Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Pt X, Mods close)

[arkknight1988]

i can't believe how dumb that was to get rid of gortat. i would of loved to see a lopez gortat twin tower

[Rick Rolled]

SpearsNBAYahoo Marc J. Spears
Nets announce signing of guard Keith Bogans

Looks like Otis will have to look for instant offense elsewhere.

[Coach_McGuirk]

i can't believe how dumb that was to get rid of gortat. i would of loved to see a lopez gortat twin tower

Unless we get Nash as PG, I would probably throw up watching both of those guys on the floor.

[PeePee la Fritz]

Just thought I'd point out the fact that we are slowly chugging along to our 1000 page!!!

And to celebrate......A loss to the Washington Wizards YAY

[ADRajX]

Just thought I'd point out the fact that we are slowly chugging along to our 1000 page!!!

And to celebrate......A loss to the Washington Wizards YAY

I shed a tear in my eye

[Furinkazan]

Just thought I'd point out the fact that we are slowly chugging along to our 1000 page!!!

And to celebrate......A loss to the Washington Wizards YAY

whats hilarious...
1000 pages and
no trades yet

[PeePee la Fritz]

Just thought I'd point out the fact that we are slowly chugging along to our 1000 page!!!

And to celebrate......A loss to the Washington Wizards YAY

whats hilarious...
1000 pages and
no trades yet

But how many proposed trades/new starting rotations?.........10000000s!

[arsenal6106]

Just thought I'd point out the fact that we are slowly chugging along to our 1000 page!!!

And to celebrate......A loss to the Washington Wizards YAY

whats hilarious...
1000 pages and
no trades yet

Don't forget about the BBD trade in Part I.

[Furinkazan]

Just thought I'd point out the fact that we are slowly chugging along to our 1000 page!!!

And to celebrate......A loss to the Washington Wizards YAY

whats hilarious...
1000 pages and
no trades yet

Don't forget about the BBD trade in Part I.

aye....
Every day Im trying hard to forget that...

[PeePee la Fritz]

I just cannot believe it has come to this. With Dwight on the roster I am actually rooting for losses and a lottery pick. I can only hope that Orlando and New Jersey miss the playoffs and Houston barely slides in. The Magic then get to pair Lopez and Brooks with Perry Jones/Kidd-Gilchrist and a Jermey Lamb or Jared Sullinger and maybe a player like Kendall Marshall or John Henson. I would actually be excited for the next couple seasons with young guys like that along with a resigned Ryan Anderson.

[ADRajX]

I just cannot believe it has come to this. With Dwight on the roster I am actually rooting for losses and a lottery pick. I can only hope that Orlando and New Jersey miss the playoffs and Houston barely slides in. The Magic then get to pair Lopez and Brooks with Perry Jones/Kidd-Gilchrist and a Jermey Lamb or Jared Sullinger and maybe a player like Kendall Marshall or John Henson. I would actually be excited for the next couple seasons with young guys like that along with a resigned Ryan Anderson.

same here

[MagicFan41]

I was discussing this the other night with somebody who asked why we don't just go ahead and trade Dwight already...a few things to think about:

Essentially, Dwight has really hamstrung us in terms of what we could get back for him. Everyone basically knows NJ is his #1 choice by a mile. The real issue comes down to where he will agree to re-sign. From reports, it sounds as though the ONLY place he would 100% re-sign with is NJ. Dwight's people have evidently "warned" the Lakers that he may still opt-out in the summer to "explore free agency". This obviously diminishes what the Lakers would be willing to offer us for a potential rental (reduces chance of a Bynum+Pau trade and probably only amounts to Bynum alone). There have also been other reports about him wanting to play with Pau and trying to convince LA not to trade Pau to us in a deal. If this is true, eat my sack, Dwight. I may bring tomatoes to any game you return to at Amway so I can pelt you in the face with one. There have also been rumors of him being open to join the Bulls or Celtics or Clippers but then reports have come out saying that he has not approved those teams to be on "his list". He is trying to force his way to NJ, and NJ alone. Now here is where it gets tricky...

If LA is warned he may not re-sign with them, then they won't be willing to offer up much to get him. NJ knows this (Dwight is prob texting their management on a daily basis with his plan), and so NJ will then in turn not have to offer up as much to get him since they won't have to be battling with LA in the trade-war. NJ would MUCH rather keep all of their assets, including a great pick, and sign Dwight outright this summer (they may already have a guarantee from Dwight he will, who f-ing knows). So because this game is being played out, it's possible both LA and NJ may offer us too little for it to even make sense for us, meaning he walks for nothing, and NJ gets to keep all their assets. We may decide Bynum isn't enough to trade Dwight for alone, and decide to just let him walk (I think this would be stupid, but I've seen the Magic do stupid things). All of these NJ guys going down with mysterious foot injuries is a bit odd. It is Dwight, and Dwight ALONE though, that will basically determine what we can get back for him, if anything, in a trade. And he seems to be wanting to get us back as little as possible.

[MagicFan41]

I just cannot believe it has come to this. With Dwight on the roster I am actually rooting for losses and a lottery pick. I can only hope that Orlando and New Jersey miss the playoffs and Houston barely slides in. The Magic then get to pair Lopez and Brooks with Perry Jones/Kidd-Gilchrist and a Jermey Lamb or Jared Sullinger and maybe a player like Kendall Marshall or John Henson. I would actually be excited for the next couple seasons with young guys like that along with a resigned Ryan Anderson.

Read my last post on this thread. I'm still not convinced at all that NJ is willing to trade these guys for Dwight the way this whole thing is playing out. They saw what giving away the house for Melo did to NYK....and I'm pretty sure Dwight has given them some sort of assurance he is gonna sign there this summer no matter what happens. Why give up those pieces when you could potentially end up with a team of

Deron
Brooks
SJax
Lopez
Dwight

That's a pretty well-rounded, nasty lil team there...

Also, why does everyone assume they are going to throw in Brooks? In the original trade the rumor was it was to be Gerald Wallace, Lopez, and Petro + a pick, right? That's what I have found on Google.

[PeePee la Fritz]

I was discussing this the other night with somebody who asked why we don't just go ahead and trade Dwight already...a few things to think about:

Essentially, Dwight has really hamstrung us in terms of what we could get back for him. Everyone basically knows NJ is his #1 choice by a mile. The real issue comes down to where he will agree to re-sign. From reports, it sounds as though the ONLY place he would 100% re-sign with is NJ. Dwight's people have evidently "warned" the Lakers that he may still opt-out in the summer to "explore free agency". This obviously diminishes what the Lakers would be willing to offer us for a potential rental (reduces chance of a Bynum+Pau trade and probably only amounts to Bynum alone). There have also been other reports about him wanting to play with Pau and trying to convince LA not to trade Pau to us in a deal. If this is true, eat my sack, Dwight. I may bring tomatoes to any game you return to at Amway so I can pelt you in the face with one. There have also been rumors of him being open to join the Bulls or Celtics or Clippers but then reports have come out saying that he has not approved those teams to be on "his list". He is trying to force his way to NJ, and NJ alone. Now here is where it gets tricky...

If LA is warned he may not re-sign with them, then they won't be willing to offer up much to get him. NJ knows this (Dwight is prob texting their management on a daily basis with his plan), and so NJ will then in turn not have to offer up as much to get him since they won't have to be battling with LA in the trade-war. NJ would MUCH rather keep all of their assets, including a great pick, and sign Dwight outright this summer (they may already have a guarantee from Dwight he will, who f-ing knows). So because this game is being played out, it's possible both LA and NJ may offer us too little for it to even make sense for us, meaning he walks for nothing, and NJ gets to keep all their assets. We may decide Bynum isn't enough to trade Dwight for alone, and decide to just let him walk (I think this would be stupid, but I've seen the Magic do stupid things). All of these NJ guys going down with mysterious foot injuries is a bit odd. It is Dwight, and Dwight ALONE though, that will basically determine what we can get back for him, if anything, in a trade. And he seems to be wanting to get us back as little as possible.

That is the elephant in the room, but a guy can dream of 3 1st round picks and 2 talented young guys cant he?!?!

[MagicFan41]

I was discussing this the other night with somebody who asked why we don't just go ahead and trade Dwight already...a few things to think about:

Essentially, Dwight has really hamstrung us in terms of what we could get back for him. Everyone basically knows NJ is his #1 choice by a mile. The real issue comes down to where he will agree to re-sign. From reports, it sounds as though the ONLY place he would 100% re-sign with is NJ. Dwight's people have evidently "warned" the Lakers that he may still opt-out in the summer to "explore free agency". This obviously diminishes what the Lakers would be willing to offer us for a potential rental (reduces chance of a Bynum+Pau trade and probably only amounts to Bynum alone). There have also been other reports about him wanting to play with Pau and trying to convince LA not to trade Pau to us in a deal. If this is true, eat my sack, Dwight. I may bring tomatoes to any game you return to at Amway so I can pelt you in the face with one. There have also been rumors of him being open to join the Bulls or Celtics or Clippers but then reports have come out saying that he has not approved those teams to be on "his list". He is trying to force his way to NJ, and NJ alone. Now here is where it gets tricky...

If LA is warned he may not re-sign with them, then they won't be willing to offer up much to get him. NJ knows this (Dwight is prob texting their management on a daily basis with his plan), and so NJ will then in turn not have to offer up as much to get him since they won't have to be battling with LA in the trade-war. NJ would MUCH rather keep all of their assets, including a great pick, and sign Dwight outright this summer (they may already have a guarantee from Dwight he will, who f-ing knows). So because this game is being played out, it's possible both LA and NJ may offer us too little for it to even make sense for us, meaning he walks for nothing, and NJ gets to keep all their assets. We may decide Bynum isn't enough to trade Dwight for alone, and decide to just let him walk (I think this would be stupid, but I've seen the Magic do stupid things). All of these NJ guys going down with mysterious foot injuries is a bit odd. It is Dwight, and Dwight ALONE though, that will basically determine what we can get back for him, if anything, in a trade. And he seems to be wanting to get us back as little as possible.

That is the elephant in the room, but a guy can dream of 3 1st round picks and 2 talented young guys cant he?!?!

I think at the beginning of the season it was an option, I don't think (hopefully I'm wrong) NJ offers anywhere near that now. Perhaps with the injuries they might have to sweeten the pot a little but again, I'm about 60% convinced Dwight has told them already he is 95% signing there next year no matter what happens. That original deal had 3 1st round picks going to Portland for Wallace anyways, they were only offering us 1 I think.

[Blue_and_Whte]

If the nets refuse a trade then he'll be moved to the Lakers and the Nets are in danger of him re-upping with La instead of them. They wont risk that imo. They're idiots if they think their the only team willing to trade for Howard.

Matter of fact I'm willing to bet there will be teams willing to risk renting howard so to speak.

[ADRajX]

If the nets refuse a trade then he'll be moved to the Lakers and the Nets are in danger of him re-upping with La instead of them. They wont risk that imo. They're idiots if they think their the only team willing to trade for Howard.

Matter of fact I'm willing to bet there will be teams willing to risk renting howard so to speak.

Glad you brought that up.

The Golden State Warriors stated they would be willing to do that .
http://www.rantsports.com/courtcrusades ... ht-howard/

[MagicFan41]

If the nets refuse a trade then he'll be moved to the Lakers and the Nets are in danger of him re-upping with La instead of them. They wont risk that imo. They're idiots if they think their the only team willing to trade for Howard.

Matter of fact I'm willing to bet there will be teams willing to risk renting howard so to speak.

Everyone said that about Chris Paul (like Boston) until his people told them he def wouldn't sign there, which I'm sure Dwight's people will do. Then those teams claiming they would rent him backed off. I agree that OUR best option would then be to send him to LA, but if LA is warned he might not re-sign, which evidently they have been, they will only offer us Bynum, which will then reduce NJs offer if they know this. Our goal is to play both teams against each other (just like Denver did perfectly with NYK and NJ last trade deadline)....

but Dwight (at least according to reports) seems to be thwarting this jut about every way he can (saying he wants to play with Pau, saying he might not re-sign with LA, saying he will re-sign with NJ)...limiting his teams to basically LA and NJ...etc etc. And to be honest it's THIS that, if true, will be what I will be MOST pissed about at Dwight....and he won't live it down while he is in ear-shot of me at future games on another team.

[Blue_and_Whte]

If the nets refuse a trade then he'll be moved to the Lakers and the Nets are in danger of him re-upping with La instead of them. They wont risk that imo. They're idiots if they think their the only team willing to trade for Howard.

Matter of fact I'm willing to bet there will be teams willing to risk renting howard so to speak.

Everyone said that about Chris Paul (like Boston) until his people told them he def wouldn't sign there, which I'm sure Dwight's people will do. Then those teams claiming they would rent him backed off. I agree that OUR best option would then be to send him to LA, but if LA is warned he might not re-sign, which evidently they have been, they will only offer us Bynum, which will then reduce NJs offer if they know this. Our goal is to play both teams against each other (just like Denver did perfectly with NYK and NJ last trade deadline)....

but Dwight (at least according to reports) seems to be thwarting this jut about every way he can (saying he wants to play with Pau, saying he might not re-sign with LA, saying he will re-sign with NJ)...limiting his teams to basically LA and NJ...etc etc. And to be honest it's THIS that, if true, will be what I will be MOST pissed about at Dwight....and he won't live it down while he is in ear-shot of me at future games on another team.

Well we dont live in a vaccum, It could play out like but it could play out the way I described. Either way I dont think they risk that. Also, I hate the LA deal I'd go with the NJ trade. Bynum is just a poor mans version of Dwight imo.

although not as good defensively and on the boards Lopez can score in different ways and I'm willing to see if he lives up to his promise of getting more aggressive rebounding the ball. To me Bynum is just a less talented version of Dwight if we cant be successfull dumping the ball into Howard why would we be dumping it into Bynum? and his knees dude his knees scare me. Lopez all day imo

[ADRajX]

If the nets refuse a trade then he'll be moved to the Lakers and the Nets are in danger of him re-upping with La instead of them. They wont risk that imo. They're idiots if they think their the only team willing to trade for Howard.

Matter of fact I'm willing to bet there will be teams willing to risk renting howard so to speak.

Everyone said that about Chris Paul (like Boston) until his people told them he def wouldn't sign there, which I'm sure Dwight's people will do. Then those teams claiming they would rent him backed off. I agree that OUR best option would then be to send him to LA, but if LA is warned he might not re-sign, which evidently they have been, they will only offer us Bynum, which will then reduce NJs offer if they know this. Our goal is to play both teams against each other (just like Denver did perfectly with NYK and NJ last trade deadline)....

but Dwight (at least according to reports) seems to be thwarting this jut about every way he can (saying he wants to play with Pau, saying he might not re-sign with LA, saying he will re-sign with NJ)...limiting his teams to basically LA and NJ...etc etc. And to be honest it's THIS that, if true, will be what I will be MOST pissed about at Dwight....and he won't live it down while he is in ear-shot of me at future games on another team.

Well we dont live in a vaccum, It could play out like but it could play out the way I described. Either way I dont think they risk that. Also, I hate the LA deal I'd go with the NJ trade. Bynum is just a poor mans version of Dwight imo.

although not as good defensively and on the boards Lopez can score in different ways and I'm willing to see if he lives up to his promise of getting more aggressive rebounding the ball. To me Bynum is just a less talented version of Dwight if we cant be successfull dumping the ball into Howard why would we be dumping it into Bynum? and his knees dude his knees scare me. Lopez all day imo

I think Lopez can be better at defense and rebounding under SVG. Lopez was avg 9-10rpg before Humphries started grabbing a crap load the past couple of years out of nowhere.

He obviously can do better. He's already a great scoring Center as it is.

Nets' Lopez admits he was lazy rebounding last season - Fred Kerber (12/20/2011)
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/nets/lop ... zxQF9Xt2xM

In establishing himself as a legitimate force, Nets center Brook Lopez had 23 double-figure rebound games and 18 double-doubles as a rookie. In his second season, those numbers increased to 34 and 33 as he also averaged 8.6 rebounds. Then came last season.

Lopez suffered from a horrid case of reboundophobia. He had nine double-doubles, his first not coming until his 19th game of the season. He heard it from coach Avery Johnson and Nets fans. The sun rose in the East, set in the West and Lopez was panned for rebounds you could count on one hand. It wasn’t even the lack of rebounds as it was a lack of trying.

“The rebound attempts were low,” said Johnson, who believes Lopez can be a 20-point, 10-rebound guy with work and determination. “So this year, we’re watching him on film. If he gets the rebound, great. But, ‘Did you attempt to go for a rebound?’ ”

In the first preseason game, Lopez did just that. He made a “conscious effort” Saturday against the Knicks and snared 11 rebounds to go with 15 points and five blocks. If he put up those numbers last year, they would have renamed the arena in his honor. The 7-foot Lopez averaged 6.0 rebounds. Figure he should at least get his hat size. True, he was away from the basket displaying a solid touch, which led to a career-best 20.4 scoring average. And the theory career-year guy Kris Humphries was taking all available boards didn’t wash..."

Give him a coach like SVG who is a preacher for Defense (and get him out of the losing culture in NJ), and we'll see a huge change in his play in terms of rebounding and defense.