2019 Draft Thread Volume #6 - Post Lottery

[JimmyJammer]

According to this article, apparently, 9 out of 10 mock drafts have the Bulls picking Coby White at 7, which is the closest to a consensus that you are going to find outside of the top 3 picks. If you are a Bulls fan and you happen to not like White for any reason, you better hold on to your Bible and start praying for another team to pick him before 7. I, on the other hand, have no problem with this turn of events.

Looks like the Bulls might be going for a point guard with the No. 7 pick, if our prognosticators are correct. That point guard would be North Carolina’s Coby White, who heads to Chicago in nine of our 10 mock drafts. The Bulls have Kris Dunn already, but they may not be sold on him as their long-term solution at the point.

https://www.nba.com/draft/2019/consensus-mock-draft

Only problem with this is that White is rumored to have a Top 6 promise.

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I would not be surprised if the Bulls organization are behind that top 6 leaked story to avoid being exposed like last year again. It's fair to say the Lakers control the draft from 4 and down. They get Garland, Phoenix gets White; they get Hunter and we get White.

[cjbulls]

According to this article, apparently, 9 out of 10 mock drafts have the Bulls picking Coby White at 7, which is the closest to a consensus that you are going to find outside of the top 3 picks. If you are a Bulls fan and you happen to not like White for any reason, you better hold on to your Bible and start praying for another team to pick him before 7. I, on the other hand, have no problem with this turn of events.

Looks like the Bulls might be going for a point guard with the No. 7 pick, if our prognosticators are correct. That point guard would be North Carolina’s Coby White, who heads to Chicago in nine of our 10 mock drafts. The Bulls have Kris Dunn already, but they may not be sold on him as their long-term solution at the point.

https://www.nba.com/draft/2019/consensus-mock-draft

Maybe the Bulls would draft Coby White, maybe not. But a lot of these mocks have him going to Chicago because of lazy thinking.

The Bulls need a PG + Garland is off the board = Bulls draft Coby White. That's it.

I knew this would happen post-lottery, and I hate how boring it's made a lot of the pre-draft analysis.

Well Pax seemed imply that a PG gets priority if they are on the same tier:

“I think if you’re looking at comparable guys in a tier, sometimes need takes precedent over (best player available),” Paxson said. “And I’ve talked to our entire group about keeping an open mind on things like that this year."

Given that Hunter and Culver would likely be gone in a situation where White is available, it probably doesn't matter if they are on the same tier. But if it goes Hunter, Garland, Culver go in some order, as expected, White is almost certainly the pick. He's either the best player left on that high tier, or he's a tier below and then get priority as the PG. It's hard to see a situation where other available players are a tier above as well, outside of maybe Reddish which feels like a stretch.

I suppose if Reddish breaks into the top 6, then either Hunter or Culver would be available with White. That would be the only situation where White may not be taken by the Bulls outside of him being selected earlier.

[cjbulls]

According to this article, apparently, 9 out of 10 mock drafts have the Bulls picking Coby White at 7, which is the closest to a consensus that you are going to find outside of the top 3 picks. If you are a Bulls fan and you happen to not like White for any reason, you better hold on to your Bible and start praying for another team to pick him before 7. I, on the other hand, have no problem with this turn of events.

Looks like the Bulls might be going for a point guard with the No. 7 pick, if our prognosticators are correct. That point guard would be North Carolina’s Coby White, who heads to Chicago in nine of our 10 mock drafts. The Bulls have Kris Dunn already, but they may not be sold on him as their long-term solution at the point.

https://www.nba.com/draft/2019/consensus-mock-draft

Only problem with this is that White is rumored to have a Top 6 promise.

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BTW why haven't we heard any updates about these promises for Garland/White yet? Aren't teams scheduling individual workouts? It seems like word should have leaked one way or the other.

[Proven_Winner]

According to this article, apparently, 9 out of 10 mock drafts have the Bulls picking Coby White at 7, which is the closest to a consensus that you are going to find outside of the top 3 picks. If you are a Bulls fan and you happen to not like White for any reason, you better hold on to your Bible and start praying for another team to pick him before 7. I, on the other hand, have no problem with this turn of events.



https://www.nba.com/draft/2019/consensus-mock-draft

Only problem with this is that White is rumored to have a Top 6 promise.

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I would not be surprised if the Bulls organization are behind that top 6 leaked story to avoid being exposed like last year again. It's fair to say the Lakers control the draft from 4 and down. They get Garland, Phoenix gets White; they get Hunter and we get White.

I don’t get it how does a top 6 promise benefit the Bulls? There’s nothing said by Paxson that we’re indefinitely picking a point guard in the draft. Especially when PG needs the most help on our team so we need vets not more young guys.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

According to this article, apparently, 9 out of 10 mock drafts have the Bulls picking Coby White at 7, which is the closest to a consensus that you are going to find outside of the top 3 picks. If you are a Bulls fan and you happen to not like White for any reason, you better hold on to your Bible and start praying for another team to pick him before 7. I, on the other hand, have no problem with this turn of events.



https://www.nba.com/draft/2019/consensus-mock-draft

Maybe the Bulls would draft Coby White, maybe not. But a lot of these mocks have him going to Chicago because of lazy thinking.

The Bulls need a PG + Garland is off the board = Bulls draft Coby White. That's it.

I knew this would happen post-lottery, and I hate how boring it's made a lot of the pre-draft analysis.

Well Pax seemed imply that a PG gets priority if they are on the same tier:

“I think if you’re looking at comparable guys in a tier, sometimes need takes precedent over (best player available),” Paxson said. “And I’ve talked to our entire group about keeping an open mind on things like that this year."

Given that Hunter and Culver would likely be gone in a situation where White is available, it probably doesn't matter if they are on the same tier. But if it goes Hunter, Garland, Culver go in some order, as expected, White is almost certainly the pick. He's either the best player left on that high tier, or he's a tier below and then get priority as the PG. It's hard to see a situation where other available players are a tier above as well, outside of maybe Reddish which feels like a stretch.

I suppose if Reddish breaks into the top 6, then either Hunter or Culver would be available with White. That would be the only situation where White may not be taken by the Bulls outside of him being selected earlier.

Would I be surprised if they drafted White? Hell no. But the certainty that he'd be the pick if available is a little misplaced, I think.

Yes, the Bulls need a PG, and yes, Pax said he may prioritize need among candidates in the same tier, but that isn't an insight into how they see White as a prospect.

[kulaz3000]

I think it's way too early for accurate mock drafts, I think once the Finals is over, is when things will really ramp up, and you'll see more accurate predictions.

I really don't know why, but I have this strange hunch that Reddish is going top 6.

[cjbulls]

Very deep dive on the shooting mechanics of the PGs from The Stepien. Hope you have an hour (or more) available!

https://www.thestepien.com/2019/05/23/2019-guard-class-pull-shot-versatility-functionality-gravity/

Quick summary: There's enough positives and negatives for each of the top 3 PGs. He seems prefers White to Garland to Ja, but this is just about shot mechanics potential! Carsen Edwards gets the best review near the end.

[Am2626]

This is the mock draft before the start of the college season. It’s funny how so much can change in 1 year. 7 of the top 9 pojected picks will be available for the Bulls at 7. In my opinion getting rid of the one and done rule is a big mistake. If anything it should be raised to 2 years. Expect a lot of projects and busts once high school kids can jump straight to the NBA.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2789663-way-too-soon-2019-nba-mock-draft-rj-barrett-early-favorite-to-go-no-1.amp.html

[Red Larrivee]

According to this article, apparently, 9 out of 10 mock drafts have the Bulls picking Coby White at 7, which is the closest to a consensus that you are going to find outside of the top 3 picks. If you are a Bulls fan and you happen to not like White for any reason, you better hold on to your Bible and start praying for another team to pick him before 7. I, on the other hand, have no problem with this turn of events.



https://www.nba.com/draft/2019/consensus-mock-draft

Only problem with this is that White is rumored to have a Top 6 promise.

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I would not be surprised if the Bulls organization are behind that top 6 leaked story to avoid being exposed like last year again. It's fair to say the Lakers control the draft from 4 and down. They get Garland, Phoenix gets White; they get Hunter and we get White.

It's possible, but they really don't have the leverage to do that since another PG-needy team in Phoenix picks ahead of them.

[johnnyvann840]

This is the mock draft before the start of the college season. It’s funny how so much can change in 1 year. 7 of the top 9 pojected picks will be available for the Bulls at 7. In my opinion getting rid of the one and done rule is a big mistake. If anything it should be raised to 2 years. Expect a lot of projects and busts once high school kids can jump straight to the NBA.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2789663-way-too-soon-2019-nba-mock-draft-rj-barrett-early-favorite-to-go-no-1.amp.html

So true. This miss rate is already so high and the best players are getting spread around these drafts so much already. Just wait until the one and done rule is gone. The NBA needs a "minor league" badly. A place where these children (I mean a college freshman is still just a child as it is) can park for a year or two and learn a little about life and basketball before getting that big payday. I know the NBA has talked about making the GLeague more of that type of thing.

It's going to get bad and even harder to evaluate what are just kids, basically, even more so. Draft is going to become just darts at a board for all but the clear cut superstar like Lebron. He's the only player that has been in the last couple of decades that it was crystal CLEAR he was going to be a superstar when he was in high school. Derrick Rose was about as close as you can get when he was a high schooler and he wasn't even the clear cut pick over Beasley in that draft after his freshman year at Memphis and he did nothing to hurt his stock.

[DanTown8587]

This is the mock draft before the start of the college season. It’s funny how so much can change in 1 year. 7 of the top 9 pojected picks will be available for the Bulls at 7. In my opinion getting rid of the one and done rule is a big mistake. If anything it should be raised to 2 years. Expect a lot of projects and busts once high school kids can jump straight to the NBA.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2789663-way-too-soon-2019-nba-mock-draft-rj-barrett-early-favorite-to-go-no-1.amp.html

So true. This miss rate is already so high and the best players are getting spread around these drafts so much already. Just wait until the one and done rule is gone. The NBA needs a "minor league" badly. A place where these children (I mean a college freshman is still just a child as it is) can park for a year or two and learn a little about life and basketball before getting that big payday. I know the NBA has talked about making the GLeague more of that type of thing.

It's going to get bad and even harder to evaluate what are just kids, basically, even more so. Draft is going to become just darts at a board for all but the clear cut superstar like Lebron. He's the only player that has been in the last couple of decades that it was crystal CLEAR he was going to be a superstar when he was in high school. Derrick Rose was about as close as you can get when he was a high schooler and he wasn't even the clear cut pick over Beasley in that draft after his freshman year at Memphis and he did nothing to hurt his stock.

And as good as Derrick was, if the Bulls had that pick, OJ Mayo was "higher rated" by seven of the eight recruiting firms and was a much "bigger" name at the time so why the league is better off with HS in the game has never been made clear to me. Someone will say it's the "right" or "fair" thing to do but then I laugh that these rookies can't choose their team OR their salary yet we care about fairness.

Long said the G-League needs to be similar to premier league were 16/17 can go play there and we figure it out for them both financially and academically. It should not be a hard to ask for D1 schools to keep a small number of student positions open for kids who play in the NBA minor leagues and who through injury or lack of talent, don't make it to the league. Have their tuition paid for by the owners post playing. Seems like a win-win.

[Jvaughn]

This is the mock draft before the start of the college season. It’s funny how so much can change in 1 year. 7 of the top 9 pojected picks will be available for the Bulls at 7. In my opinion getting rid of the one and done rule is a big mistake. If anything it should be raised to 2 years. Expect a lot of projects and busts once high school kids can jump straight to the NBA.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2789663-way-too-soon-2019-nba-mock-draft-rj-barrett-early-favorite-to-go-no-1.amp.html

There's a good 5-10 names I don't even recognize there. Hilarious.

[kulaz3000]

This is the mock draft before the start of the college season. It’s funny how so much can change in 1 year. 7 of the top 9 pojected picks will be available for the Bulls at 7. In my opinion getting rid of the one and done rule is a big mistake. If anything it should be raised to 2 years. Expect a lot of projects and busts once high school kids can jump straight to the NBA.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2789663-way-too-soon-2019-nba-mock-draft-rj-barrett-early-favorite-to-go-no-1.amp.html

So true. This miss rate is already so high and the best players are getting spread around these drafts so much already. Just wait until the one and done rule is gone. The NBA needs a "minor league" badly. A place where these children (I mean a college freshman is still just a child as it is) can park for a year or two and learn a little about life and basketball before getting that big payday. I know the NBA has talked about making the GLeague more of that type of thing.

It's going to get bad and even harder to evaluate what are just kids, basically, even more so. Draft is going to become just darts at a board for all but the clear cut superstar like Lebron. He's the only player that has been in the last couple of decades that it was crystal CLEAR he was going to be a superstar when he was in high school. Derrick Rose was about as close as you can get when he was a high schooler and he wasn't even the clear cut pick over Beasley in that draft after his freshman year at Memphis and he did nothing to hurt his stock.

I think the main reason why they are lowering the age limit is help the G-League. I think eventually, they want a G-league team for each franchise, and to start building up the talent pool in that league, so it becomes a legitimate farming league, which I think overtime will happen.

The G-league is already working quite well, but once there are younger prospects coming into the league, it will only help the league that much more with more talent, albeit more raw talent.

[DuckIII]

I would not be surprised if the Bulls organization are behind that top 6 leaked story to avoid being exposed like last year again. It's fair to say the Lakers control the draft from 4 and down. They get Garland, Phoenix gets White; they get Hunter and we get White.

I don’t follow. Is your theory that the Bulls might have invented the “top 6 promise” so that when they draft him at 7 people will be surprised? Which benefits the Bulls how?

I don’t understand.

[BigUps]

I think it's way too early for accurate mock drafts, I think once the Finals is over, is when things will really ramp up, and you'll see more accurate predictions.

I really don't know why, but I have this strange hunch that Reddish is going top 6.

I think you hunch is right. I also think things get really clear once teams bring players in for workouts.

In short, there will be a ton of leaks and tidbits we can put together soon enough to figure out how things will fall early in the draft. After about pick 7-8 its a crapshoot though. Always is.

[BigUps]

According to this article, apparently, 9 out of 10 mock drafts have the Bulls picking Coby White at 7, which is the closest to a consensus that you are going to find outside of the top 3 picks. If you are a Bulls fan and you happen to not like White for any reason, you better hold on to your Bible and start praying for another team to pick him before 7. I, on the other hand, have no problem with this turn of events.

Looks like the Bulls might be going for a point guard with the No. 7 pick, if our prognosticators are correct. That point guard would be North Carolina’s Coby White, who heads to Chicago in nine of our 10 mock drafts. The Bulls have Kris Dunn already, but they may not be sold on him as their long-term solution at the point.

https://www.nba.com/draft/2019/consensus-mock-draft

Maybe the Bulls would draft Coby White, maybe not. But a lot of these mocks have him going to Chicago because of lazy thinking.

The Bulls need a PG + Garland is off the board = Bulls draft Coby White. That's it.

I knew this would happen post-lottery, and I hate how boring it's made a lot of the pre-draft analysis.

There is some lazy train of thought and then there is the actual reality some wont believe in that Coby White could actually be the best player available at 7 too. He could fit a need and be BPA. It is possible and at this point in the draft process I think thats most of what is happening.

I just don't get the Coby White detractors on the board. He's a damn fine prospect.

[johnnyvann840]

I would not be surprised if the Bulls organization are behind that top 6 leaked story to avoid being exposed like last year again. It's fair to say the Lakers control the draft from 4 and down. They get Garland, Phoenix gets White; they get Hunter and we get White.

I don’t follow. Is your theory that the Bulls might have invented the “top 6 promise” so that when they draft him at 7 people will be surprised? Which benefits the Bulls how?

I don’t understand.

Yeah, it makes zero sense for the Bulls to fabricate a promise for the six picks ahead of them. I just don't get it either. Where is the benefit if anyone believes that the teams ahead of the Bulls have made a promise to a player?

[johnnyvann840]

So White and Garland are both reported to have promises in the top six? Is that right?

[BigUps]

I would not be surprised if the Bulls organization are behind that top 6 leaked story to avoid being exposed like last year again. It's fair to say the Lakers control the draft from 4 and down. They get Garland, Phoenix gets White; they get Hunter and we get White.

I don’t follow. Is your theory that the Bulls might have invented the “top 6 promise” so that when they draft him at 7 people will be surprised? Which benefits the Bulls how?

I don’t understand.

Yeah, it makes zero sense for the Bulls to fabricate a promise for the six picks ahead of them. I just don't get it either. Where is the benefit if anyone believes that the teams ahead of the Bulls have made a promise to a player?

I don't think anyone has promised anything anywhere. These teams love to bring the players in and talk to them before they promise anything. I just don't see it. Sounds like agent speak or players find out they are locked into the top 10 based on grade and just stop working out because of that.

[BigUps]

So White and Garland are both reported to have promises in the top six? Is that right?

Who knows, but lets just talk about the idea of this promise stuff. What advantage to the team is there to promise someone a top 10ish pick? Sure, they dont go workout for other teams, but is that really that big of a deal? Wouldn't you also want to take a look at other potential options to pick as well?

I just don't really see the advantage of promising players who will be picked early in the draft. Later on, sure, but top 10 seems silly.