The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3

[49erhokie827]

Suns can stretch+waive Beal.
They can use $14m MLE to replace him in FA.
They can do the above while dropping out of the tax.


This seems like the best path if they can't land a guy like Lauri with Beal+10.

There's no one at MLE better than Beal, who was 17/4/4 type of player with good percentages. He is overpaid but better than any MLE Suns can sign.
The problem is too many SGs, but all 3 of them can play combo guard and Beal is OK as 6th man.

I made the same point about Beal. Okay, so you stretch him for 19m (if they can do that with the math) but you sign a guy for $10 - that is $29m -- and most likely, won't be better

So its not ideal of course to have Booker Beal and Green - but don't do something stupid with Beal and don't sell low on Green just to get a "CENTER" like Claxton. He is 23 with upside potential. I also think Brooks works with Booker

So trade Allen and trade O'Neale and work around the three guards for a year... see what happens

Now if you can trade Green for a player with the potential or some proven skillset - thats fine

But Green could be a pretty darn good player - -has amazing athletic ability. Don't give up on that. This is like a gap year for the Suns. See what you can do. Gerald B reported that his source say basically Brooks and Green bust it on the court - I want to see guys just bust it

Now Beal - the Bulls trade maybe attaching pick 29 - but not Carter, would need to be BAll

Will save you the trouble. There's an article out there that he can't be Waived and Stretched bc of a 15% threshold. He can still be waived or bought out but wont be stretched.

[Sunsdeuce]

Beal is likely on this team at the start of the year. Way too many hurdles to get Beal off the team. It’s easy to say Beal won’t be on this team at the start of the season when you have the brain power of a coconut (talking to you Gambo). But when you break down the hurdles of moving Beal, moving Beal becomes unrealistic. Buying him out takes two to tango. Can’t stretch his contract. And takes two to tango for a trade.

Moving Green is more realistic.

[Saberestar]

[Sunsdeuce]

Yeah that’s been out there since the trade happened. But reality will speak volumes.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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That's obviously a bit much to have tied up in one position! What are we trying to do here honestly.

[Saberestar]

Beal is likely on this team at the start of the year. Way too many hurdles to get Beal off the team. It’s easy to say Beal won’t be on this team at the start of the season when you have the brain power of a coconut (talking to you Gambo). But when you break down the hurdles of moving Beal, moving Beal becomes unrealistic. Buying him out takes two to tango. Can’t stretch his contract. And takes two to tango for a trade.

Moving Green is more realistic.

Beal is gone. The FO is working on trading him and if they can't they will agree on a buyout. It's a matter of time.

Those five 2nds from the KD' trade can be used to facilitate the trade. Gambo specifically mentioned that Charlotte is not an option.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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So the Suns focused on working with KD and took a really poor deal just to accommodate him over doing what's best for the franchise's future.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[BobbieL]

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That's obviously a bit much to have tied up in one position! What are we trying to do here honestly.

Yes, its a lot of money tied up at the 2 but as has been mentioned

1) cannot sell low on Green
2) don't do something stupid with Beal like attach a bunch of picks to move him. Sorry, 2nd round picks aren't getting it done.

The team is a 30 win team - on paper - maybe. So who REALLY cares if they have so much money at the 2G. Be smart
Dump O'Neale
dump Allen
I really want to keep Brooks

Use this year as a free pass year

And again, what player can you sign with the MLE that will be better than Beal - I get the Suns can't have five guards - but moving on from Allen and O'Neale will be needed

[Saberestar]

Barry Jackson:

Heat’s final offer for Kevin Durant…

• Andrew Wiggins
• Terry Rozier
• Jaime Jaquez Jr.
• Haywood Highsmith
• 20th overall pick

Jovic was deemed as “untouchable” along with Ware & no other future draft capital.

What a GARBAGE offer from the Heat.

They missed a big opportunity to be contenders in the East for the next couple of years.

[KdoubleDees23]

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That's obviously a bit much to have tied up in one position! What are we trying to do here honestly.

Dude - you think the SUNS are done. This is the first domino. Wait to see the next moves.

[BobbieL]

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So the Suns focused on working with KD and took a really poor deal just to accommodate him over doing what's best for the franchise's future.

This was the problem -- teams weren't going to offer a lot for a guy who didn't want to be there
So they were stuck with who they could trade him too
and unlike Ishbia with the Nets - the Rockets didn't cave

[BobbieL]

Barry Jackson:

Heat’s final offer for Kevin Durant…

• Andrew Wiggins
• Terry Rozier
• Jaime Jaquez Jr.
• Haywood Highsmith
• 20th overall pick

Jovic was deemed as “untouchable” along with Ware & no other future draft capital.

What a GARBAGE offer from the Heat.

They missed a big opportunity to be contenders in the East for the next couple of years.

After the Hali injury -- I thought, not to be snarky or anything - but Riley wasted an opportunity in the East if he include JOvic

[Ghost of Kleine]

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That's obviously a bit much to have tied up in one position! What are we trying to do here honestly.

Dude - you think the SUNS are done. This is the first domino. Wait to see the next moves.

Yeah, I understand that part. But their track record is absolutely terrible so far. And the idea knowing that not only do you have multiple holes to fill, and you absolutely understand that you need a starting center and starting point guard and post KD a starting power forward and you get absolutely none of those.

You go into this knowing that you have to hit on this trade because you have mo assets and KD is your biggest trade chip. And you completely come out on the losing end getting not a single box checked that was critical for the roster. And on top of that, you get smaller and quadruple down on an already ridiculously redundant position at SG.

Things you didn't get done:

- You didn't get a starting caliber center.
- You didn't get a starting caliber point guard.
- You didn't get a starting caliber power forward.
- you didn't get bigger positionally.
- You didn't get a jumbo defensive wing with size ( 6'8- 6'9) etc.
- You didn't get expirings or imminent cap flexibility.
- You didn't get literally any of the desired targets.
- You didn't even get Whitmore as a throw in when he's not even playing for the Rockets.
- You didn't take the best available offer (TOR).
- You didn't get any key impact players from Houston to at least equitably steal value back.
- You took their worst contract that they clearly were desperate to get off of and didn't even get more than one of your critical 1sts back as compensation for taking that contract.
- You created ridiculous positional redundancy by adding yet even more of a logjam at a singular position we're already overloaded at.
- You now tied up over $140 million to the SG position with multiple roster positional holes to fill!


Basically, The Suns got nothing that we desperately needed apart from maybe the 10th pick. They took back more money (aprox $570,000) didn't save any cap space for flexibility. They didn't address any positional needs, etc. And they took a really lousy offer that was really bad just to accommodate KD rather than prioritizing the critical needs for our tranchises' future. And I actually like Green!

This was our Suns front office in this trade outcome man:

[BobbieL]

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That's obviously a bit much to have tied up in one position! What are we trying to do here honestly.

Dude - you think the SUNS are done. This is the first domino. Wait to see the next moves.

Yeah, I understand that part. But their track record is absolutely terrible so far. And the idea knowing that not only do you have multiple holes to fill, and you absolutely understand that you need a starting center and starting point guard and post KD a starting power forward and you get absolutely none of those.

You go into this knowing that you have to hit on this trade because you have mo assets and KD is your biggest trade chip. And you completely come out on the losing end getting not a single box checked that was critical for the roster. And on top of that, you get smaller and quadruple down on an already ridiculously redundant position at SG.

Things you didn't get done:

- You didn't get a starting caliber center.
- You didn't get a starting caliber point guard.
- You didn't get a starting caliber power forward.
- you didn't get bigger positionally.
- You didn't get a jumbo defensive wing with size ( 6'8- 6'9) etc.
- You didn't get expirings or imminent cap flexibility.
- You didn't get literally any of the desired targets.
- You didn't even get Whitmore as a throw in when he's not even playing for the Rockets.
- You didn't take the best available offer (TOR).
- You didn't get any key impact players from Houston to at least equitably steal value back.
- You took their worst contract that they clearly were desperate to get off of and didn't even get more than one of your critical 1sts back as compensation for taking that contract.
- You created ridiculous positional redundancy by adding yet even more of a logjam at a singular position we're already overloaded at.
- You now tied up over $140 million to the SG position with multiple roster positional holes to fill!


Basically, The Suns got nothing that we desperately needed apart from maybe the 10th pick. They took back more money (aprox $570,000) didn't save any cap space for flexibility. They didn't address any positional needs, etc. And they took a really lousy offer that was really bad just to accommodate KD rather than prioritizing the critical needs for our tranchises' future. And I actually like Green!

This was our Suns front office in this trade outcome man:

We actually have no clue what the best offer was.

I highly doubt that Ujiri offered Barrett or IQ , Poeltl and the 9th pick for Durant
Granted, with the injury to Haliburton, maybe he should have

[Rebound Mound]

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That's obviously a bit much to have tied up in one position! What are we trying to do here honestly.

Dude - you think the SUNS are done. This is the first domino. Wait to see the next moves.

Yeah, I understand that part. But their track record is absolutely terrible so far. And the idea knowing that not only do you have multiple holes to fill, and you absolutely understand that you need a starting center and starting point guard and post KD a starting power forward and you get absolutely none of those.

You go into this knowing that you have to hit on this trade because you have mo assets and KD is your biggest trade chip. And you completely come out on the losing end getting not a single box checked that was critical for the roster. And on top of that, you get smaller and quadruple down on an already ridiculously redundant position at SG.

Things you didn't get done:

- You didn't get a starting caliber center.
- You didn't get a starting caliber point guard.
- You didn't get a starting caliber power forward.
- you didn't get bigger positionally.
- You didn't get a jumbo defensive wing with size ( 6'8- 6'9) etc.
- You didn't get expirings or imminent cap flexibility.
- You didn't get literally any of the desired targets.
- You didn't even get Whitmore as a throw in when he's not even playing for the Rockets.
- You didn't take the best available offer (TOR).
- You didn't get any key impact players from Houston to at least equitably steal value back.
- You took their worst contract that they clearly were desperate to get off of and didn't even get more than one of your critical 1sts back as compensation for taking that contract.
- You created ridiculous positional redundancy by adding yet even more of a logjam at a singular position we're already overloaded at.
- You now tied up over $140 million to the SG position with multiple roster positional holes to fill!


Basically, The Suns got nothing that we desperately needed apart from maybe the 10th pick. They took back more money (aprox $570,000) didn't save any cap space for flexibility. They didn't address any positional needs, etc. And they took a really lousy offer that was really bad just to accommodate KD rather than prioritizing the critical needs for our tranchises' future. And I actually like Green!

This was our Suns front office in this trade outcome man:

With your explanation, so correct, on point, right and cruel... ha ha ha... I just realized that we usually look at these people running a franchise with budgets of 200 millions and see that it is not that different of what we could have done.
I am not trying to initiate a debate or being superficial or sounding blatant... but I believe that anybody in this forum would have done more or less the same level of office performance that Ishbia and his boys have been carrying out... I mean, it would be difficult to have done worse than them.

At least, I believe most of us here :

- had never traded for Beal with his clause.
- had never traded KD to Houston just because he wanted to.
- had never hired either Vogel or BDH.
- had never accepted BDH to treat players like he did.
- had never had IT as a consultant (even as a friend).

[Ghost of Kleine]

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That's obviously a bit much to have tied up in one position! What are we trying to do here honestly.

Yes, its a lot of money tied up at the 2 but as has been mentioned

1) cannot sell low on Green
2) don't do something stupid with Beal like attach a bunch of picks to move him. Sorry, 2nd round picks aren't getting it done.

The team is a 30 win team - on paper - maybe. So who REALLY cares if they have so much money at the 2G. Be smart
Dump O'Neale
dump Allen
I really want to keep Brooks

Use this year as a free pass year

And again, what player can you sign with the MLE that will be better than Beal - I get the Suns can't have five guards - but moving on from Allen and O'Neale will be needed

Agree with everything you're saying man! And we've been on the same page about Beal even when others couldn't or refused to accept the reality of the situation.

But the one thing we shouldn't have done under any circumstances was further compound positional redundancy at the SG. I mean we had a better offer from Toronto that would've given us the 9th pick and a legit point guard and wing prospect.

But we chose the lowest value offer possible and are doing what exactly here? Featuring a team of something like 5-6 undersized shooting guards?? We couldn't find a trade with even one big?? Jumbo 3/4, power forward, center?

All this time waiting for the outcome and we couldn't expand it to address even one of our ithr4 million positional needs? Because the one position that we actually didn't have a need to fill and actually had an surplus and logjam at was shooting guard.

So logically we decided to add even more money to that position? Do they have any concept at all on roster balance/ construction? I understand that we're not done here. But this us absolutely not the way to start out on a critical franchise altering trade.

So far on trades, they're like 0-4 maybe even 0-5.

[BobbieL]

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That's obviously a bit much to have tied up in one position! What are we trying to do here honestly.

Yes, its a lot of money tied up at the 2 but as has been mentioned

1) cannot sell low on Green
2) don't do something stupid with Beal like attach a bunch of picks to move him. Sorry, 2nd round picks aren't getting it done.

The team is a 30 win team - on paper - maybe. So who REALLY cares if they have so much money at the 2G. Be smart
Dump O'Neale
dump Allen
I really want to keep Brooks

Use this year as a free pass year

And again, what player can you sign with the MLE that will be better than Beal - I get the Suns can't have five guards - but moving on from Allen and O'Neale will be needed

Agree with everything you're saying man! And we've been on the same page about Beal even when others couldn't or refused to accept the reality of the situation.

But the one thing we shouldn't have done under any circumstances was further compound positional redundancy at the SG. I mean we had a better offer from Toronto that would've given us the 9th pick and a legit point guard and wing prospect.

But we chose the lowest value offer possible and are doing what exactly here? Featuring a team of something like 5-6 undersized shooting guards?? We couldn't find a trade with even one big?? Jumbo 3/4, power forward, center?

All this time waiting for the outcome and we couldn't expand it to address even one of our ithr4 million positional needs? Because the one position that we actually didn't have a need to fill and actually had an surplus and logjam at was shooting guard.

So logically we decided to add even more money to that position? Do they have any concept at all on roster balance/ construction? I understand that we're not done here. But this us absolutely not the way to start out on a critical franchise altering trade.

So far on trades, they're like 0-4 maybe even 0-5.

If the Toronto offer were real of IQ, Poeltl and the 9th pick - I think the Suns should have taken that one
I just don't think it was real

And I get it - the Suns didn't do a lot of the things you mentioned. But they didn't have any leverage.

But I think the suns need to take a longer term approach. One step at a time. I think should be the mantra
Jalen Green - talented player. Lets see what he and Booker can do together. Because doing stuff to do stuff - -well look at where the Suns are. They need a longer term vision so if that means three shooting guards - so be it.

Better than selling low on Green just to get a 4 or 5 when you can get by with a vet minimum player.

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That's obviously a bit much to have tied up in one position! What are we trying to do here honestly.

Yes, its a lot of money tied up at the 2 but as has been mentioned

1) cannot sell low on Green
2) don't do something stupid with Beal like attach a bunch of picks to move him. Sorry, 2nd round picks aren't getting it done.

The team is a 30 win team - on paper - maybe. So who REALLY cares if they have so much money at the 2G. Be smart
Dump O'Neale
dump Allen
I really want to keep Brooks

Use this year as a free pass year

And again, what player can you sign with the MLE that will be better than Beal - I get the Suns can't have five guards - but moving on from Allen and O'Neale will be needed

Agree with everything you're saying man! And we've been on the same page about Beal even when others couldn't or refused to accept the reality of the situation.

But the one thing we shouldn't have done under any circumstances was further compound positional redundancy at the SG. I mean we had a better offer from Toronto that would've given us the 9th pick and a legit point guard and wing prospect.

But we chose the lowest value offer possible and are doing what exactly here? Featuring a team of something like 5-6 undersized shooting guards?? We couldn't find a trade with even one big?? Jumbo 3/4, power forward, center?

All this time waiting for the outcome and we couldn't expand it to address even one of our ithr4 million positional needs? Because the one position that we actually didn't have a need to fill and actually had an surplus and logjam at was shooting guard.

So logically we decided to add even more money to that position? Do they have any concept at all on roster balance/ construction? I understand that we're not done here. But this us absolutely not the way to start out on a critical franchise altering trade.

So far on trades, they're like 0-4 maybe even 0-5.

it looks like we chose the highest value out of all the lowball offers. Let’s be honest, KD didn’t help his value in multiple ways. Trade is done. Move forward.

[Calvin Klein]

Everybody taking advantage of the Suns. Durant, Beal, the Nets, Wizards, Utah, Portland, etc...all made Ishbia their bitch.