Felton traded to Knicks; Not matching Lin? (part 2)

[Pharmcat]

ny is paying tax with or without lin

if tax was an issue they wouldnt have signed novak camby kidd etc without knowing whats going on with lin and his dollars with respect to the tax

if they let lin go there will be a non money reason involved

I for one am hoping that he is matched, but im less than 50% confident atm

[CU_NY09]

Red Vines - if you're going to quote people, then quote them. AND then list your personal bias below it.

[Red Vines]

Red Vines - if you're going to quote people, then quote them. AND then list your personal bias below it.

Huh? Try quoting me so I know what you're talking about.

[king billing]

I don't think Melo is really jealous of Lin but he obviously doesn't get how good Lin could be. I actually think he could well be a bargain at $8M per year.

Lin has some of the best upside at PG in the league for a young player. People are missing that. You are going to be sad when you see what he reaches -- he's going to be extremely good and maybe semi-great.

Melo is an idiot to say what he said -- there's no excusing it. Period. Dolan would be an idiot to give up Lin -- there would be no excusing that.

I have stood up for both of them in the past so I have credibility here -- I think they both have gotten some unfair criticism. But this would clearly be a sea change -- it would show just how toxic both of them are. Melo included because he apparently doesn't understand how badly he needs a PG or how talented Lin is in all the ways we badly need a floor general.

This would be a cruel, bitter and obvious line past which no rational fan could go. It'd be obvious how delusional and petty our decision-making processes have become ... and for many fans, the point of following them any longer would be ripped away. Furthermore, for the ones loyal and good enough to stick around (and I commend you for it), your fun would be ripped away too.

It would be an unmitigated disaster of such great proportions that it could not be overstated.

Dude, you've only seen Lin play 25 games. Are you convinced?

I don't think Melo was trying to hate on Lin, he would jump on that contract too in his 2nd year in the NBA.

So this is our attitude towards young players? Unless we're convinced, we give them away for nothing?

I personally think Shumpert is just as deserving for a 15 mil year 3 contract. I agree he shouldn't be given one. I'd like to see Lin and Shumpert pay their dues a little bit more.

[popeye7318]

could this be a sick attempt to "humble" Jeremy Lin before they match?

[duetta]

We are losing Lin for NOTHING!!

NOTHING PEOPLE NOTHING!!!!

But we're surrendering assets to sign Felton.

[vallen]

ny is paying tax with or without lin

if tax was an issue they wouldnt have signed novak camby kidd etc without knowing whats going on with lin and his dollars with respect to the tax

if they let lin go there will be a non money reason involved

I for one am hoping that he is matched, but im less than 50% confident atm

are they paying the same amount of tax with or without Lin ?

[ORANGEandBLUE]

I dont understand how some posters are ok with this, and still have a great outlook on next season. Crushing the East? Really? How so? What are we doing that improves our position from last year? How many games did we win against the heat in the playoffs again?

So because we went out to the champs last year, we weren't a good team? We were playing our best ball of the season going into the playoffs, and we're bringing back all of the guys involved in that. There's no reason why we shouldn't be one of the elite teams again defensively next season.

Best stretch of the season was when Woodson first took over. Margin of victory was much higher than it was after Lin went down. A lot of the Lin-less wins were very close and could have easily gone the other way.

[Greenie]

I don't want to hear anybody talking about assets with this team. Now that Lin is gone we want to talk about what or assets look like. Weren't we doing that last week when we signed Kidd and Camby? Made people were complaining about future assets and all I heard was "we are trying to win now" and "we don't have time to develop players". News flash: Jermey Lin needs to be developed.

Also this thing about it only being 8mil/yr is false. From what I understand if we match it will look like 5/5/15mil/yr for us. Lin is not worth 15 mil in that last year. Period!

[VirginiaKnickFan]

We are losing Lin for NOTHING!!

NOTHING PEOPLE NOTHING!!!!

But we're surrendering assets to sign Felton.

+1,000,000,000,000

[NOOB77]

I will go out on a limb and think this is all a game and the Knicks will match. But please someone give KnicksGod his account back.

[Pharmcat]

i was ok giving up all the remaining assets b/c lin and shump were the assets for the future + 2015 capspace

but if ny lets lin go for nothing, then Im not so sure this was the right plan

[Never Wrong]

ny is paying tax with or without lin

if tax was an issue they wouldnt have signed novak camby kidd etc without knowing whats going on with lin and his dollars with respect to the tax

if they let lin go there will be a non money reason involved

I for one am hoping that he is matched, but im less than 50% confident atm

I'm already 100% sure he's not coming back. Usually when negative press like this comes out, it's intentionally fed to the media by the organization so the public buys in to the decision made.

It reminds me of the day D'Antoni was fired. Eerily similar.

When Dolan wants you gone, he'll make sure the media members he paid off sully your name on your way out.

[Greenie]

I'm glad to see this team has now officially traded all assets for the next five years and is considering a bench of all 40 year olds. That's the best way to build a team for the present and future. Good job, Grunnie.

it sounds so bad when you put it like that.

Look after 3 years all the big contracts expire, then we'll reverse course and start building a team through the draft....I hope.

With no picks?

[XcalibuR]

ny is paying tax with or without lin

if tax was an issue they wouldnt have signed novak camby kidd etc without knowing whats going on with lin and his dollars with respect to the tax

if they let lin go there will be a non money reason involved

I for one am hoping that he is matched, but im less than 50% confident atm

are they paying the same amount of tax with or without Lin ?

If the Knicks ever want to field a good supporting cast around Melo/Amare/Chandler, then yes.

[waya]

I dont understand how some posters are ok with this, and still have a great outlook on next season. Crushing the East? Really? How so? What are we doing that improves our position from last year? How many games did we win against the heat in the playoffs again?

So because we went out to the champs last year, we weren't a good team? We were playing our best ball of the season going into the playoffs, and we're bringing back all of the guys involved in that. There's no reason why we shouldn't be one of the elite teams again defensively next season.

Best stretch of the season was when Woodson first took over. Margin of victory was much higher than it was after Lin went down. A lot of the Lin-less wins were very close and could have easily gone the other way.

Okay, so Lin is better than the skeletons of Bibby and Baron Davis. Everyone knew that. The point is, we were winning with defense. And that won't change next season. We're gonna win games by getting stops.

[BayareaKnicks]

People are saying he only played 25 games but his 25 games were overall exceptional. Knicks fans realize that. That's why the message board is blowing up here and houston fans are somewhat lukewarm about him coming. We know what kind of player he is and they will find out.

Really, is this really about money or did Lin's camp do something to Dolan to piss him off. I am hoping that Dolan will come to his senses by Tuesday.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

Gee at least Houston should give us a pick for showcasing Lin last season to make up for their mistake of cutting him.

[stevieg987]

We never planned on matching Lin. Face it.

The Knicks had that fat fck Felton shoving hot dogs down his face since the fourth of July. He was telling people he was on his way to the Knicks, too. We made promises.

We never even brought Jeremy to the negotiating table. People made excuses: let him set his value, why even waste our time when he's getting more, etc. Even then, we shouted at the roof-tops, leaked like the exxon valdez that we'll match anything. Truly begging to be poison pilled, and then when he signs the contract we knew he was going to get, we smear the kid. Have our players GO ON SPORTSCENTER and feed us propaganda: calling it a ridiculous contract (why the hell are they even talking about this?!?!).

Make no mistake this was orchestrated. They're trying to spin a narrative that villaniazes Lin-- he took the money, what can we do (hey, you idiots, maybe actually make him an offer, let the kid know you WON'T match ANYTHING, THEN maybe he would've signed with you because hey he loves it in NY). But when you lie to the kid, the media, and then pull the rug out from under him-- it reaks. It reaks. The whole thing REAKS.

The lone kid getting paid 500k a last year, and Dolan pimped the living hell outta this kid, soaked and squeezed him for everything. Stock prices, ticket prices, web hits, jersey sales, and rating all up up up up up on the back of a kid who saw none of the profit. Dolan probably made NINE figures off Lin related, and now we can't overpay the kid 5-7 for ONE YEAR. Are you fckin kidding me!?!? All so we can be general'd by Raymond fckin Felton-- a journeyman with the talent of a back-up pg. INSANITY.

Felton played just as great as Lin did and was a borderline all star PG a year ago with the Knicks before he was traded.

First, he didn't. Lin was twice the player Felton was during his starts. Also, Felton had one good month in a Knick uniform, the others fluctuated between average (and even average is an aberration to his career performance) to garbage. He also did that with a PG'S DREAM of a lineup-- Stat at his BEST, three athletic slashers that could hit the three at a high clip to spread the floor, and playing in a D's offense. Even with that, guy was pedestrian for the majority of his time here (he did have his moments before turning into dudu). While Lin played like a motherfckin SUPERSTAR, racking up the stats and the wins with a lineup of Jared Jeff, Billy f'n Walker, Landry without a Jumper (felton had Landry when he could shoot--my what a different player), and Tyson.

Am I crazy? Were only a few of us spectators to Linsanity? Did most people not watch this kid DOMINATE? Even after 'Linsanity' kid was showing all the tools needed to be a top tier PG in the league.

Felton, at 28, has all the tools of a bottom tier PG, and subsequently, has been a bottom tier PG his entire career.

WTF is going on.

[Mr_Perfect]

This team's present isn't even that good and we now have surrendered our future too. Good job by the organization.