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Post#1141 » by Crives » Wed May 22, 2019 5:52 am

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lilfishi22 wrote:I would be. If we can get some asset and grab Clarke closer to where he should be taken, I'd certainly consider it.


I like Tyler + #6 for #10 if Clarke is still available.

So we would be drafting for the Hawks not knowing if Clarke would be available when we make the deal? hmmm


I think this only goes down if culver is available to keep, whom we would probably draft as BPA regardless of trade.
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Re: Free agency and trade ideas: Which wings do we go after this summer? 

Post#1142 » by lilfishi22 » Wed May 22, 2019 6:11 am

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I like Tyler + #6 for #10 if Clarke is still available.

So we would be drafting for the Hawks not knowing if Clarke would be available when we make the deal? hmmm


I think this only goes down if culver is available to keep, whom we would probably draft as BPA regardless of trade.

I'm OK with that
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Re: Free agency and trade ideas: Which wings do we go after this summer? 

Post#1143 » by Crives » Wed May 22, 2019 6:16 am

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lilfishi22 wrote:So we would be drafting for the Hawks not knowing if Clarke would be available when we make the deal? hmmm


I think this only goes down if culver is available to keep, whom we would probably draft as BPA regardless of trade.

I'm OK with that


Then try to sign brogdon to the Aaron Gordon declining contract starting at $20m
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Re: Free agency and trade ideas: Which wings do we go after this summer? 

Post#1144 » by lilfishi22 » Wed May 22, 2019 6:26 am

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I think this only goes down if culver is available to keep, whom we would probably draft as BPA regardless of trade.

I'm OK with that


Then try to sign brogdon to the Aaron Gordon declining contract starting at $20m

You'll need to offer more than that for Milwaukee not to match. I don't think $20m starting is going to phase them
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Re: Free agency and trade ideas: Which wings do we go after this summer? 

Post#1145 » by bwgood77 » Wed May 22, 2019 6:31 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
Crives wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:I would be. If we can get some asset and grab Clarke closer to where he should be taken, I'd certainly consider it.


I like Tyler + #6 for #10 if Clarke is still available.

So we would be drafting for the Hawks not knowing if Clarke would be available when we make the deal? hmmm


Depends on who they want...and if we have him ranked in a similar place....like it we really wanted to clear Tyler's salary and had Clarke/Culver rated equally and they wanted Culver, so we took them and they took Clarke.
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Re: Free agency and trade ideas: Which wings do we go after this summer? 

Post#1146 » by Slim Charless » Wed May 22, 2019 8:14 am

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King Ken wrote:Hawks fan, I have some interest in #6 if all of the PG's are off the board (White, Garland and Morant). Would you be open to trading #6 for #10 based deal?

I would be. If we can get some asset and grab Clarke closer to where he should be taken, I'd certainly consider it.


I like Tyler + #6 for #10 if Clarke is still available.


I'd rather give up Tyler rather then JJ, I mean we already know what Tyler is. With Jackson being only 21 at least there's a chance he can be developed more. Plus if all ATL wants to offer is salary cap relief, might as well make it worth it and get rid of Tyler's 19+ million salary. That's a huge chunk of cap relief that can go towards chasing whomever they see fit.
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Post#1147 » by BobbieL » Wed May 22, 2019 1:45 pm

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King Ken wrote:Hawks fan, I have some interest in #6 if all of the PG's are off the board (White, Garland and Morant). Would you be open to trading #6 for #10 based deal?

I would be. If we can get some asset and grab Clarke closer to where he should be taken, I'd certainly consider it.


I like Tyler + #6 for #10 if Clarke is still available.


I have had the idea of Josh + 6 to trade back for Clarke. But the key thing is the Suns must make sure the team gets Clarke. It may seem like selling low on Josh but the bigger prize is 9m or so of cap space between dropping down in the draft and moving Josh Jackson. For the Suns to get cap space - it might take selling low on Josh.

Second move, and I like Tyler Johnson but if the Cavs would do Tyler/Bucks pick for JR and Zizic - you have to think about that too. I like Tyler but 19.4m is a lot of cash.

But if the Suns were to either: 1) if the LeBroners truly want GArland and move Ball and the Suns can use 6/Josh for Ball - that would leave some cap space for PF

2) the above scenario of Josh/6 for Clarke - they might not need to move Tyler JOhnson.
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Post#1148 » by Crives » Wed May 22, 2019 2:16 pm

This video has changed my mind about Clarke. He can hit 3s.

I think I’m taking him at 6.

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Post#1149 » by Crives » Wed May 22, 2019 2:23 pm

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lilfishi22 wrote:I would be. If we can get some asset and grab Clarke closer to where he should be taken, I'd certainly consider it.


I like Tyler + #6 for #10 if Clarke is still available.


I have had the idea of Josh + 6 to trade back for Clarke. But the key thing is the Suns must make sure the team gets Clarke. It may seem like selling low on Josh but the bigger prize is 9m or so of cap space between dropping down in the draft and moving Josh Jackson. For the Suns to get cap space - it might take selling low on Josh.

Second move, and I like Tyler Johnson but if the Cavs would do Tyler/Bucks pick for JR and Zizic - you have to think about that too. I like Tyler but 19.4m is a lot of cash.

But if the Suns were to either: 1) if the LeBroners truly want GArland and move Ball and the Suns can use 6/Josh for Ball - that would leave some cap space for PF

2) the above scenario of Josh/6 for Clarke - they might not need to move Tyler JOhnson.



If we do Josh + 6 I think we could go to 8.

But I don’t think I’m ready to give up on Josh. I get it... he sucked last year.
But his shot really started to turn around last year. 40% from 3 post all star break. He is still one of the top athletes in the league with a high motor, that might have become an elite 3p shooter. Sure maybe we could be a better team next year if we dump Josh. But we are not winning a title next year, and I believe we can make enough improvements next year to show progress while keeping Josh.

I believe Monty and our new development staff can turn Josh around.
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Post#1150 » by RunDogGun » Wed May 22, 2019 2:26 pm

If we are trading with ATL, I would rather trade JJ/#6/#32/MIL 1st for #8 and #10 and one of their later second rounders. That way they get the player they want at 6, and get second pick at players they can stash overseas. We can fill both our needs at 8 and 10, give us room to offer almost $20 mil to a FA point guard, and then use our exemption for a quality PF.
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Post#1151 » by BobbieL » Wed May 22, 2019 2:30 pm

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I like Tyler + #6 for #10 if Clarke is still available.


I have had the idea of Josh + 6 to trade back for Clarke. But the key thing is the Suns must make sure the team gets Clarke. It may seem like selling low on Josh but the bigger prize is 9m or so of cap space between dropping down in the draft and moving Josh Jackson. For the Suns to get cap space - it might take selling low on Josh.

Second move, and I like Tyler Johnson but if the Cavs would do Tyler/Bucks pick for JR and Zizic - you have to think about that too. I like Tyler but 19.4m is a lot of cash.

But if the Suns were to either: 1) if the LeBroners truly want GArland and move Ball and the Suns can use 6/Josh for Ball - that would leave some cap space for PF

2) the above scenario of Josh/6 for Clarke - they might not need to move Tyler JOhnson.



If we do Josh + 6 I think we could go to 8.

But I don’t think I’m ready to give up on Josh. I get it... he sucked last year.
But his shot really started to turn around last year. 40% from 3 post all star break. He is still one of the top athletes in the league with a high motor, that might have become an elite 3p shooter. Sure maybe we could be a better team next year if we dump Josh. But we are not winning a title next year, and I believe we can make enough improvements next year to show progress while keeping Josh.

I believe Monty and our new development staff can turn Josh around.


The reality is: Josh, TJ, the 6th pick and I haven't been including him but Tyler also - these are the players most likely to be moved to be a real player in free agency. Now, TJ might be a given - but I think a second one of those will need to happen too. Who knows, maybe its the Tyler/JR Smith deal opening up about 14-15m of cap space.
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Post#1152 » by Crives » Wed May 22, 2019 2:33 pm

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Post#1153 » by WeekapaugGroove » Wed May 22, 2019 3:12 pm

To me with Jackson it's hard to see an end game where he fits past his rookie deal that ends in two years. Who's he going to jump in the long term pecking order? Booker is just starting a 5 year deal and obviously not going anywhere. I would bet oubre is about to sign a 4 or 5 year deal and he's longer and generally better than Josh and only 1 year older, he's probably here for a while. Bridges has about 100 times the BBIQ of Josh and is a much better fit overall plus he's still on a rookie deal for 3 more years. As of right now Warren is still on the team and ahead of Josh, now decent chance he gets dealt.

So even if Josh improves to the point of not sucking its hard to see him getting a long term contract when he's up in two years. Plus they will need to decide whether to pick up his 9 mil 4th year extension in November. As of now he hasn't justified that and if you don't pick that up you might as well get rid of him because he'll walk after the year anyway and he also strikes me as the type who may not take that decision well and be a tough guy to be around.

People say 'be paitient and he's only 22' but decisions need to be made soon on him.

Jones chose not to pick up Benders 4th year option last year and considering the lack of depth at the 4 vs the wing spot there was a better argument for picking his up than joshs this coming year.

Now on the flip side they cut their losses with Chriss and used him in part to get Melton and that was the better use of an asset than what they did with Bender. There's a lesson to be learned there. Part of rebuilding with young players is learning when to cut bait and move on, not every pick works out.

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Post#1154 » by MathiasPW » Wed May 22, 2019 3:37 pm

Crives wrote:This video has changed my mind about Clarke. He can hit 3s.

I think I’m taking him at 6.

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While this is encouraging, take into account that anyone looks like a pro shooting in an empty gym and editing the part where you hit the most shots.

I believe in his shooting, though. Release point is low, but it's quick. He just needs to shorten the gathering time.
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Post#1155 » by King4Day » Wed May 22, 2019 3:38 pm

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Is shooting a knock on him?
What are his supposed flaws?
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Post#1156 » by MathiasPW » Wed May 22, 2019 3:43 pm

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Is shooting a knock on him?
What are his supposed flaws?
Shooting and size for his position
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Post#1157 » by RedIndian » Wed May 22, 2019 3:57 pm

What do people think of Josh Richardson as a fit next to Booker in the back court?

I quite like him. Not a pure PG, but the kind of combo guard that would work very well next to Book. Good size, tough defender, can handle the ball, and looks to be a rapidly improving scorer

Would we be willing to trade #6 for him? Would the Heat do that deal?
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Post#1158 » by WeekapaugGroove » Wed May 22, 2019 4:04 pm

RedIndian wrote:What do people think of Josh Richardson as a fit next to Booker in the back court?

I quite like him. Not a pure PG, but the kind of combo guard that would work very well next to Book. Good size, tough defender, can handle the ball, and looks to be a rapidly improving scorer

Would we be willing to trade #6 for him? Would the Heat do that deal?
Oh yeah I'd do that, he's probably the heats best player so not sure they would want to move him.

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Post#1159 » by RedIndian » Wed May 22, 2019 4:08 pm

They like him quite a bit on the Heat board, but some still seem to prefer Winslow. They do need a PG for the future - so perhaps the prospect of Garland at #6 might tempt them?
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Post#1160 » by WeekapaugGroove » Wed May 22, 2019 4:14 pm

RedIndian wrote:They like him quite a bit on the Heat board, but some still seem to prefer Winslow. They do need a PG for the future - so perhaps the prospect of Garland at #6 might tempt them?
Selfishly I like point Winslow, he's on my dynasty fantasy team and put up some nice numbers in that role when Goran was hurt this past year :)

I don't think it's completely out of the question Miami would trade Richardson for 6 if they fell in love with a prospect and as I was saying I'd do that deal in a heartbeat if I were the suns.

Miami is actually hard to figure out what their plan might be this summer. They could go a bunch of different directions.
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