Trade & FA Ideas & Discussion #5: A Serving of Irving?

[matt131]

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Is this some cryptic message? Is Reed packing his bags?

lol what in the world does that even mean haha


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His Twitter Account does not mention the Suns... Very Interesting...

Did it ever? I don't know


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[Walt_Uoob]

I'm partly glad Irving is lowering his value by saying he won't commit but also worried it means he considers himself a Lebron-level star and will only sign 1- or 2-year deals and try to force the team's hand every summer. I don't want to deal with that, not for him anyway.

[Saberestar]

lol what in the world does that even mean haha


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Never.

[BobbieL]

lol what in the world does that even mean haha


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Maybe it means punching bag for a workout

Gambo was saying the Suns were very high on Reed. Probably not in the deal for Kyrie

[Jarlaxle0204]

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Is this some cryptic message? Is Reed packing his bags?

lol what in the world does that even mean haha


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He's looking for a bag of chips clearly. Knows Kyrie is coming here for nothing and wants to sit back with a snack and watch the fireworks.

[harshey1388]

His Twitter Account does not mention the Suns... Very Interesting...

Did it ever? I don't know


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Maybe it means punching bag for a workout

Gambo was saying the Suns were very high on Reed. Probably not in the deal for Kyrie

I'd slap the taste out of McD's mouth if only Reed was the hold up.

[LukasBMW]

Regarding the "bad contracts" the Cavs have...who would they really want to dump with Kyrie?

Lebron - No. LOL.
Love @ $22m/3 is a crucial piece. No way they trade him unless they get Blake/Cousins/etc back.
TT @ $16m/3 was a Lebron signing.
JR @ $13/3 isn't too bad plus he has played well for them
Shump @ $10m/2 isn't too bad
Frye @ 7/1 is an expiring and gives them a stretch 5.

I don't see them dumping/swaping TT or Frye for Chandler. TT is better and younger. Frye gives them the ability to stretch the floor when Love isn't playing the 5.

JR and Shump are serviceable wings. We don't have any decent wings to give back to them except maybe TJ who I don't want to trade.

[Gorilla Warfare]

Bledsoe/Warren/Chandler/whats left of Knight/MIA pick for Kyrie/Love/Frye (or Jefferson, or Shump). Both teams get worse, but at least this situation is all over and we can move on with our summers.

[Fo-Real]

I am not being a dick about anything. You are being a dick.

I just don't see ray ray as some super hero, like some of you do.

I enjoy his posts but in no way shape or form do I think he has more info than what we get from many other sources.

Just answer my question.

What trade has he predicted correctly in recent memory?

Oh, you can't.

Let's just move on.

To some of us, Rays posts are comforting. Dont know if he is legit, but some of us really like when he chimes in on what he says he has heard. Its annoying to hear people complain about it. In his posts he gives info and also tells of fluid situations, never "hey, this is what is about to happen", just this is the subject of conversation with the team. Things evolve and some dont, not keeping score, but I appreciate his posts and hate reading people attacking anyone over this dumb ****.

We constantly question the validity of information that comes to this board, even if it is from credentialed sports writers. That is what we do. Usually if someone boasts about some information that has not been published, we ask for a link.

I am not attacking anyone. That is not my intention at all.

However, I do not appreciate your personal attack on me.

To repeat, I enjoy Ray Ray's posts. I just do not think he is the super insider that some people believe.

If he is, give me a link.

So, your post wasnt an attack, but you feel attacked, CHECK!! I didnt realize what I said could possibly feel like an attack, and still dont. Simply saying I would rather read Rays post than the posts of all of the out loud doubters. Didnt know that would invade you safe space.

[SideSwipe]

The play here is to setup a counteroffer with a different winning team for Bledsoe's services and let the Cavs know about it. A Spurs offer for Bledsoe needs to be made.

Something like Bled/Chriss for LMA/Murray/pick should be floated to put some pressure on the Cavs to know that they are not the only destination that the Suns are looking at for Bledsoe to send him to a winner. It will help force CLE's hand a little bit. While CLE wants a bluechip young player, what they really want this year is Bledsoe's defense. He's the one that will help them this year more than any other guard that's available on the trade market right now.

[Fo-Real]

The longer this drags on, the more im like, just tell the Cavs to pound sand and either keep Bled or trade him away to someone else for prospects like Denver if possible out of sheer spite!!

[denial]

Besides, it would be fun watching Bledsoe in the finals next year if the Cavs make it. He seems like a good dude. Might as well give him a shot.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

The longer this drags on, the more im like, just tell the Cavs to pound sand and either keep Bled or trade him away to someone else for prospects like Denver if possible out of sheer spite!!

I want to do the same, but out of perceived self-interest, not spite.

[NavLDO]

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/08/02/report-kyrie-irving-not-ready-to-commit-to-any-team-that-trades-for-him/

I still say 95% he bolts. Pass.

There's no way to determine that right now; absolute zero. Let's say we trade for Kyrie, and it's our 2018 Top 5 protected pick, Bledsoe, and Chriss, for argument sake (if there is news to the otherwise, sorry, I don't have time to keep up with every development).

Jackson comes out next year and has a great rookie season, as does Reed; Warren, Booker, Bender, and Ulis progress, and we make it to the 7th/8th seed, compete hard, then sign a good, young FA (pick one)...or heck, we don't need to because everyone surprises...maybe Bender and Sauce combine to form a stud duo at the 5, and Warren, with his new found bulk/height (he's what, almost 6'10", 245??), has a nice 16/7 year at PF, and Jackson just goes nuts at SF, Booker puts up a 22/5/4 year, and Kyrie has one of his best years. Why wouldn't he consider staying? Boom, we're on our way to our rebuild now, and attracting talent.

On the other hand, everything remains about status quo. We have another poor year and Irving does ok. Irving has a year left on his deal. We draft a PG in late the Lottery or 20s, and trade Irving to an up-and-coming contender for a lotto pick and a salary, no harm/ no foul. We still have Warren, Booker, Bender, Jackson, Ulis, Sauce, Reed, Peters, Miami's pick, and whoever we can trade Kyrie for, a pick or player. All is not lost.

I'd rather try, than go through another year, with our brightest hope for the future being our next year's draft pick; it certainly doesn't slow us down much, if any.

[BobbieL]

Regarding the "bad contracts" the Cavs have...who would they really want to dump with Kyrie?

Lebron - No. LOL.
Love @ $22m/3 is a crucial piece. No way they trade him unless they get Blake/Cousins/etc back.
TT @ $16m/3 was a Lebron signing.
JR @ $13/3 isn't too bad plus he has played well for them
Shump @ $10m/2 isn't too bad
Frye @ 7/1 is an expiring and gives them a stretch 5.

I don't see them dumping/swaping TT or Frye for Chandler. TT is better and younger. Frye gives them the ability to stretch the floor when Love isn't playing the 5.

JR and Shump are serviceable wings. We don't have any decent wings to give back to them except maybe TJ who I don't want to trade.

Shumpert for Dudley or Chandler
take on Frye or RJ - saves them a boat load of money

[mab2039]

Regarding the "bad contracts" the Cavs have...who would they really want to dump with Kyrie?

Lebron - No. LOL.
Love @ $22m/3 is a crucial piece. No way they trade him unless they get Blake/Cousins/etc back.
TT @ $16m/3 was a Lebron signing.
JR @ $13/3 isn't too bad plus he has played well for them
Shump @ $10m/2 isn't too bad
Frye @ 7/1 is an expiring and gives them a stretch 5.

I don't see them dumping/swaping TT or Frye for Chandler. TT is better and younger. Frye gives them the ability to stretch the floor when Love isn't playing the 5.

JR and Shump are serviceable wings. We don't have any decent wings to give back to them except maybe TJ who I don't want to trade.

Shumpert for Dudley or Chandler
take on Frye or RJ - saves them a boat load of money

I know you keep saying it, but the above trade you mentioned does not save them money nor does it make any sense. I dont think they are looking to trade RJ or Frye, they are being paid peanuts compared to other players around the league. And they bring vast experience and veteran leadership. Shumpert is a dead weight to them, i agree on that. Dudley and Chandler is not worth their contract considering their age and Cleveland has no use for them.
BTW Gilbert is not looking for savings, he is one of the very few owners who would go balls to the walls for championships.

[jredsaz]

(Edited) Here's a trade rumor New Yorker' s were going back and forth on Reddit:

Phx out:
Eric Bledsoe, Tyson Chandler,

Phx in:
Frank ntilikina, channing frye

Houston out:
Ryan Anderson, Trevor ariza

Houston in:
Carmelo anthony, Richard jefferson

New York out:
Carmelo anthony, Frank Ntilikina, 1st round pick

New York in:
Kyrie irving, Ryan Anderson

Cleveland out:
Kyrie irving, Richard jefferson, channing frye

Cleveland in:
Eric Bledsoe, Tyson Chandler, Trevor ariza, 2018 1st round pick pick/knicks

*I thought it looked decent initially (albeit just a rumor) but good Call on Ryan Anderson, he was on the wrong team, lol. I typed it by memory and put him in the wrong spot! ...sorry! ...I didn't bother with the math, but someone said it works.

Frank signed on July 5th...

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Is this some cryptic message? Is Reed packing his bags?

lol what in the world does that even mean haha


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His Twitter Account does not mention the Suns... Very Interesting...

Noticed that too. It's all Miami pics

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[Christine-In-AZ]

Bledsoe could bolt in 2 years as well.

What assets are the Suns giving up in this scenario?

[Saberestar]

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