Giannis' Development

[H2tObes]

Might as well post it now I guess lol. I made a highlight mix of Giannis' season. Had to change clips/music a few times for copyright crap but whatever.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIScDLTJewQ[/youtube]

Very well made and love the music choice

[turbostef]

http://www.eurohoops.net/el/backstage-el/231586/to-iraklio-o-protos-stathmos-enos-magikou-taxidiou-video

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[Prez]

Might as well post it now I guess lol. I made a highlight mix of Giannis' season. Had to change clips/music a few times for copyright crap but whatever.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIScDLTJewQ[youtube]

Very well made and love the music choice

Thanks man!

[HKPackFan]

I guess I just wanted him working on shooting jumpers all day and improving his handle. They are the most important things for him this summer. I understand he wants to play for Greece but I know he also wants to dominate the NBA.

He can't do that in Greece? Not trying to be a dick. Actual question.

[Prince12]

I guess I just wanted him working on shooting jumpers all day and improving his handle. They are the most important things for him this summer. I understand he wants to play for Greece but I know he also wants to dominate the NBA.

He can't do that in Greece? Not trying to be a dick. Actual question.

Absolutely not taken that way but imo if he is with the Greek team all summer then he will be in training camps and practicing with the team rather then honing his own individual game.
To me there's a massive difference but I can understand why he wants to play for his country.

[Prez]

I don't doubt that he'll work hard on his individual skills even if he plays with the NT, but I think there's just no way he'll be able to spend as much time on it as he would if he focused on it exclusively. I mean he supposedly worked a ton on his shot this past summer..saw how that turned out. He needs a ton of individual work, and that's not being maxed if he does NT stuff imo. He doesn't need more game action, he's going into his 4th year and he knows what's expected of him in games and what's needed to win. He needs the skill base to go out there and make it happen.

[DrWood]

The thing that surprises me is that his turnover rate hardly went up when he was given more ball-handling opportunities (2.5 before all star game to 2.8 per game after all star game) while his assists went up from 2.8 to 7.2 per game. So, about 2.5 A/TO after the break, which is exceptional for anyone who isn't a really good point guard.

[ZeppelinPage]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/4g8vuo/impromptu_sunday_nbaonly_ama_w_simmons/d2fj50m

Well, at least Giannis is a "close close close third" behind Wiggins. Earlier in the year he stated Giannis wasn't going to be anywhere near him.

Bill Simmons still clowning around.

[Prez]

Can't blame him for being on salt overdose like every other C's fan after Ainge passed him up for Kelly freaking Olynyk.


Interesting to me..Giannis shot 34% from 3PT on 2.2 attempts a game in the last month. 42% on 2.6 attempts in the last 10 games. It could be that he just got hot at the end, but I'm not so sure, I don't think it's a coincidence that he started shooting it effectively as soon as he started letting it fly with more confidence.

[blazza18]

Simmons was pretty high on Giannis on his over/under nba preview podcast. Mentioned McGrady type scoring leap from him. Weird how he hasn't gone allllll in with it.

[H2tObes]

I think 95% of Wolves fans on RealGM would put Giannis ahead of Wiggins. Simmons is trying to save face for saying Wiggins vs. Giannis isn't even close a year ago, that statement looks more foolish every day. It's like saying you would take a young DeMar DeRozan over a young Westbrook

[thomchatt3rton]

I don't doubt that he'll work hard on his individual skills even if he plays with the NT, but I think there's just no way he'll be able to spend as much time on it as he would if he focused on it exclusively. I mean he supposedly worked a ton on his shot this past summer..saw how that turned out. He needs a ton of individual work, and that's not being maxed if he does NT stuff imo. He doesn't need more game action, he's going into his 4th year and he knows what's expected of him in games and what's needed to win. He needs the skill base to go out there and make it happen.

I don't mean to single you out, I'm using your post as a jump off...

I call BS on the "young players who play for their NTs hurt their development" fallacy. As far as I can tell, there's no reason to keep on acting as if this were automatically true.

I want to see statistical proof that young players who don't play for their NTs in the summer develop at a higher rate than those that do. Really, the burden of proof is on the people who insist that his development hinges on staying around the US, because nobody who is in favor of NT play is suggesting it's a superior way to develop. So let's see some facts.

As far as his work last summer and his shot this year, it seems to me his shot started to look better after the ASG and after Kidd supposedly gave him free reign to launch 3s. That might lead one to conclude that "working a ton on his shot last summer" had a nominal effect on his shot, and it was the experience and growing confidence of taking over as PG and his coach's instructions that were really the important factors. One could see that as a point scored for NT play. Maybe.

And in terms of Giannis not needing more game action, I'd argue that playing an increased role for the NT this summer could be like his increased role for the Bucks was post-ASG. (this is providing Greece gives him an expanded role of course).

Not all game action experience is the same- would you count pre-ASG Giannis game-action experience the same as post-ASG Giannis experience? Would Larry Drew Giannis game-action experience count as equivalent to either? Of course not.

This idea that staying here and working out being unequivocably better for development than playing for a NT just seems way too cut-and-dried for my apprehension.

[blazza18]

I just want him to rest after playing non stop basketball for the last 18 months. It's that simple.

[Nightfall]

Some more pics from the event in Crete:

http://www.sport-fm.gr/article/basket/fate-matia/3161042

[Shaffty]

I don't doubt that he'll work hard on his individual skills even if he plays with the NT, but I think there's just no way he'll be able to spend as much time on it as he would if he focused on it exclusively. I mean he supposedly worked a ton on his shot this past summer..saw how that turned out. He needs a ton of individual work, and that's not being maxed if he does NT stuff imo. He doesn't need more game action, he's going into his 4th year and he knows what's expected of him in games and what's needed to win. He needs the skill base to go out there and make it happen.

I don't mean to single you out, I'm using your post as a jump off...

I call BS on the "young players who play for their NTs hurt their development" fallacy. As far as I can tell, there's no reason to keep on acting as if this were automatically true.

I want to see statistical proof that young players who don't play for their NTs in the summer develop at a higher rate than those that do. Really, the burden of proof is on the people who insist that his development hinges on staying around the US, because nobody who is in favor of NT play is suggesting it's a superior way to develop. So let's see some facts.

As far as his work last summer and his shot this year, it seems to me his shot started to look better after the ASG and after Kidd supposedly gave him free reign to launch 3s. That might lead one to conclude that "working a ton on his shot last summer" had a nominal effect on his shot, and it was the experience and growing confidence of taking over as PG and his coach's instructions that were really the important factors. One could see that as a point scored for NT play. Maybe.

And in terms of Giannis not needing more game action, I'd argue that playing an increased role for the NT this summer could be like his increased role for the Bucks was post-ASG. (this is providing Greece gives him an expanded role of course).

Not all game action experience is the same- would you count pre-ASG Giannis game-action experience the same as post-ASG Giannis experience? Would Larry Drew Giannis game-action experience count as equivalent to either? Of course not.

This idea that staying here and working out being unequivocably better for development than playing for a NT just seems way too cut-and-dried for my apprehension.

Its a well known fact that NBA players, well the good ones, use the off season for targeted drills and thats when they improve their game the most.

They are not flying around the country playing NBA games and spending time prepping for games like during the NBA season, they just work. They can just go to a nice city like LA or some random beach city, Bring a trainer and just work. WOrk on their shot, work on their defense, their dribbling, their passing.

The offseason is the MOST valuable time in an NBA players career and to spend it learning teammates you won't play with, in an offense you wont run, against international players you wont play.

It is, at the least, less productive than if he was just staying in the US, went to LA for a few weeks and worked with KD/RW and went to Miami for a bit to work with Lebron. Than spent the rest of the summer in Milwaukee working out with Jabari/Kidd/Suki?

[M-C-G]

Might as well post it now I guess lol. I made a highlight mix of Giannis' season. Had to change clips/music a few times for copyright crap but whatever.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIScDLTJewQ[/youtube]

Milbuck, if you make these, and I believe you do, I just want to seriously say thank you. I look forward to these so much, you have no idea. I mean, I can and 1 it, but just really want to make sure you know how much I really appreciate the work you put into these.

And did I miss the Lopez swat or did you?

[yannisk]

WOrk on their shot, work on their defense, their dribbling, their passing.

I can understand the shot, dribbling part, but can you effectively work passing and defense with just a trainer?

Personally I prefer Giannis to abstain from NT this year. But I don't consider it such a big thing either way. There are 6 months till the start of the nba season. Let's say that he will spend 1.5 month with the NT. Even if we accept that he won't do the optimal training during this time it will not be a complete waste. He will play some meaningful games, get some input from another coach, train with some players, pass the ball to a teammate or defend an opponent instead of a trainer, and he will have the time to shoot the ball in an empty gym as well.

[Chapter29]

And spend unnecessary energy learning a new system with new players risking injury and in general being overworked. This energy is better spent training and well not spent resting.

[Buck Dweller]

I think 95% of Wolves fans on RealGM would put Giannis ahead of Wiggins. Simmons is trying to save face for saying Wiggins vs. Giannis isn't even close a year ago, that statement looks more foolish every day. It's like saying you would take a young DeMar DeRozan over a young Westbrook

yeah at this point, you're not thinking objectively if you take Wiggins over Giannis. there's just not even a case to be made there.

[Nightfall]

WTF, Giannis injured !?

http://tinyurl.com/Ante-Injury


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