2017 Nets Offseason Thread III

[ChokeFasncists]

You talk about the level of our roster but fail to acknowledge that Nicholson is last in the rotation which says a lot about his (lack of) talent.

It goes without saying that Nicholson is last in the rotation, which is why I brought him up in the first place. But that doesn't change that we need everybody on this roster to contribute in order to at least get better than the 20 wins this year.

Nicholson was only on the team for a few months. How can you evaluate a player on such a small sample size? Especially when in Orlando he showed that he can be decent contributor off the bench. Like I said, maybe given an offseason of work with Kenny can help him be a good part of our team. We shouldn't write anybody off just because of how low the talent level on the roster is.

Agreed. There was a reason he was offered that big contract by the Wiz. The question is, did he get the money and slacked off? Or was the Wiz bench toxic before Bogs and that messed him up somehow?

The guy could score. We need him cuz he'd be the only low true post scorer we have. He could come in handy if we want a change of pace/strategy. He could shoot too.

Plz resurrect him Kenny.

[brook]

Noels Max is 25 per year
we can offer 21.5 per year

the Mavs are saying they dont want to max noel. what they are willing to pay is anyone guess, but it is within the realm of possibility that if they dont think he is worth 25 they also dont think he is worth 21.5. maybe they want him for 4/80?

either way, our near max offer is certainly worth making.

what is the down side to making the offer? worst they can do is match, like has happened 4 times already

If they want him for 4/80 I highly doubt that the notoriously competitive Mark Cuban would just lose such a young and talented player for nothing because of an extra 6 mill spread throughout 4 years especially since they have such little committed salary going forward.

And the down side to making the offer is that we would renounce Goodwin other than that there isn't one other than possibly missing out on any other free agent we want to sign while the cap is tied up which I'll admit is unlikely.

We woudlnt need to renounce goodwin until the offersheet is signed. and if dallas matches, we could just resign goodwin. he makes the minimum.

having the cap space tied up is irrelevant. weve had the space for weeks and havent used it. those guys would still be there in a few days.

none of those are reasons not to make the offer

You don't know for sure about resign Goodwin. Lakers for example waive Nwaba and they would Nwaba come back after KCP, but Bulls claimed him on waivers.
I don't want lose Archie for nothing, with Mozgov and Allen, Noel isn't a need for us, isn't an awesome player and Dallas will match any offer anyway.

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[TheBrooklynKidd]

He was garbage all season not just when he was on our team. And I'll say the same thing to you that I did to Prok.

Only 12 people can suit up to play, obviously other than when there are injuries, do you really see 3 players on this roster that you would rather have in a suit so that Nicholson can play?

But he's shown that he has some semblance of competency, so just because of that we shouldn't write him off right now. Especially for a roster like ours where not too long ago we were scouring the D-league for talent.

To answer your question, I actually don't know. But I'm not willing to write him off and say he's a lost cause so early in his Nets career, he only arrived in February, and he probably needed an adjustment period to Kenny's system. If he doesn't produce this year, then fair enough. But I can imagine Kenny leaving no stone left unturned and exploring all possible avenues available to him.

I can also imagine him doing what he did towards the end of last season, he would bring guys in and out of the rotation on a weekly basis and try to experiment with different rotations. That also helps with the culture him and Marks are trying to build, by making sure every one of the 15 guys are engaged throughout the year and that they know they can step in and contribute when called upon. He's going to give every guy on this roster an opportunity, as long as they practice and play hard, that's all I'm saying.

I understand what you're saying and I think he should get a chance in the beginning of the year, I just really doubt he makes anything of that chance. He's truly a garbage player who's been in decline ever since his rookie year and never been a major contributor on a good team. Once he blows that chance he should be buried in the rotation behind players that contribute to wins and guy's who are actually developing. Honestly there are 14 guys on this roster that are deserving of minutes over him, 15 if you count Wiley on a 2 way deal who hasn't spent 6 years in the league doing absolutely nothing of note.

I also don't think you'll see as much of the shuffling this season unless we're truly horrible like last year where we were hopelessly last and the games didn't matter for anything except player improvement. And if all god well and we're chasing one of those 2ish playoff spots in the east that won't require a winning record, you can bet Nicholson won't be suiting up.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

You talk about the level of our roster but fail to acknowledge that Nicholson is last in the rotation which says a lot about his (lack of) talent.

It goes without saying that Nicholson is last in the rotation, which is why I brought him up in the first place. But that doesn't change that we need everybody on this roster to contribute in order to at least get better than the 20 wins this year.

Nicholson was only on the team for a few months. How can you evaluate a player on such a small sample size? Especially when in Orlando he showed that he can be decent contributor off the bench. Like I said, maybe given an offseason of work with Kenny can help him be a good part of our team. We shouldn't write anybody off just because of how low the talent level on the roster is.

Agreed. There was a reason he was offered that big contract by the Wiz. The question is, did he get the money and slacked off? Or was the Wiz bench toxic before Bogs and that messed him up somehow?

The guy could score. We need him cuz he'd be the only low true post scorer we have. He could come in handy if we want a change of pace/strategy. He could shoot too.

Plz resurrect him Kenny.

He wasn't offered a big contract though he was offered a <8th man contract and he couldn't even perform at that level.

[spaceballer]

Redick's wife wanted Brooklyn. Sounds like he was ready to come until the DLo trade threw a monkey wrench into his plans.

https://clutchpoints.com/j-j-redick-wife-chelsea-wanted-him-sign-nets/

[ChokeFasncists]

It goes without saying that Nicholson is last in the rotation, which is why I brought him up in the first place. But that doesn't change that we need everybody on this roster to contribute in order to at least get better than the 20 wins this year.

Nicholson was only on the team for a few months. How can you evaluate a player on such a small sample size? Especially when in Orlando he showed that he can be decent contributor off the bench. Like I said, maybe given an offseason of work with Kenny can help him be a good part of our team. We shouldn't write anybody off just because of how low the talent level on the roster is.

Agreed. There was a reason he was offered that big contract by the Wiz. The question is, did he get the money and slacked off? Or was the Wiz bench toxic before Bogs and that messed him up somehow?

The guy could score. We need him cuz he'd be the only low true post scorer we have. He could come in handy if we want a change of pace/strategy. He could shoot too.

Plz resurrect him Kenny.

He wasn't offered a big contract though he was offered a <8th man contract and he couldn't even perform at that level.

If you compare his contract to the biggest contracts of course it's not big. But if it's compared to 3rd strings (as he is now) it's quite big.

He really played bad in Brooklyn but it was only 10 games. The Wiz bench was toxic before the trade, he might have been a victim.

The question still is, why did he play fine in Orlando and then so bad last year.

OTOH, he is here simply cuz of Jar, it's cool.

[imanshar]

I have a feeling that we are going to be involved in a big trade and Nicholson and one of RHJ or Booker will he gone.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

Agreed. There was a reason he was offered that big contract by the Wiz. The question is, did he get the money and slacked off? Or was the Wiz bench toxic before Bogs and that messed him up somehow?

The guy could score. We need him cuz he'd be the only low true post scorer we have. He could come in handy if we want a change of pace/strategy. He could shoot too.

Plz resurrect him Kenny.

He wasn't offered a big contract though he was offered a <8th man contract and he couldn't even perform at that level.

If you compare his contract to the biggest contracts of course it's not big. But if it's compared to 3rd strings (as he is now) it's quite big.

He really played bad in Brooklyn but it was only 10 games. The Wiz bench was toxic before the trade, he might have been a victim.

The question still is, why did he play fine in Orlando and then so bad last year.

OTOH, he is here simply cuz of Jar, it's cool.

Even when he was in Orlando he was at best an average bench player and had his best production his rookie year and the declined after that. Have you thought about the possibility that the leagues evolving offenses have left him behind as a slow footed non shooting big man? Even on defense, people praise his length but he's never averaged more blocks than turnovers which is very troubling to me because of his 7'4 wingspan and his lack of touches on the offensive end.

The way I look at it is that we acquired a bad player on a bloated contract and received Jarrett as compensation, so why would we give minutes to the bad player that could instead be given to the player who is supposed to be our compensation for the bad players negative value?

[ChokeFasncists]

He wasn't offered a big contract though he was offered a <8th man contract and he couldn't even perform at that level.

If you compare his contract to the biggest contracts of course it's not big. But if it's compared to 3rd strings (as he is now) it's quite big.

He really played bad in Brooklyn but it was only 10 games. The Wiz bench was toxic before the trade, he might have been a victim.

The question still is, why did he play fine in Orlando and then so bad last year.

OTOH, he is here simply cuz of Jar, it's cool.

Even when he was in Orlando he was at best an average bench player and had his best production his rookie year and the declined after that. Have you thought about the possibility that the leagues evolving offenses have left him behind as a slow footed non shooting big man? Even on defense, people praise his length but he's never averaged more blocks than turnovers which is very troubling to me because of his 7'4 wingspan and his lack of touches on the offensive end.

Agreed, except that he's not non shooting and he's got a pretty good post game.

The way I look at it is that we acquired a bad player on a bloated contract and received Jarrett as compensation, so why would we give minutes to the bad player that could instead be given to the player who is supposed to be our compensation for the bad players negative value?

Ummm.....these two aren't mutually exclusive, it's better to have two useful players. Vastly different types of player as well, different stages of their career.

[Netaman]

I have a feeling that we are going to be involved in a big trade and Nicholson and one of RHJ or Booker will he gone.

I don't see anyone available that's going to be in a big trade that's better than either of those guys. Love is probably the closest thing but I don't see Cleveland dealing him.

Monroe is probably the most talented player I could see being available on the trade market, but more likely I think they'll add someone like Ed Davis as part of a 3 team Melo deal to help clear cap room. Portland has seemed like the best fit for Melo and they are going to have to clear cap room somehow. I could see the Knicks taking on Harkless or maybe Crabbe, but I don't think they are going to want to tie up all the money they clear with Melo long term by taking both.

[Netaman]

For example:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yahx6pen

Portland would probably need to send the Knicks a pick for taking on Crabbe/getting Melo, but I would think all 3 teams would be reasonably happy with this deal.

[NotPhilJackson]

POR OUT Crabbe, Harkless, Aminu, Swanigan, 1st Rounder (Lotto protected), 2nd Rounder
POR IN Melo, O'Quinn, Q. Acy

NYK OUT Melo, O'Quinn
NYK IN Lin, Harkless, Aminu, Swanigan, 1st Rounder (Lotto Protected)

BKN OUT Lin, Q. Acy
BKN IN Crabbe, 2nd Rounder

[TheNetsFan]

For example:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yahx6pen

Portland would probably need to send the Knicks a pick for taking on Crabbe/getting Melo, but I would think all 3 teams would be reasonably happy with this deal.

A deal like this made more sense before THJ. Also, Melo supposedly won't go to Portland.

If Portland were willing, I could see them cobbling some of the lesser contracts, like Harkless, Aminu, Leonard & Davis.

[Papi_swav]

POR OUT Crabbe, Harkless, Aminu, Swanigan, 1st Rounder (Lotto protected), 2nd Rounder
POR IN Melo, O'Quinn, Q. Acy

NYK OUT Melo, O'Quinn
NYK IN Lin, Harkless, Aminu, Swanigan, 1st Rounder (Lotto Protected)

BKN OUT Lin, Q. Acy
BKN IN Crabbe, 2nd Rounder

No we need more than just a 2nd rounder for Crabbe and we won't be giving away Lin for that.

[NotPhilJackson]

POR OUT Crabbe, Harkless, Aminu, Swanigan, 1st Rounder (Lotto protected), 2nd Rounder
POR IN Melo, O'Quinn, Q. Acy

NYK OUT Melo, O'Quinn
NYK IN Lin, Harkless, Aminu, Swanigan, 1st Rounder (Lotto Protected)

BKN OUT Lin, Q. Acy
BKN IN Crabbe, 2nd Rounder

No we need more than just a 2nd rounder for Crabbe and we won't be giving away Lin for that.

You guys need more than a second rounder for a guy on a contract that you orchestrated? You guys would of had him if Portland didn't match. Lin played like 20 games last season, stop acting like he's some coveted piece. Y'all just traded for D'Russ. The entire reason BKN is even included in the trade is cause NY needs a PG. You don't have much negotiation room. Say no and Crabbe get's removed from the equation and the Knicks take on Leonard for additional assets. Simple as that. BKN knows Crabbe wasn't getting enough touches in POR and is underrated. That's why yall offered him what you did.

[Papi_swav]

POR OUT Crabbe, Harkless, Aminu, Swanigan, 1st Rounder (Lotto protected), 2nd Rounder
POR IN Melo, O'Quinn, Q. Acy

NYK OUT Melo, O'Quinn
NYK IN Lin, Harkless, Aminu, Swanigan, 1st Rounder (Lotto Protected)

BKN OUT Lin, Q. Acy
BKN IN Crabbe, 2nd Rounder

No we need more than just a 2nd rounder for Crabbe and we won't be giving away Lin for that.

You guys need more than a second rounder for a guy on a contract that you orchestrated? You guys would of had him if Portland didn't match. Lin played like 20 games last season, stop acting like he's some coveted piece. Y'all just traded for D'Russ. The entire reason BKN is even included in the trade is cause NY needs a PG. You don't have much negotiation room. Say no and Crabbe get's removed from the equation and the Knicks take on Leonard for additional assets. Simple as that. BKN knows Crabbe wasn't getting enough touches in POR and is underrated. That's why yall offered him what you did.

It's more than just Lin playing 20 games, he's apart of the culture now and we aint giving him away for no Crabbe cakes so you can be happy. Crabbe is an overpay now and yes we need more than just a little 2nd rounder to take him back, he has trade kicker also. We don't care what the Knicks need, we are not here to help you. And yea we will say no so go ahead and get Leonard then, were good. Crabbe doesn't play good defense and is barely a scorer, he's pretty much just a shooter now and we won't be giving him that much money to just shoot and not do much else.

[Trader_Joe]

POR OUT Crabbe, Harkless, Aminu, Swanigan, 1st Rounder (Lotto protected), 2nd Rounder
POR IN Melo, O'Quinn, Q. Acy

NYK OUT Melo, O'Quinn
NYK IN Lin, Harkless, Aminu, Swanigan, 1st Rounder (Lotto Protected)

BKN OUT Lin, Q. Acy
BKN IN Crabbe, 2nd Rounder

No we need more than just a 2nd rounder for Crabbe and we won't be giving away Lin for that.

You guys need more than a second rounder for a guy on a contract that you orchestrated? You guys would of had him if Portland didn't match. Lin played like 20 games last season, stop acting like he's some coveted piece. Y'all just traded for D'Russ. The entire reason BKN is even included in the trade is cause NY needs a PG. You don't have much negotiation room. Say no and Crabbe get's removed from the equation and the Knicks take on Leonard for additional assets. Simple as that. BKN knows Crabbe wasn't getting enough touches in POR and is underrated. That's why yall offered him what you did.

Yes.. a year ago we gave him that contract (which would be 15% more because of the Trade Kicker) but we also offered it before we had Harris, Goodwin, saw what LeVert could do and traded for Russell). We also realized he's not worth the contract from watching the last year.

This trade is way too good for NY and atrocious for BK.

[NotPhilJackson]

No we need more than just a 2nd rounder for Crabbe and we won't be giving away Lin for that.

You guys need more than a second rounder for a guy on a contract that you orchestrated? You guys would of had him if Portland didn't match. Lin played like 20 games last season, stop acting like he's some coveted piece. Y'all just traded for D'Russ. The entire reason BKN is even included in the trade is cause NY needs a PG. You don't have much negotiation room. Say no and Crabbe get's removed from the equation and the Knicks take on Leonard for additional assets. Simple as that. BKN knows Crabbe wasn't getting enough touches in POR and is underrated. That's why yall offered him what you did.

It's more than just Lin playing 20 games, he's apart of the culture now and we aint giving him away for no Crabbe cakes so you can be happy. Crabbe is an overpay now and yes we need more than just a little 2nd rounder to take him back, he has trade kicker also. We don't care what the Knicks need, we are not here to help you. And yea we will say no so go ahead and get Leonard then, were good. Crabbe doesn't play good defense and is barely a scorer, he's pretty much just a shooter now and we won't be giving him that much money to just shoot and not do much else.

Lol yall covet Lin like THAT? Haha I just wanted to see if there was any Linsanity still left in that kid. Keep him - We ain't havin you start robbing us of assets to take on a contract you created.

[Papi_swav]

You guys need more than a second rounder for a guy on a contract that you orchestrated? You guys would of had him if Portland didn't match. Lin played like 20 games last season, stop acting like he's some coveted piece. Y'all just traded for D'Russ. The entire reason BKN is even included in the trade is cause NY needs a PG. You don't have much negotiation room. Say no and Crabbe get's removed from the equation and the Knicks take on Leonard for additional assets. Simple as that. BKN knows Crabbe wasn't getting enough touches in POR and is underrated. That's why yall offered him what you did.

It's more than just Lin playing 20 games, he's apart of the culture now and we aint giving him away for no Crabbe cakes so you can be happy. Crabbe is an overpay now and yes we need more than just a little 2nd rounder to take him back, he has trade kicker also. We don't care what the Knicks need, we are not here to help you. And yea we will say no so go ahead and get Leonard then, were good. Crabbe doesn't play good defense and is barely a scorer, he's pretty much just a shooter now and we won't be giving him that much money to just shoot and not do much else.

Lol yall covet Lin like THAT? Haha I just wanted to see if there was any Linsanity still left in that kid. Keep him - We ain't havin you start robbing us of assets to take on a contract you created.

ok

[Hello Brooklyn]

POR OUT Crabbe, Harkless, Aminu, Swanigan, 1st Rounder (Lotto protected), 2nd Rounder
POR IN Melo, O'Quinn, Q. Acy

NYK OUT Melo, O'Quinn
NYK IN Lin, Harkless, Aminu, Swanigan, 1st Rounder (Lotto Protected)

BKN OUT Lin, Q. Acy
BKN IN Crabbe, 2nd Rounder

LMAO.

Nice try Knix fan.

Were not taking Crabbe's contract for a 2nd rounder.

You're getting nothing for Melo besides Ryan Anderson's contract.