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With the 19th Pick, the Raptors select Ja'Kobe Walter!

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Re: With the 19th Pick, the Raptors select Ja'Kobe Walter! 

Post#1141 » by Psubs » Mon Dec 23, 2024 11:24 pm

gbball wrote:Like some others have said he's got some SGA in his game, obviously he's a long ways from being a comparable player. It's a comp I was hopeful for at some point down the road if he improved his on ball creation skills. But it looks like he's way ahead of what I thought in that regard.

Most impressive is the maturity and the way he can make good things happen out of nothing. He's got some of Lowry's tenacity and compete in him too.

I'm looking forward to seeing how he does the rest of this season.

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He has amazing English on his layups.

Love how he gets hyped up on making great offensive and defensive plays. Seem like his floor is Dejounte Murray that can shoot better?
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Re: With the 19th Pick, the Raptors select Ja'Kobe Walter! 

Post#1142 » by Reeko » Mon Dec 23, 2024 11:35 pm

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Thaddy wrote:He's going to be a good player for us as soon as a few months. He'll be making a case for a starting role by next season. He would be a great third option that also provides defense and rebounding.

He has more tools than Gradey. I can see him being a starter over him. He makes sense next to IQ because of his defensive side and massive wingspan.

Projecting forward, I don't see why our solution wouldn't be to have both Gradey and Ja'Kobe starting. Does IQ do anything other than maybe passing at a higher level than those two are projected to? I think they both have a lot of potential in terms of passing as well tbh. We'll see, maybe Quickley really has taken that next step to where you can conclusively say that he's our PG of the future but as of right now I'm not fully bought in on that idea.

IQ scores the above the break 3 better than a lot of guys in the NBA, he has issues getting up volume though. Until Gradey and Walter can get their three point shots in line they aren't overtaking IQ.

If it's just a matter of 3 point shooting then it's just a matter of time before they overtake him. It's not like IQ is some 40% 3 point shooter at this stage, he's a career 37.5% shooter from 3. Gradey's shooting 35.4% on the season and I assume that both he and Walter will both get significantly better as time goes on.
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Re: With the 19th Pick, the Raptors select Ja'Kobe Walter! 

Post#1143 » by mademan » Mon Dec 23, 2024 11:50 pm

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Reeko wrote:Projecting forward, I don't see why our solution wouldn't be to have both Gradey and Ja'Kobe starting. Does IQ do anything other than maybe passing at a higher level than those two are projected to? I think they both have a lot of potential in terms of passing as well tbh. We'll see, maybe Quickley really has taken that next step to where you can conclusively say that he's our PG of the future but as of right now I'm not fully bought in on that idea.


As of now, IQ is really the only guy besides RJ who can get into the paint and put pressure at the rim. Scottie can't do really do that from the 3pt line like those guys. If Walter improves to the point he can, then ya, no reason he cant share point guard duties with Scottie in a starting lineup. Probably works even more if we end up with Flagg or Demin to play SF

That's not true, Gradey puts more pressure on the rim than anybody outside of RJ. And Gradey actually gets all the way to the rim, he's not pulling up for floaters.


Scottie and Jakob also put pressure on the rim. I mean from the 3pt line as a 3 level scorer, IQ and RJ are the only guys who can create that way. Dick can get to the rim when guys overplay the shot in a catch-and-shoot position, but he's not calling for a screen at the top of the key and creating on ball. We really only have 2 guys that can consistently do that
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Re: With the 19th Pick, the Raptors select Ja'Kobe Walter! 

Post#1144 » by LoveMyRaps » Tue Dec 24, 2024 12:00 am

One 20 point performance, and here come the Jaylen Brown and SGA comparisons. :lol:
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Re: With the 19th Pick, the Raptors select Ja'Kobe Walter! 

Post#1145 » by Reeko » Tue Dec 24, 2024 12:52 am

LoveMyRaps wrote:One 20 point performance, and here come the Jaylen Brown and SGA comparisons. :lol:

People have been making the SGA comps since Summer League. I didn't agree with it then, but I see it more now.
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Re: With the 19th Pick, the Raptors select Ja'Kobe Walter! 

Post#1146 » by pingpongrac » Tue Dec 24, 2024 12:56 am

TheProfessor wrote:Kid might be terrible as a whole in terms of production/stats/impact, but he is flashing skills which is nice to see, hopefully the skills lead to production in year 2/3.


15/6/3 per36 is pretty good for a rookie. He has obviously struggled with his efficiency, but he is trending in the right direction (57 TS% over the last 5 games) while his impact numbers have actually been good (+4.4 on/off according to Cleaning the Glass).
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Re: With the 19th Pick, the Raptors select Ja'Kobe Walter! 

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Re: With the 19th Pick, the Raptors select Ja'Kobe Walter! 

Post#1148 » by TheProfessor » Tue Dec 24, 2024 3:22 am

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TheProfessor wrote:Kid might be terrible as a whole in terms of production/stats/impact, but he is flashing skills which is nice to see, hopefully the skills lead to production in year 2/3.


15/6/3 per36 is pretty good for a rookie. He has obviously struggled with his efficiency, but he is trending in the right direction (57 TS% over the last 5 games) while his impact numbers have actually been good (+4.4 on/off according to Cleaning the Glass).


HIs BPM and EPM are poor, but again he is a rookie not complaining. Kid just needs to hit the gym and put on 10-15lbs in the next 2 years. If he starts producing positive impact in year 3, I am still going to be happy.
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Post#1149 » by YogurtProducer » Tue Dec 24, 2024 3:40 am

Psubs wrote:Love how he gets hyped up on making great offensive and defensive plays. Seem like his floor is Dejounte Murray that can shoot better?

Oh boy.. here we go..
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Re: With the 19th Pick, the Raptors select Ja'Kobe Walter! 

Post#1150 » by LoveMyRaps » Tue Dec 24, 2024 3:54 am

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Psubs wrote:Love how he gets hyped up on making great offensive and defensive plays. Seem like his floor is Dejounte Murray that can shoot better?

Oh boy.. here we go..


His floor is an all-star and all-defensive player. :lol:
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Post#1151 » by Mr.Raptorsingh » Tue Dec 24, 2024 3:57 am

Time to flip Gradley
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Post#1152 » by Psubs » Tue Dec 24, 2024 3:59 am

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Psubs wrote:Love how he gets hyped up on making great offensive and defensive plays. Seem like his floor is Dejounte Murray that can shoot better?

Oh boy.. here we go..


Did you see Darko use him at POA and Brunson couldn't do anything.

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Re: With the 19th Pick, the Raptors select Ja'Kobe Walter! 

Post#1153 » by Psubs » Tue Dec 24, 2024 4:00 am

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:Time to flip Gradley


Time to flip Davion, Brown, Boucher, Olynyk and then maybe RJ in the summer.
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Re: With the 19th Pick, the Raptors select Ja'Kobe Walter! 

Post#1154 » by Thaddy » Tue Dec 24, 2024 4:36 am

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Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:Time to flip Gradley


Time to flip Davion, Brown, Boucher, Olynyk and then maybe RJ in the summer.

Gradey and Walter should be the future PG and SG. We should use Barnes as the primary ball handler along with another point forward like Flagg or Demin. Then trade for an elite C like Embiid.

Embiid
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That would be great and we'd have the depth to keep Embiid healthy.
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Post#1155 » by Shwaguy » Tue Dec 24, 2024 4:36 am

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:Time to flip Gradley



Gradey is better. Especially in the long term. Much more upside.
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Post#1156 » by Harcore Fenton Mun » Tue Dec 24, 2024 4:40 am

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:Time to flip IQ

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Re: With the 19th Pick, the Raptors select Ja'Kobe Walter! 

Post#1157 » by ConSarnit » Tue Dec 24, 2024 5:25 am

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Reeko wrote:Projecting forward, I don't see why our solution wouldn't be to have both Gradey and Ja'Kobe starting. Does IQ do anything other than maybe passing at a higher level than those two are projected to? I think they both have a lot of potential in terms of passing as well tbh. We'll see, maybe Quickley really has taken that next step to where you can conclusively say that he's our PG of the future but as of right now I'm not fully bought in on that idea.

IQ scores the above the break 3 better than a lot of guys in the NBA, he has issues getting up volume though. Until Gradey and Walter can get their three point shots in line they aren't overtaking IQ.

If it's just a matter of 3 point shooting then it's just a matter of time before they overtake him. It's not like IQ is some 40% 3 point shooter at this stage, he's a career 37.5% shooter from 3. Gradey's shooting 35.4% on the season and I assume that both he and Walter will both get significantly better as time goes on.


IQ is well above either of these guys as a 3pt shooter. He’s taking off the dribble 3’s (neither of Dick or JKW do this at all) and he’s also taking a high volume of above the break 3’s. Off the dribble ATB 3’s are the most difficult 3’s in the league and very few players can do it on volume.
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Re: With the 19th Pick, the Raptors select Ja'Kobe Walter! 

Post#1158 » by Harcore Fenton Mun » Tue Dec 24, 2024 5:28 am

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Thaddy wrote:IQ scores the above the break 3 better than a lot of guys in the NBA, he has issues getting up volume though. Until Gradey and Walter can get their three point shots in line they aren't overtaking IQ.

If it's just a matter of 3 point shooting then it's just a matter of time before they overtake him. It's not like IQ is some 40% 3 point shooter at this stage, he's a career 37.5% shooter from 3. Gradey's shooting 35.4% on the season and I assume that both he and Walter will both get significantly better as time goes on.


IQ is well above either of these guys as a 3pt shooter. He’s taking off the dribble 3’s (neither of Dick or JKW do this at all) and he’s also taking a high volume of above the break 3’s. Off the dribble ATB 3’s are the most difficult 3’s in the league and very few players can do it on volume.

With Dick and Walter playing more, IQ's shooting is less important. It mattered way more before they broke out this year.
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Re: With the 19th Pick, the Raptors select Ja'Kobe Walter! 

Post#1159 » by CazOnReal » Tue Dec 24, 2024 5:31 am

LoveMyRaps wrote:
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Psubs wrote:Love how he gets hyped up on making great offensive and defensive plays. Seem like his floor is Dejounte Murray that can shoot better?

Oh boy.. here we go..


His floor is an all-star and all-defensive player. :lol:

Have you seen Dejounte Murray this year mate?
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Post#1160 » by TNRaps4life » Tue Dec 24, 2024 6:15 am

Shwaguy wrote:
Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:Time to flip Gradley



Gradey is better. Especially in the long term. Much more upside.


Not more upside than Walter. Walter plays defense and has better ball handling skills

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