe pick, but the kid can end up being an elite defender to boot.

[jivelikenice]

Taking into account the weight with the other red flags (injuries, size, D), its easy to conclude to Otto > Bennett. That being said, the exaggeration to the weight is funny. If a guy has surgery and can't work out or lift, especially with his type of frame, he's going to put on weight. He can't lift! That muscle is turning to fat. If he gained 25 pounds I'd be scared....but on a stand-alone basis this is a very minor issue.

[jivelikenice]

Too many excuses on Twitter for AB, saying he hasn't been able to work out b/c he's injured. He could have hired a nutritionist to keep his weight in check, he could have rode a stationary bike. There's ways around it. Len broke his foot, he's working on his upper body.

Bennett had rotator cuff surgery and his arm was in a sling! He couldn't work out his upper body. You're comparing apples to organges....

[The Consiglieri]

No big difference here. The people that hated Bennett to begin with, hate him a little more with this Ford tweet. Color me surprised. Failure of discipline in the weight gain, but he isnt even remotely close to the first athlete to have weight issues following an injury. Not concerned about the issue. Still view him as a better prospect than Porter, period. Consider it unlikely that we'll take him, however, better guess is Porter or Len at #3 or trade down.

It does become tiresome to read some posters critiquing the players they don't want with both guns blazing then holster both when it comes to critiquing the player(s) they actually do like. Lets be a bit balanced here.

[Rafael122]

Too many excuses on Twitter for AB, saying he hasn't been able to work out b/c he's injured. He could have hired a nutritionist to keep his weight in check, he could have rode a stationary bike. There's ways around it. Len broke his foot, he's working on his upper body.

Bennett had rotator cuff surgery and his arm was in a sling! He couldn't work out his upper body. You're comparing apples to organges....

His playing weight is 240, he's at 261. So he's pretty close to that 25 pound mark. But this goes beyond him being overweight, the lack of defense is also a concern. The weight thing is just more icing on the cake.

Come on guys, have we learned NOTHING from the Blatche conditioning fiasco.

[Dat2U]

Taking into account the weight with the other red flags (injuries, size, D), its easy to conclude to Otto > Bennett. That being said, the exaggeration to the weight is funny. If a guy has surgery and can't work out or lift, especially with his type of frame, he's going to put on weight. He can't lift! That muscle is turning to fat. If he gained 25 pounds I'd be scared....but on a stand-alone basis this is a very minor issue.

So he's okay because he only gained 18 lbs instead of 25 lbs?

Are we grading on a curve now? There's no exaggeration going on IMO, its just continued confirmation that there's a major risk attached to drafting this kid.

[nate33]

I could understand a 5-10 pound weight gain, but 18-25 is ridiculous. He can still lift with his lower body and ride the bike. He can modify his calorie intake too. This is arguably the most important 3 months for him in determining his future as an NBA player and he can't even step back from the buffet table. That's a bad sign.

[verbal8]

Yeah Bennett has no business going in the top 3 of any draft.

Waaaaaaaaay too many unanswered questions. I think he's a high risk, medium reward guy. He's a late lottery/mid 1st rounder IMO and even then, your still taking a risk.

So basically the same prospect that Shabazz is except one position "bigger".

That was my thought before the draft lotto. The big problem I had with Shabazz at 8, was he had trouble with 2 PT% already in college. There are guys like Millsap and Bass who have been fairly successfully with games similar to Bennett. There really isn't a comparable SF to Shabazz. Possibly Gerald Wallace on offense, but that isn't really a good thing. It looks like some of the questions on Bennett - length, health, conditioning - have increased since then so they may be closer than I thought originally.

[Ruzious]

Taking into account the weight with the other red flags (injuries, size, D), its easy to conclude to Otto > Bennett. That being said, the exaggeration to the weight is funny. If a guy has surgery and can't work out or lift, especially with his type of frame, he's going to put on weight. He can't lift! That muscle is turning to fat. If he gained 25 pounds I'd be scared....but on a stand-alone basis this is a very minor issue.

Not being able to lift doesn't mean you gain weight. Losing muscle mass means you lose weight unless you lack discipline and/or intelligence with what you eat and drink.

[sfam]

No big difference here. The people that hated Bennett to begin with, hate him a little more with this Ford tweet. Color me surprised. Failure of discipline in the weight gain, but he isnt even remotely close to the first athlete to have weight issues following an injury. Not concerned about the issue. Still view him as a better prospect than Porter, period. Consider it unlikely that we'll take him, however, better guess is Porter or Len at #3 or trade down.

It does become tiresome to read some posters critiquing the players they don't want with both guns blazing then holster both when it comes to critiquing the player(s) they actually do like. Lets be a bit balanced here.

Agreed. This is clearly a concern that needs to be evaluated in terms of motivation, but I sort of agree with Chad Ford. The kid is an introvert, and is now doing something completely different that he has ever done right now with this tour around the country. And people here that consider anything about Bennett to be a big red flag being up in arms about this is silly. We've all pretty much staked out our positions - nobody is really objectively looking at this point.

[keynote]

I can understand why folks who were down on Bennett can point to the weight gain as further justification for concern. That makes sense. But for those on Team Bennett: an *18 lbs* fat gain causes no concern whatsoever? Really? For a guy that's already a little undersized and who will need to rely on explosiveness to compensate? Not even an arched eyebrow?