Official Trade Thread Part XLV

[WallToWall]

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Jordan Poole and future draft assets for CP3 is not a bad return at all!

[pcbothwel]

WHAT A TERRIBLE TRADE... A protected 1st in 2030?!?... Pooles contract is terrible... what the hell just we just dump salary for?!?

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[80sballboy]

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[Tyrone Messby]

Poole is only 24 and by the time we are competitive again could be in his prime. I think it’s a great trade.

[80sballboy]

Greatest memory of the CP3 era in Washington?

[MikeTheKid]

Poole is gonna play 40mpg and put up 40fga

[80sballboy]

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[MikeTheKid]

Greatest memory of the CP3 era in Washington?

The Good Morning America interview I think

[Tyrone Messby]

And…we could always trade Poole after he puts up insane numbers for us being the only option

[NatP4]

We just took on 128 million for a protected pick 7 years from now?

[WallStar]

Kinda defeats the purpose of a salary dump, but I like the trade. Not too long ago people were saying Poole will be the next superstar. A change of scenery will do him well. He's now the face of this franchise. If he can keep himself composed and doesn't let his ego get to his head, he will be fine. Like some said, we can trade him for assets once he accumulates stats.

[doclinkin]

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I liked Ryan Rollins in the draft. Smooth player. Ate up players in the combine. Curious how he turns out.

[joshuacf]

It's not irrelevant. Because they both had player options Kuz dipped 4 days free agent bye! KP waited till the deadline and gave us an option to trade him or he walked for nothing. Kuz did walk for nothing. This notion of a S&T is silly because they are rare and hard to pull off. It's not the same the situations are totally different. Kuz walked from a 13 million $ deal to go get more money which there are probably teams that will give him that money. KP was on 36 Millon $ deal and was more or less awhere that the temperature for giving him a long term deal was cold. Agents know things we don't. There are conversations in backs that we don't hear about. Kuz opting out tells something KP not opting out tells us something.

Kuzma opted out because his player option was for 13 million dollars. There was never any chance of him playing for that amount this season.

KP was willing to opt in because his player option was for 36 million dollars.

Winnger and the boys probably had talk with both. Hey guys can you not opt out can work on trade can you work with us. Kuz listening to his agent said naw I know the moneys out there I'm out. KP listening to his agent said I'll give you till the deadline too the deadline to get something good for me or I'm opting out.

This is a fake scenario you created in your head. There was never any chance of Kuzma opting in for 13 million this year.

The difference is Kuz walked, he didn't choose to work with us and get somewhere who wanted to pay him. So if he comes around later and asks us to help him out to get to a team who doesn't have the money to pay him, say the Lakers. The leverage comes in here. Oh now you need our help? Huh well now it's gonna cost ya. Because if that's the only way they can get him we have leverage and the long we stall the less money is out there for him cuz teams don't wait they will sign someone else. So if they don't play ball with us they don't get him and he loses out on who knows how much money.

The only way the Celtics could have gotten KP is by working with us. What do you not understand about that? This same leverage that you are claiming we have over the Lakers is leverage we also had over the Celtics.

If KP had walked, he wouldn't have been able to go to the Celtics. So we had the same leverage that you are talking about with Kuzma.

Can someone else affirm that we don't have more leverage in trading Kuzma than we did with KP, and that getting the #17th pick from the Lakers in a Kuzma S&T is never going to happen?

[JAR69]

Like deals, don't like deals ... whatever, this is fun.

[gambitx777]

It's not irrelevant. Because they both had player options Kuz dipped 4 days free agent bye! KP waited till the deadline and gave us an option to trade him or he walked for nothing. Kuz did walk for nothing. This notion of a S&T is silly because they are rare and hard to pull off. It's not the same the situations are totally different. Kuz walked from a 13 million $ deal to go get more money which there are probably teams that will give him that money. KP was on 36 Millon $ deal and was more or less awhere that the temperature for giving him a long term deal was cold. Agents know things we don't. There are conversations in backs that we don't hear about. Kuz opting out tells something KP not opting out tells us something.

Kuzma opted out because his player option was for 13 million dollars. There was never any chance of him playing for that amount this season.

KP was willing to opt in because his player option was for 36 million dollars.

Winnger and the boys probably had talk with both. Hey guys can you not opt out can work on trade can you work with us. Kuz listening to his agent said naw I know the moneys out there I'm out. KP listening to his agent said I'll give you till the deadline too the deadline to get something good for me or I'm opting out.

This is a fake scenario you created in your head. There was never any chance of Kuzma opting in for 13 million this year.

The difference is Kuz walked, he didn't choose to work with us and get somewhere who wanted to pay him. So if he comes around later and asks us to help him out to get to a team who doesn't have the money to pay him, say the Lakers. The leverage comes in here. Oh now you need our help? Huh well now it's gonna cost ya. Because if that's the only way they can get him we have leverage and the long we stall the less money is out there for him cuz teams don't wait they will sign someone else. So if they don't play ball with us they don't get him and he loses out on who knows how much money.

The only way the Celtics could have gotten KP is by working with us. What do you not understand about that? This same leverage that you are claiming we have over the Lakers is leverage we also had over the Celtics.

If KP had walked, he wouldn't have been able to go to the Celtics. So we had the same leverage that you are talking about with Kuzma.

Can someone else affirm that we don't have more leverage in trading Kuzma than we did with KP, and that getting the #17th pick from the Lakers in a Kuzma S&T is never going to happen?

One reason that isn't true is pretty simple Denis schrouder look at what happened to him opted out on a cold free agent market when he has 21 mill on the table from the Lakers. To this day hasn't made that money back.

KPs agents actions and opting to negotiate telegraph that they know the market might be cold due to his injury history and they aren't risking it. Bostons will also know this and while they want him they are much more willing to let him walk and roll the dice on him striking out in free agency and possibly getting him for nothing on a nothing deal later. That's how we ended up here.

Also the Lakers aren't trading the 17th pick because they can't it will be after the draft the best they can do is trade the kids rights in a deal which are historically much less valuable than the pick it's self.

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[gambitx777]

This is the most fun I've had as a wizards fan since the year we thought al horford was gonna sign here lol. Man that team would have been good if you take out mahinmi and put horford in as a PF/C next to gortat with wall beal and porter.

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[joshuacf]

It's not irrelevant. Because they both had player options Kuz dipped 4 days free agent bye! KP waited till the deadline and gave us an option to trade him or he walked for nothing. Kuz did walk for nothing. This notion of a S&T is silly because they are rare and hard to pull off. It's not the same the situations are totally different. Kuz walked from a 13 million $ deal to go get more money which there are probably teams that will give him that money. KP was on 36 Millon $ deal and was more or less awhere that the temperature for giving him a long term deal was cold. Agents know things we don't. There are conversations in backs that we don't hear about. Kuz opting out tells something KP not opting out tells us something.

Kuzma opted out because his player option was for 13 million dollars. There was never any chance of him playing for that amount this season.

KP was willing to opt in because his player option was for 36 million dollars.

Winnger and the boys probably had talk with both. Hey guys can you not opt out can work on trade can you work with us. Kuz listening to his agent said naw I know the moneys out there I'm out. KP listening to his agent said I'll give you till the deadline too the deadline to get something good for me or I'm opting out.

This is a fake scenario you created in your head. There was never any chance of Kuzma opting in for 13 million this year.

The difference is Kuz walked, he didn't choose to work with us and get somewhere who wanted to pay him. So if he comes around later and asks us to help him out to get to a team who doesn't have the money to pay him, say the Lakers. The leverage comes in here. Oh now you need our help? Huh well now it's gonna cost ya. Because if that's the only way they can get him we have leverage and the long we stall the less money is out there for him cuz teams don't wait they will sign someone else. So if they don't play ball with us they don't get him and he loses out on who knows how much money.

The only way the Celtics could have gotten KP is by working with us. What do you not understand about that? This same leverage that you are claiming we have over the Lakers is leverage we also had over the Celtics.

If KP had walked, he wouldn't have been able to go to the Celtics. So we had the same leverage that you are talking about with Kuzma.

Can someone else affirm that we don't have more leverage in trading Kuzma than we did with KP, and that getting the #17th pick from the Lakers in a Kuzma S&T is never going to happen?

One reason that isn't true is pretty simple Denis schrouder look at what happened to him opted out on a cold free agent market when he has 21 mill on the table from the Lakers. To this day hasn't made that money back.

KPs agents actions and opting to negotiate telegraph that they know the market might be cold due to his injury history and they aren't risking it. Bostons will also know this and while they want him they are much more willing to let him walk and roll the dice on him striking out in free agency and possibly getting him for nothing on a nothing deal later. That's how we ended up here.

Also the Lakers aren't trading the 17th pick because they can't it will be after the draft the best they can do is trade the kids rights in a deal which are historically much less valuable than the pick it's self.

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Dude, you actually don't have any idea what you're talking about right now.

Schroder turned down a contract offer midseason. His value then proceeded to tank in the playoffs.

Kuzma's season is over. He has a very good idea of the contract he will get in Free Agency. Baring an offseason injury, he was never ever ever ever going to opt in for the 13 million.

KP's injury history has nothing to do with the amount of leverage we had with the Celtics. In both the Kuzma and KP situations, the team we are trading them to can only get them by working with us. None of these other points you are bringing up matter.

I'm not going to continue this discussion with you. You keep bringing up things that aren't relevant to try and make a point that you don't know how to make. I'm not sure if you're just being stubborn or genuinely aren't processing this, but you are wrong. There is no functional, relevant difference between the hypothetical Kuzma situation with the Lakers and the KP situation with the Celtics.

[gambitx777]

Kuzma opted out because his player option was for 13 million dollars. There was never any chance of him playing for that amount this season.

KP was willing to opt in because his player option was for 36 million dollars.



This is a fake scenario you created in your head. There was never any chance of Kuzma opting in for 13 million this year.



The only way the Celtics could have gotten KP is by working with us. What do you not understand about that? This same leverage that you are claiming we have over the Lakers is leverage we also had over the Celtics.

If KP had walked, he wouldn't have been able to go to the Celtics. So we had the same leverage that you are talking about with Kuzma.

Can someone else affirm that we don't have more leverage in trading Kuzma than we did with KP, and that getting the #17th pick from the Lakers in a Kuzma S&T is never going to happen?

One reason that isn't true is pretty simple Denis schrouder look at what happened to him opted out on a cold free agent market when he has 21 mill on the table from the Lakers. To this day hasn't made that money back.

KPs agents actions and opting to negotiate telegraph that they know the market might be cold due to his injury history and they aren't risking it. Bostons will also know this and while they want him they are much more willing to let him walk and roll the dice on him striking out in free agency and possibly getting him for nothing on a nothing deal later. That's how we ended up here.

Also the Lakers aren't trading the 17th pick because they can't it will be after the draft the best they can do is trade the kids rights in a deal which are historically much less valuable than the pick it's self.

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Dude, you actually don't have any idea what you're talking about right now.

Schroder turned down a contract offer midseason. His value then proceeded to tank in the playoffs.

Kuzma's season is over. He has a very good idea of the contract he will get in Free Agency. Baring an offseason injury, he was never ever ever ever going to opt in for the 13 million.

KP's injury history has nothing to do with the amount of leverage we had with the Celtics. In both the Kuzma and KP situations, the team we are trading them to can only get them by working with us. None of these other points you are bringing up matter.

I'm not going to continue this discussion with you. You keep bringing up things that aren't relevant to try and make a point that you don't know how to make. I'm not sure if you're just being stubborn or genuinely aren't processing this, but you are wrong. There is no functional, relevant difference between the hypothetical Kuzma situation with the Lakers and the KP situation with the Celtics.

I know exactly what I'm talking about do listen to just about any insider on the trade.

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[joshuacf]

One reason that isn't true is pretty simple Denis schrouder look at what happened to him opted out on a cold free agent market when he has 21 mill on the table from the Lakers. To this day hasn't made that money back.

KPs agents actions and opting to negotiate telegraph that they know the market might be cold due to his injury history and they aren't risking it. Bostons will also know this and while they want him they are much more willing to let him walk and roll the dice on him striking out in free agency and possibly getting him for nothing on a nothing deal later. That's how we ended up here.

Also the Lakers aren't trading the 17th pick because they can't it will be after the draft the best they can do is trade the kids rights in a deal which are historically much less valuable than the pick it's self.

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Dude, you actually don't have any idea what you're talking about right now.

Schroder turned down a contract offer midseason. His value then proceeded to tank in the playoffs.

Kuzma's season is over. He has a very good idea of the contract he will get in Free Agency. Baring an offseason injury, he was never ever ever ever going to opt in for the 13 million.

KP's injury history has nothing to do with the amount of leverage we had with the Celtics. In both the Kuzma and KP situations, the team we are trading them to can only get them by working with us. None of these other points you are bringing up matter.

I'm not going to continue this discussion with you. You keep bringing up things that aren't relevant to try and make a point that you don't know how to make. I'm not sure if you're just being stubborn or genuinely aren't processing this, but you are wrong. There is no functional, relevant difference between the hypothetical Kuzma situation with the Lakers and the KP situation with the Celtics.

I know exactly what I'm talking about do listen to just about any insider on the trade.

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Please direct me to any insider who says we didn't have any leverage in the KP trade, but we will have leverage in a hypothetical Kuzma trade. I'll wait.

[bsilver]

We still have 3 PGs, and with the Porzingus trade Boston is left with Brogden and Pritchard. Could we turn Morris or Wright into the 25th pick they just got from Memphis? If we would have to take some salary back from Boston it’s not clear who it would be. Horford at 10M?