Fool Me Twice: The Gordon Hayward Thread

[MasterIchiro]

They have Bey and will strike out on Brunson. Terry fits their needs better.

I'm not dumping Terry's 20 million salary with a lottery pick. Hayward I can understand becuase it gives us a shot at Ayton.

I don't think sending Terry would require a lottery pick. I think they would take him for free. They can still sign Ayton to a max. Bey plays Hayward's position. Pistons are rumored to be in on Sexton who is restricted and pretty much just young Terry.

[amcoolio]

Hayward can play PF and is versatile with lineups, he and Bey can play together. The rumor is that Detroit is interested in Hayward, not Rozier.

Say they take Hayward and 13 for nothing. We can waive and stretch Oubre, offload Plumlee to OKC with either Bouk, Thor, or McDaniels for cap space, then offer two max deals for both Bridges and Ayton, all the while retaining Terry, Martin, PJ, the 15, and still be under the tax. We would then need a lot of production from whoever retain out of Thor/Bouk/McDaniels, Kai, the 15, and hope that we can get vet mins like IT

The problem is I don't know if a LaMelo/Miles/Ayton core is top 6 in the east, we'd be locked in to that, and we are betting a lot on Ayton and his improvement. He'll already be 24 by opening day next year. On paper the starting 5 would be great - LaMelo, Terry, Miles, PJ, Ayton....with Martin, Kai, and 15 on the bench but we'd be awfully thin

The other 2nd max contract option is Lavine, but I think the Bulls match (is he restricted?)

[amcoolio]

This is probably all just moot, maybe you guys are right and we are trading Hayward plus the pick just to get under the tax and bring in a MLE center like Robinson

The safest option to me is just pick at 13 and 15 and figure out free agency later. One of Williams or Duren will most likely be there at 13

[JDR720]

What would you rather do:

Trade 13 + 15 + Gordon to Detroit for cap space to sign Ayton

Or

Trade Miles for Ayton in a double S&T.

[yosemiteben]

Has anyone actually suggested we'd trade both picks to DET or are we just making up something to get mad about?

[amcoolio]

What would you rather do:

Trade 13 + 15 + Gordon to Detroit for cap space to sign Ayton

Or

Trade Miles for Ayton in a double S&T.

Second option we can't do because of base rule (Phoenix can only take half of Ayton salary back in a trade, its a dumb rule), it would have to be dec 15th

[MasterIchiro]

Hayward can play PF and is versatile with lineups, he and Bey can play together. The rumor is that Detroit is interested in Hayward, not Rozier.

Say they take Hayward and 13 for nothing. We can waive and stretch Oubre, offload Plumlee to OKC with either Bouk, Thor, or McDaniels for cap space, then offer two max deals for both Bridges and Ayton, all the while retaining Terry, Martin, PJ, the 15, and still be under the tax. We would then need a lot of production from whoever retain out of Thor/Bouk/McDaniels, Kai, the 15, and hope that we can get vet mins like IT

The problem is I don't know if a LaMelo/Miles/Ayton core is top 6 in the east, we'd be locked in to that, and we are betting a lot on Ayton and his improvement. He'll already be 24 by opening day next year. On paper the starting 5 would be great - LaMelo, Terry, Miles, PJ, Ayton....with Martin, Kai, and 15 on the bench but we'd be awfully thin

The other 2nd max contract option is Lavine, but I think the Bulls match (is he restricted?)

We massacre the roster for Ayton? I don't see it.

[amcoolio]

Hayward can play PF and is versatile with lineups, he and Bey can play together. The rumor is that Detroit is interested in Hayward, not Rozier.

Say they take Hayward and 13 for nothing. We can waive and stretch Oubre, offload Plumlee to OKC with either Bouk, Thor, or McDaniels for cap space, then offer two max deals for both Bridges and Ayton, all the while retaining Terry, Martin, PJ, the 15, and still be under the tax. We would then need a lot of production from whoever retain out of Thor/Bouk/McDaniels, Kai, the 15, and hope that we can get vet mins like IT

The problem is I don't know if a LaMelo/Miles/Ayton core is top 6 in the east, we'd be locked in to that, and we are betting a lot on Ayton and his improvement. He'll already be 24 by opening day next year. On paper the starting 5 would be great - LaMelo, Terry, Miles, PJ, Ayton....with Martin, Kai, and 15 on the bench but we'd be awfully thin

The other 2nd max contract option is Lavine, but I think the Bulls match (is he restricted?)

We massacre the roster for Ayton? I don't see it.

If it guaranteed Ayton, everyone here would trade Hayward, 13, Plumlee, Bouknight, Oubre for Ayton

[MasterIchiro]

Hayward can play PF and is versatile with lineups, he and Bey can play together. The rumor is that Detroit is interested in Hayward, not Rozier.

Say they take Hayward and 13 for nothing. We can waive and stretch Oubre, offload Plumlee to OKC with either Bouk, Thor, or McDaniels for cap space, then offer two max deals for both Bridges and Ayton, all the while retaining Terry, Martin, PJ, the 15, and still be under the tax. We would then need a lot of production from whoever retain out of Thor/Bouk/McDaniels, Kai, the 15, and hope that we can get vet mins like IT

The problem is I don't know if a LaMelo/Miles/Ayton core is top 6 in the east, we'd be locked in to that, and we are betting a lot on Ayton and his improvement. He'll already be 24 by opening day next year. On paper the starting 5 would be great - LaMelo, Terry, Miles, PJ, Ayton....with Martin, Kai, and 15 on the bench but we'd be awfully thin

The other 2nd max contract option is Lavine, but I think the Bulls match (is he restricted?)

We massacre the roster for Ayton? I don't see it.

If it guaranteed Ayton, everyone here would trade Hayward, 13, Plumlee, Bouknight, Oubre for Ayton

Mitch won't just start dumping rookie scale contracts before sitting down with Ayton.

[Heelsfan119]

I took that article to mean if Duren is there at 13. I don’t see us unloading both just to clear salary.

[Diop]

If he is traded for cap space, there will be huge pressure to use that space properly. Better get some good pieces, which has been tough for charlotte to get previously

[luciano-davidwesley]

Lol if we trade both first to ship Gordon out and just extend Miles I'm just going to check out on this team for a while. Could probably understand one of the first rounders to free up flexibility or even future flexibility, but not both. That'd be insane

I'd be ropeable if we even attach one. Signing Hayward/stretching Batum and extending Rozier at the time they were done were both idiotic moves I called out at the time. I'd be in the fire Mitch camp if it happens. That said it would be an admission they made a mistake so I doubt (and hope) neither pick is traded for a salary dump. Especially when we could probably do Rozier and Hayward for Westbrick straight up if we want to get out of long term money.

[luciano-davidwesley]

Hayward can play PF and is versatile with lineups, he and Bey can play together. The rumor is that Detroit is interested in Hayward, not Rozier.

Say they take Hayward and 13 for nothing. We can waive and stretch Oubre, offload Plumlee to OKC with either Bouk, Thor, or McDaniels for cap space, then offer two max deals for both Bridges and Ayton, all the while retaining Terry, Martin, PJ, the 15, and still be under the tax. We would then need a lot of production from whoever retain out of Thor/Bouk/McDaniels, Kai, the 15, and hope that we can get vet mins like IT

The problem is I don't know if a LaMelo/Miles/Ayton core is top 6 in the east, we'd be locked in to that, and we are betting a lot on Ayton and his improvement. He'll already be 24 by opening day next year. On paper the starting 5 would be great - LaMelo, Terry, Miles, PJ, Ayton....with Martin, Kai, and 15 on the bench but we'd be awfully thin

The other 2nd max contract option is Lavine, but I think the Bulls match (is he restricted?)

I like it. But it seems awfully unlikely. Why would Ayton want to come to this joke franchise? OKC don't want Oubre unless picks are involved. PHX are matching any offer sheet unless a sign and trade is agreed to as well. No way Ayton walks for nothing just like us with Miles.

[HornetJail]

odds that Hayward plays significant minutes at SG next season under Clifford?

[Bassman]

odds that Hayward plays significant minutes at SG next season under Clifford?

I could see some of that. Cliff will LOVE him some Gordo and overplay him. Too many minutes will equal the wheels falling off again.

Hayward at the 2 will depend on matchups as he can’t hang with super speed guards.

I contend our best move is to find a trade for Hayward, but Cliff and company won’t do it. He loves his vets, and GH is a really good player (except when he can’t play).

[Chapelchilla]

Mitch has always spoken highly of Hayward. Unless he wants out, he wont be going anywhere. Plus, less steady non smoking leadership is the last thing we need.

[yosemiteben]

Plus, less steady non smoking leadership is the last thing we need.

#WeirdlySpecific

[HornetJail]

Clifford was our head coach when Hayward tried to sign here as a RFA the first time and iirc spoke highly of him at that time.

Obviously it was 8 years ago and doesn't mean much, but there's a potential connection there.

[ProcessDoctor]

Some of us on the Sixers board have thrown around a Hayward/Washington for Harris/Thybulle trade scenario. Thoughts?

[fatlever]

Some of us on the Sixers board have thrown around a Hayward/Washington for Harris/Thybulle trade scenario. Thoughts?

take it to the fake tread thread