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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Delta Variant+ thread 

Post#1121 » by thebuzzardman » Sat Dec 18, 2021 2:09 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
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Restaurants are packed here with not a mask in sight. Last night I was craving Italian and thought maybe I could find a well ventilated booth in the corner or at least get takeout. It was jammed. There were 200 people in there without a mask. I was the ONLY person there with a mask on. I left.


I get how different factions in America have their different pet reasons for why things may not be working against the Covid flu. I'd like to think my ideas are close to what mainstream science and common sense would suggest.

Anyway, I'd like to point out that that lots of people have been calling what's happening now, in one form or another, since early on.
Why? Because a variation of this happened during the 1918 Spanish Flu. The pandemic rages, people have mixed amounts of doing the public health measures, they comply better, and the virus seems to move on. They loosened up, the flu ran rampant again. Or it mutated and it ran rampant again. Or both. Point being, that flu also had at least one, and I think two, periods where it was "over" but it wasn't, and the infections raged again.

All we can hope is enough people get vaccinated. Well, that isn't going to happen anymore than it is unless there is some true massive death event over 800,000, like one where young people die in sufficiently spectacular numbers to make generally selfish Americans actually pay the f*ck attention. The other is that the virus mutates into something more infectious but less deadly, as they generally do. However, that takes X amount of time, where no one knows what X is, and there may or may not be the spectacular death count along the way.
The "1918 Spanish Flu" isn't the most helpful historical title, because the problems went on for several years. Just like now.

Oh well. We have the means to stop this with 100+ years of medical advances, but just a bit too many people are too stubborn. Also, the country is 3X more populous, so that matters as well. I figure we break the million death # by February, easy.


The thing about an eventual lessening of the strength of the virus is that two years from now after the last big waves will even the most diligent people wear masks?

It seems eventually everyone will have some form of exposure even if it has been minimized in its effects. I’m in the hot zone so I’m going to get tested soon. I expect a positive result. It just seems likely at this point even though I’m triple vaxxed and sometimes the only guy wearing a mask here.


I'd assume in 3 years when it lessens, people won't wear masks like they don't wear masks in current cold and flu season. Culturally, we don't do it; in many countries in Asia they do. Does the current iteration of the flu kill a bunch of people? Yes, but in acceptable numbers - not condoning that, just acknowledging it. Would less people get sick and less die if we wore masks during this season? Probably. May this whole thing create a social change around that? Doubtful.
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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Delta Variant+ thread 

Post#1122 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Dec 18, 2021 2:15 pm

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I get how different factions in America have their different pet reasons for why things may not be working against the Covid flu. I'd like to think my ideas are close to what mainstream science and common sense would suggest.

Anyway, I'd like to point out that that lots of people have been calling what's happening now, in one form or another, since early on.
Why? Because a variation of this happened during the 1918 Spanish Flu. The pandemic rages, people have mixed amounts of doing the public health measures, they comply better, and the virus seems to move on. They loosened up, the flu ran rampant again. Or it mutated and it ran rampant again. Or both. Point being, that flu also had at least one, and I think two, periods where it was "over" but it wasn't, and the infections raged again.

All we can hope is enough people get vaccinated. Well, that isn't going to happen anymore than it is unless there is some true massive death event over 800,000, like one where young people die in sufficiently spectacular numbers to make generally selfish Americans actually pay the f*ck attention. The other is that the virus mutates into something more infectious but less deadly, as they generally do. However, that takes X amount of time, where no one knows what X is, and there may or may not be the spectacular death count along the way.
The "1918 Spanish Flu" isn't the most helpful historical title, because the problems went on for several years. Just like now.

Oh well. We have the means to stop this with 100+ years of medical advances, but just a bit too many people are too stubborn. Also, the country is 3X more populous, so that matters as well. I figure we break the million death # by February, easy.


The thing about an eventual lessening of the strength of the virus is that two years from now after the last big waves will even the most diligent people wear masks?

It seems eventually everyone will have some form of exposure even if it has been minimized in its effects. I’m in the hot zone so I’m going to get tested soon. I expect a positive result. It just seems likely at this point even though I’m triple vaxxed and sometimes the only guy wearing a mask here.


I'd assume in 3 years when it lessens, people won't wear masks like they don't wear masks in current cold and flu season. Culturally, we don't do it; in many countries in Asia they do. Does the current iteration of the flu kill a bunch of people? Yes, but in acceptable numbers - not condoning that, just acknowledging it. Would less people get sick and less die if we wore masks during this season? Probably. May this whole thing create a social change around that? Doubtful.


Mask wearing in Asia is often due to pollution so adopting it there had less friction

Rich hypochondriacs are going to build ultra-violet walls to their compounds and hide out

America is a herd immunist’s wet dream now. Let’s get busy and spread that dadgum virus folks!
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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Delta Variant+ thread 

Post#1123 » by Jalen Bluntson » Sat Dec 18, 2021 2:18 pm

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Are We Ther Yet wrote:You probably have the same chance of dying driving to work in the morning and dying of Covid if you're vaxxed.


Way higher depending on the drive. Also a traffic accident doesn't care about your co-morbidities. But the fear porn is addictive for some people and I think it's comforting for some who just can't deal with the real world to begin with. Explosion in testing means explosion in cases, who cares. It's hospitalizations, and deaths we care about (we being people who can do math) and all the data from SA and UK point to what everyone in epidemiology who wasn't trying to play politics knew all along.

For example compare 17-19% severe rate for delta vs 1-2% for this latest variant. It's not exactly apples to apples because overall immunity should have gone up since July via vaccination and acquired immunity but it's a large enough statistical outlier to say it's a milder strain. Soon it'll be one of the 500+ that make up the seasonal flu, or be one of the 200+ coronavirii associated with the common cold (the rest are mostly rhinoviruses).


You guys are geniuses

38,680 traffic fatalities in 2020

800,000 dead and counting from covid


How many vaxxed people died from Covid in 2020? Then read what I said....stupid.
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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Delta Variant+ thread 

Post#1124 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Dec 18, 2021 3:07 pm

Are We Ther Yet wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
nedleeds wrote:
Way higher depending on the drive. Also a traffic accident doesn't care about your co-morbidities. But the fear porn is addictive for some people and I think it's comforting for some who just can't deal with the real world to begin with. Explosion in testing means explosion in cases, who cares. It's hospitalizations, and deaths we care about (we being people who can do math) and all the data from SA and UK point to what everyone in epidemiology who wasn't trying to play politics knew all along.

For example compare 17-19% severe rate for delta vs 1-2% for this latest variant. It's not exactly apples to apples because overall immunity should have gone up since July via vaccination and acquired immunity but it's a large enough statistical outlier to say it's a milder strain. Soon it'll be one of the 500+ that make up the seasonal flu, or be one of the 200+ coronavirii associated with the common cold (the rest are mostly rhinoviruses).


You guys are geniuses

38,680 traffic fatalities in 2020

800,000 dead and counting from covid


How many vaxxed people died from Covid in 2020? Then read what I said....stupid.


I apologize for quoting you with Ned Leeds and pluralizing my response.

I hadn’t responded to your post when you first made it because it seemed like a simple enough statement.

Ned Leeds however turned it into more politicized agenda that went well beyond your single sentence. They were already trying to tell us what Omicron’s data is when there is simply too early to make their claims about Delta vs. Omicron. Calling concerns about a pandemic still in progress fear porn is objectionable. You did not do that.

Yes, vaccination does prevent most deaths. That is indisputable. How breakthrough infections will affect those numbers may vary, but generally speaking you are correct.

I do not, however, consider it equivalent to a drive in traffic risk wise. As someone who has NEVER caused an accident that affected other vehicles in decades of driving I consider myself very lucky. But some of that luck is due to my driving habits. I don’t have the same luxury with a virus. I could be blindsided by a truck tomorrow, but the odds of contracting the virus is infintitely higher and I probably won’t have any ability to stop the infection even though I’m relatively careful.

I do believe it is a fairly useless correlation to equate driving deaths with covid deaths, because getting sick but not dying is not equivalent to bending your fender, but not being killed in a car crash. That the CDC posted it doesn’t make it relevant to me. Somebody thought it would help convince people to get vaccinated I guess. But it says nothing to me about the risks of getting sick or Long Covid. Dying from covid is not my primary concern now so talking about traffic deaths is pointless IMO.
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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Delta Variant+ thread 

Post#1125 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Dec 18, 2021 3:17 pm

Some key things to keep in mind about the new variant:

This is NO conclusive data proving whether or not it is stronger than the Delta variant. I was listening to a scientist on NPR who said it is wishful thinking to assume such a thing as there is no hard data to make that assertion.

The MORE COVID SPREADS the more opportunity it has to mutate. The infection rate may exceed any previous time in the pandemic thus creating a more actively infected population for new strains to emerge from.

We cannot know with any certainty that every evolutionary step will produce a weaker strain. The virus seeks hosts and tries to multiply. That is its agenda. Assuming anything else about each iteration’s characteristics without conclusive data is a mistake. Some degree of herd Immunity or a weakened perennial coronavirus is likely someday, but we don’t know what will still emerge in the interim.

We may see a spike in death rates again due to how many unvaccinated there are in the U.S. The health care system is broken already. It may get much worse.
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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Delta Variant+ thread 

Post#1126 » by 2010 » Sat Dec 18, 2021 5:55 pm

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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Delta Variant+ thread 

Post#1127 » by god shammgod » Sat Dec 18, 2021 6:01 pm

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my guy didn't even practice yet
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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Delta Variant+ thread 

Post#1128 » by robillionaire » Sat Dec 18, 2021 6:12 pm

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:lol: all he did was put his shoes on
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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Delta Variant+ thread 

Post#1129 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Dec 18, 2021 6:36 pm

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:lol: all he did was put his shoes on


I’d like to see the list of arenas willing to let him play
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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Delta Variant+ thread 

Post#1130 » by Richard4444 » Sat Dec 18, 2021 6:38 pm

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my guy didn't even practice yet


He must have hanged out with KD...
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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Delta Variant+ thread 

Post#1131 » by god shammgod » Sat Dec 18, 2021 7:23 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
robillionaire wrote:
2010 wrote:
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:lol: all he did was put his shoes on


I’d like to see the list of arenas willing to let him play


he can play anywhere outside of new york
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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Delta Variant+ thread 

Post#1132 » by 2010 » Sat Dec 18, 2021 7:40 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
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2010 wrote:
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:lol: all he did was put his shoes on


I’d like to see the list of arenas willing to let him play


No one has a problem with Beal and Isaac playing in the arenas outside of NYC / SF / LA. Not sure why it would be any different for Kyrie once he is recovered.
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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Delta Variant+ thread 

Post#1133 » by 2010 » Sat Dec 18, 2021 7:40 pm

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my guy didn't even practice yet


He must have hanged out with KD...


These vaccinated teammates spreading their schit. The irony.

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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Delta Variant+ thread 

Post#1134 » by gavran » Sat Dec 18, 2021 7:45 pm

2010 wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
robillionaire wrote:
:lol: all he did was put his shoes on


I’d like to see the list of arenas willing to let him play


No one has a problem with Beal and Isaac playing in the arenas outside of NYC / SF / LA. Not sure why it would be any different for Kyrie once he is recovered.

Jonathan Isaac? Whose last game was pre-pandemic?
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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Delta Variant+ thread 

Post#1135 » by 2010 » Sat Dec 18, 2021 7:49 pm

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2010 wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
I’d like to see the list of arenas willing to let him play


No one has a problem with Beal and Isaac playing in the arenas outside of NYC / SF / LA. Not sure why it would be any different for Kyrie once he is recovered.

Jonathan Isaac? Whose last game was pre-pandemic?


Didn’t realize he hasn’t come back yet. But don’t act like you haven’t see Beal playing in every arena this season. He can even play in NYC as a visiting player.

3% of the league is still unvaccinated. It’s just silly to act like there will be some issue if Kyrie plays of unvaccinated players such as Beal (and others) have been currently playing.
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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Delta Variant+ thread 

Post#1136 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Dec 18, 2021 7:54 pm

2010 wrote:
gavran wrote:
2010 wrote:
No one has a problem with Beal and Isaac playing in the arenas outside of NYC / SF / LA. Not sure why it would be any different for Kyrie once he is recovered.

Jonathan Isaac? Whose last game was pre-pandemic?


Didn’t realize he hasn’t come back yet. But don’t act like you haven’t see Beal playing in every arena this season. He can even play in NYC as a visiting player.

3% of the league is still unvaccinated. It’s just silly to act like there will be some issue if Kyrie plays of unvaccinated players such as Beal (and others) have been currently playing.


Wasnt that a Nets org decision though?
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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Delta Variant+ thread 

Post#1137 » by robillionaire » Sat Dec 18, 2021 8:08 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
2010 wrote:
gavran wrote:Jonathan Isaac? Whose last game was pre-pandemic?


Didn’t realize he hasn’t come back yet. But don’t act like you haven’t see Beal playing in every arena this season. He can even play in NYC as a visiting player.

3% of the league is still unvaccinated. It’s just silly to act like there will be some issue if Kyrie plays of unvaccinated players such as Beal (and others) have been currently playing.


Wasnt that a Nets org decision though?


I wouldn’t be surprised if they just let him back to showcase for a trade. What will they do if they get to the finals and he already can’t play half the games and if the opponent is gsw or lakers he’s done. Seems like they should just try to develop chemistry with other players since the team is doing pretty well without him
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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Delta Variant+ thread 

Post#1138 » by 2010 » Sat Dec 18, 2021 8:16 pm

robillionaire wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
2010 wrote:
Didn’t realize he hasn’t come back yet. But don’t act like you haven’t see Beal playing in every arena this season. He can even play in NYC as a visiting player.

3% of the league is still unvaccinated. It’s just silly to act like there will be some issue if Kyrie plays of unvaccinated players such as Beal (and others) have been currently playing.


Wasnt that a Nets org decision though?


I wouldn’t be surprised if they just let him back to showcase for a trade. What will they do if they get to the finals and he already can’t play half the games and if the opponent is gsw or lakers he’s done. Seems like they should just try to develop chemistry with other players since the team is doing pretty well without him


I think they are backtracking cuz they are anticipating NY’s mayor elect easing some of the vaccine mandates.
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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Delta Variant+ thread 

Post#1139 » by 2010 » Sat Dec 18, 2021 8:18 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
2010 wrote:
gavran wrote:Jonathan Isaac? Whose last game was pre-pandemic?


Didn’t realize he hasn’t come back yet. But don’t act like you haven’t see Beal playing in every arena this season. He can even play in NYC as a visiting player.

3% of the league is still unvaccinated. It’s just silly to act like there will be some issue if Kyrie plays of unvaccinated players such as Beal (and others) have been currently playing.


Wasnt that a Nets org decision though?


Yeah but they reversed course once the team got ravaged with COVID. Which again is ironic, because if the team (and the league) is currently suffering an outbreak, it’s peculiar that would be the time you welcome back the unvaccinated outcast.

Just strange times we’re living in. I don’t particularly trust anyone decision-making process right now.

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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Delta Variant+ thread 

Post#1140 » by nedleeds » Sat Dec 18, 2021 8:52 pm

Are We Ther Yet wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
nedleeds wrote:
Way higher depending on the drive. Also a traffic accident doesn't care about your co-morbidities. But the fear porn is addictive for some people and I think it's comforting for some who just can't deal with the real world to begin with. Explosion in testing means explosion in cases, who cares. It's hospitalizations, and deaths we care about (we being people who can do math) and all the data from SA and UK point to what everyone in epidemiology who wasn't trying to play politics knew all along.

For example compare 17-19% severe rate for delta vs 1-2% for this latest variant. It's not exactly apples to apples because overall immunity should have gone up since July via vaccination and acquired immunity but it's a large enough statistical outlier to say it's a milder strain. Soon it'll be one of the 500+ that make up the seasonal flu, or be one of the 200+ coronavirii associated with the common cold (the rest are mostly rhinoviruses).


You guys are geniuses

38,680 traffic fatalities in 2020

800,000 dead and counting from covid


How many vaxxed people died from Covid in 2020? Then read what I said....stupid.


He's not into it. He's looking to make it align with his new world religion of MRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR ORANGE CLOWN! I forgot more over my morning **** about epidemiology than this person knows.
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