2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th!

[Leslie Forman]

Devon Dotson looks like a potential steal IMO. He's got all the traits to be a Lowry/VanVleet type of guy.

[Magic beans]

If Haliburton actually has a 6'11" - 7' wingspan I really think this board should be more excited about him.

He has a very reasonable path to be a plus player physically at the NBA level. All he has to do is bulk up a bit, and he's there. I think that separates him from someone like Deni or Hayes who seem average.

He's been absolutely dominant in transition in college which to me bodes well for the spread-it-out style of play that most NBA teams are trying to achieve. He'd immediately be by far our best passer and he should be a nice defender as well. His spot up shooting is already there (FT% strong too).

I understand his shooting off the dribble is not there, but this guy would be no doubt #1 overall pick if he could shoot off the dribble.

Yes. You and me are in the minority about Tyrese Haliburton. I made in depth post about him in another thread. https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1987725&start=60

He's our guy at number 4. His advanced metrics are really good. He's efficient as hell. He's currently the 2nd best prospect (people will disagree, but I don't give a crap).

He's probably the true number one pick. A kid who might be able to get John Stockton numbers. I can tell that LaMelo and Killian Hayes doesn't have the IQ and skills to do what Haliburton does.

And yes, if he score off the dribble and drew a lot of fouls then he's the number one pick, no question.

Haliburton is my top point guard pick. See him as the most complete and league ready option. Decent size and length. Only concern being that quirky looking jumper!??!

[Magic beans]

If Haliburton actually has a 6'11" - 7' wingspan I really think this board should be more excited about him.

He has a very reasonable path to be a plus player physically at the NBA level. All he has to do is bulk up a bit, and he's there. I think that separates him from someone like Deni or Hayes who seem average.

He's been absolutely dominant in transition in college which to me bodes well for the spread-it-out style of play that most NBA teams are trying to achieve. He'd immediately be by far our best passer and he should be a nice defender as well. His spot up shooting is already there (FT% strong too).

I understand his shooting off the dribble is not there, but this guy would be no doubt #1 overall pick if he could shoot off the dribble.

Yes. You and me are in the minority about Tyrese Haliburton. I made in depth post about him in another thread. https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1987725&start=60

He's our guy at number 4. His advanced metrics are really good. He's efficient as hell. He's currently the 2nd best prospect (people will disagree, but I don't give a crap).

He's probably the true number one pick. A kid who might be able to get John Stockton numbers. I can tell that LaMelo and Killian Hayes doesn't have the IQ and skills to do what Haliburton does.

And yes, if he score off the dribble and drew a lot of fouls then he's the number one pick, no question.

Haliburton is my top point guard pick. See him as the most complete and league ready option. Decent size and length. Only concern being that quirky looking jumper!??!

Would much prefer him running the point rather than White. Think Haliburton game would really complement LaVine, and would create so much space for Markkanen and WCJ to operate.

[Fastbrk4brkfast]

Yes. You and me are in the minority about Tyrese Haliburton. I made in depth post about him in another thread. https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1987725&start=60

He's our guy at number 4. His advanced metrics are really good. He's efficient as hell. He's currently the 2nd best prospect (people will disagree, but I don't give a crap).

He's probably the true number one pick. A kid who might be able to get John Stockton numbers. I can tell that LaMelo and Killian Hayes doesn't have the IQ and skills to do what Haliburton does.

And yes, if he score off the dribble and drew a lot of fouls then he's the number one pick, no question.

Haliburton is my top point guard pick. See him as the most complete and league ready option. Decent size and length. Only concern being that quirky looking jumper!??!

Would much prefer him running the point rather than White. Think Haliburton game would really complement LaVine, and would create so much space for Markkanen and WCJ to operate.

White's game wouldn't complement Lavine? Over the course of the season Lavine seemed to think it would.

Not picking on you I wanted to bring this up anyway. I'm not sure there's a point guard in this draft that wouldn't get owned 1 v 1 against Coby. Why am I wrong? I'm feeling like the desire for a pg on this board is either due to a poor evaluation of Coby White or just out of habit because we've been looking for one every year since forever.

[Fastbrk4brkfast]

Starting to think the thing to do might be take Toppin at 4 and see if anyone wants out of a mid-1st to grab Haliburton. We should be greedy like that.

[cjbulls]

Haliburton is my top point guard pick. See him as the most complete and league ready option. Decent size and length. Only concern being that quirky looking jumper!??!

Would much prefer him running the point rather than White. Think Haliburton game would really complement LaVine, and would create so much space for Markkanen and WCJ to operate.

White's game wouldn't complement Lavine? Over the course of the season Lavine seemed to think it would.

Not picking on you I wanted to bring this up anyway. I'm not sure there's a point guard in this draft that wouldn't get owned 1 v 1 against Coby. Why am I wrong? I'm feeling like the desire for a pg on this board is either due to a poor evaluation of Coby White or just out of habit because we've been looking for one every year since forever.

It comes from the idea that neither Coby nor Lavine know how to run the offense for a team, only themselves. It may be too early to judge Coby. But definitely seems true of Lavine. I think many would prefer a pure pg or combo pg with pg tendencies (like Hali or Hayes) to develop along side the more scoring oriented combos.

[VolumePoster]

I'm still staying with Haliburton. Weight as a negative is a problem that takes care of itself because everyone puts on weight in their 20's. Also the fact that he doesn't spend a lot of time creating his shot I actually think is a positive for a PG. He seems to create shots off the dribble plenty but he seems to create them for others which is good for me. It isn't like he has a bad handle or can't attack a defense he's getting other people involved.

I feel like all of these guys have negatives but Haliburton's negatives are either inconsequential or in line with the way I prefer a PG to play. The guy can clearly knock down open shots so if anyone leaves him he can make them pay and his vision and discipline passing seem exceptional and he seems like he can be a good defender as well at 6'5" for a PG. There really isn't anything I don't like about this kid. I really want to trade down for Haliburton and Vassell and I know that's difficult but that is my dream draft I think.

He’s a very good fit with both Lavine and Coby, a facilitator who plays strong defense and can spread the floor.

[MrSparkle]

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Seems Ricky O’Donnell is very high on LaMelo and Hayes (while admitting the draft is bad). Low on Deni. FWIW he was high on UCLA Lonzo and Fultz. I guess a lot of people were.

Ok - I get the emphasis on needing a gifted playmaker, and both those guy’s size is appealing.

I know we talk about “need vs bpa”, but if you can handle the ball like Simmons or Rubio, doesn’t matter if you become the butt of everyone’s shooting joke like Ben or become a journeyman like Rubio... fact is both still provide a lot for their teams.

I’m not principally against Hayes or Ball, I just don’t see “it.” But glad to be wrong if insider’s have a better scoop.

My main fear with LaMelo is literally nobody likes playing with him and he’s as much of a burned #2 as Lonzo in LA. Between Okoro, Deni, Okongwu — there is talent that will likely make you regret it.

[pipfan]

Pick Obi
Trade Lauri to Suns (Lauri/Sato/#16 to Suns, Oubre to Port, Ariza-buy out-and #10 to Bulls)
Pick Haliburton

White/Hali
Lavine/White
Porter/Hutch
Young/Obi
Carter/Gafford
Deep bench of Archie, ShaqH, Mokolo, Kornet, Fatty)

More cap space next summer (Lauri's cap hold vs. #10 pick salary-about an extra $12 million)

Young grooms Obi to start next season

[PlayerUp]

Seems Ricky O’Donnell is very high on LaMelo and Hayes (while admitting the draft is bad). Low on Deni. FWIW he was high on UCLA Lonzo and Fultz. I guess a lot of people were.

Look at his recent mock drafts from 2018 and 2019. Ricky seems to do a better job than most at predicting draft talent. 2017 he was way off.

[Fastbrk4brkfast]

Would much prefer him running the point rather than White. Think Haliburton game would really complement LaVine, and would create so much space for Markkanen and WCJ to operate.

White's game wouldn't complement Lavine? Over the course of the season Lavine seemed to think it would.

Not picking on you I wanted to bring this up anyway. I'm not sure there's a point guard in this draft that wouldn't get owned 1 v 1 against Coby. Why am I wrong? I'm feeling like the desire for a pg on this board is either due to a poor evaluation of Coby White or just out of habit because we've been looking for one every year since forever.

It comes from the idea that neither Coby nor Lavine know how to run the offense for a team, only themselves. It may be too early to judge Coby. But definitely seems true of Lavine. I think many would prefer a pure pg or combo pg with pg tendencies (like Hali or Hayes) to develop along side the more scoring oriented combos.

I think Coby can but yeah we definitely need more than half a season off the bench for Boylen to figure that out. Overall I feel much better about the Bulls' guard rotation than our forwards right now. Maybe now's the time to snag a playmaking pg since there seem to be strong prospects in this draft. But there are also a couple forwards who could become monsters and that's the bigger rotation gap. Any point guard is going to be better with better targets to assist.

[PlayerUp]

If LaMelo falls to #3 I think the Bulls will have to move up to get him. What would that offer look like? #4, Thad, Sato for #3?

Not worth moving up in this draft.

Our focus should be moving down and picking up another future asset, not giving up an asset to move up in a weak draft at the top.

[coldfish]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-mock-draft-2020-lamelo-ball-taken-by-timberwolves-at-no-1-after-they-win-nba-draft-lottery/

There are a lot of mock drafts floating around with Edwards falling a little. IMO, if there is even a chance the Bulls could get him, they really should. He is raw and has some attitude questions but he is pretty much the only guy who really jumps out on tape to me. Really long arms, physical, athletic, good shooting form. He would be a multi year project but has the highest upside in the draft, IMO.

I'm not worried at all about positions. By the time Edwards would be truly ready, most of the roster is going to be turned over.

I have no strong opinion on Edwards right now, but how can you not be worried about positions?

You can’t have a bunch of young ball dominant scorers on one roster and expect them to develop. They’ll get in each other’s way and the other players will never get a respite from all the developing hero ball. At best, it’ll turn into a your turn-my turn scenario which is just bad basketball.

I’m all for BPA in this draft and don’t mind doubling up at a position (just as an example, Toppin when you have Lauri), but there is an exception for “ball dominant guards”. If they end up with Edwards they must move on from one of the other two or they’re asking for a scenario that kills the development of all 3, and Lauri, and WCJ and whoever else you want to throw in.

IMO there is enough minutes available for a player taken at any position. Look at Edwards. He could play next to Lavine or Coby or Sato at the 2 and any combination of them at the 3.

Part of the development is teaching guys to share the ball and move off of it. If the coach is letting one guy pound the ball for 20 seconds each possession, that's a coaching problem that is going to create issues regardless of who you draft.

[Fastbrk4brkfast]

Pick Obi
Trade Lauri to Suns (Lauri/Sato/#16 to Suns, Oubre to Port, Ariza-buy out-and #10 to Bulls)
Pick Haliburton

White/Hali
Lavine/White
Porter/Hutch
Young/Obi
Carter/Gafford
Deep bench of Archie, ShaqH, Mokolo, Kornet, Fatty)

More cap space next summer (Lauri's cap hold vs. #10 pick salary-about an extra $12 million)

Young grooms Obi to start next season

I wonder if it'll take Lauri to bring back a pick like that. The way the league's financials are right now teams might be willing to do crazy things to dump salary.

[Ugly Duckling]

1. Edwards
2. Ball
3. Toppin
4. Nesmith
5. Okongwu
6. Wiseman

This is my updated board. Haven't seen anyone worth drafting at 4 outside of these 6. Have serious questions about most of them, especially Wiseman

[MrSparkle]

Seems Ricky O’Donnell is very high on LaMelo and Hayes (while admitting the draft is bad). Low on Deni. FWIW he was high on UCLA Lonzo and Fultz. I guess a lot of people were.

Look at his recent mock drafts from 2018 and 2019. Ricky seems to do a better job than most at predicting draft talent. 2017 he was way off.

For sure. For the wild swings that mock drafts and actual rookie rankings have, he's got a pretty solid hit rate.

[biggestbullsfan]

After some review, I wouldn’t be mad at Killian Hayes. He could compliment White and Lavine if we went with a small lineup and it would be a good 3 guard rotation.

[Ugly Duckling]

Starting to think the thing to do might be take Toppin at 4 and see if anyone wants out of a mid-1st to grab Haliburton. We should be greedy like that.

If he's still there at 4. No on Haliburton. No upside. I'd rather run Coby

[PaKii94]

I would be estatic if somehow bulls traded down from 4 to snag vassell and haliburton

[cjbulls]

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Seems Ricky O’Donnell is very high on LaMelo and Hayes (while admitting the draft is bad). Low on Deni. FWIW he was high on UCLA Lonzo and Fultz. I guess a lot of people were.

Ok - I get the emphasis on needing a gifted playmaker, and both those guy’s size is appealing.

I know we talk about “need vs bpa”, but if you can handle the ball like Simmons or Rubio, doesn’t matter if you become the butt of everyone’s shooting joke like Ben or become a journeyman like Rubio... fact is both still provide a lot for their teams.

I’m not principally against Hayes or Ball, I just don’t see “it.” But glad to be wrong if insider’s have a better scoop.

My main fear with LaMelo is literally nobody likes playing with him and he’s as much of a burned #2 as Lonzo in LA. Between Okoro, Deni, Okongwu — there is talent that will likely make you regret it.

Is this your concern, or are you saying this has been an actual issue for him?

Ball seems so confusing for me. I’m starting to think I’d rather they just trade for Lonzo at this point since his value is so low and he at least plays defense. You could probably get him for Hutch or something.