aramada wrote:thxfrthmmrs wrote:aramada wrote:
Beal is a 24 year old all star who has had to be in the shadow of Wall. He's good enough to be a number one option. Those are not cheap.
With a little bit of polishing, he can become a superstar and be a 1-2 punch with Lauri. Adding Dunn, you have a nice core for the next few years.
That option would prevent us from overpaying LaVine, who I doubt will ever be as good as Beal and will have to be hidden defensively for the rest of his career. Mahinmi is a bad contract but a clear upgrade at back up Center.
By my calculations, Bulls would also keep enough cap room for a max contract (and more) in the summer of 2019 with Lopez, Grant, Asik (-3MM), and Holiday coming off the books.
Are you related to Brad Beal? I am sure not even his mother thinks that highly of him. He averaged something like 22-4-5 in significant amount of games with Wall out this year, while the team had a so-so record. He's a nice 2nd or 3rd option, not someone worth both 6th, 12th pick along with Portis, Valentine.
I don't know Beal - met his brother who went to Loyola once, total dbag, but that's it - but it's fair to say that I value him more as an NBA player than you do.
It's kind of interesting that your first argument against him is his stats line, which not only got him an all-star selection, but also top 15 on the scoring list despite sharing the ball with Wall. He also improved on all aspects of his game since the previous year (TRB%, AST%, STL%, BLK% all went up) outside of a slight slump in shooting. That his team had a "so-so" (i.e. enough for playoffs) record can only partially be blamed on him - this is clearly Wall's team, even when he's injured.
You are right in saying that he is not a first option because it's not his role. But I guarantee you that his value is really high because if you put him in a situation to be a primary option, his production will go even higher (into top 10 in scoring) and even if he doesn't become a superstar, he will still be a multiple all-star guy. Just check out where SGs who grew into leaders, like Butler, Oladipo, or DeRozan, were when they were 24. Besides DeMar who had scarily similar stats, he's way ahead of these guys.
In this context, he is head and shoulder above any other piece involved in this deal. Val and Portis haven't proved they can be starters in this league + Portis is expiring. If you want to get a sense of the value of #6, just check out players that have been selected at that spot. In the past 40 years (starting on a good note with Bird in 1978), 8 players (20%) became all-stars, but only 3 of them (Bird, Antoine Walker, and B Roy) had more than one selection. Only Bird made it to HOF. Years of great historical drafts produced Melvin Turpin (1984), Chris Kaman (2003), and Danilo Gallinari (2008). Lastly, Washington is only getting #12 by combining our #22 with their #15, just to get another chance at talent. #22 could potentially be removed from the deal. The real controversial piece is how LaVine would need to be released as a result, which I can understand.
So your argument is his numbers could be better but they aren't because he was a #2 option behind Wall, however you conceded that he isn't a #1 option. It's easy to say that someone can pad their stats if they're put in a position as #1 option, i.e. Devin Booker, a Young Kevin Love, etc. And if Beal is your #1 option, your team just aren't that good. I personally think he's a really good #3 option on a contender, and #2 option on a good playoff team. Consider this, where would he rank in the ranks of Warriors, Rockets, even Wolves, Sixers, Thunder and Pelicans (healthy)?
Also mind you that he actually played 6 full seasons now. Players don't often break out after 6 seasons. Furthermore, his stats were actually better last season, when he played more games with Wall in the lineup. This season he got more playing time as #1 option but stats regressed, whether it's PER, RPM, ORTG and DRTG. I think it's safe to say he has peaked or neared his peak.
Also if you look at what we have gotten for Butler, a universally better player on a better contract, we swapped the 16th for 7th (in a weaker draft no less), got a older rookie coming off an awful 1st year, and a athletic guy coming off a torn ACL. But somehow you are willing to pay THAT much for Beal, and here's the real kicker, we still have to take on the dead weight of an awful contract in Mahinmi who makes Shrek's contract look like a steal. I would give a HARD PASS.
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